480p??? FOUR EIGHTY P???

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  • 08-02-2011, 08:25 PM
    Woochifer
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    Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible View Post
    This is the very reason why I keep LG televisions in the second tier. They like Vizio always finds a way to do things on the cheap, and then trumpet up the specs so it seems they are ahead of the first tier manufacturers.

    Yeah, the arms race playing out on the spec sheets has gotten ridiculous. LG does make some very good TVs, but they also release their fair share of turkeys. That's why I'd be cautious in this case, because I do not trust that "480 Hz" spec at all.

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    Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible
    I do not like the way the 240hz refresh rate looks with films. Because of the extra frame interpolation, grain on films is reduced to a point that it looks like video. While 240hz is great for 3D, it is not so good for film based material.

    I'm not a fan of motion interpolation at all. I see plenty of utility in 120 Hz, because it reduces judder by using 5:5 frame repeating instead of 2:3 pulldown. But, the motion interpolation (i.e., Motionflow, Motion Plus, et al) feature just bastardizes the picture and looks strange with all film-based/24 frame video sources.

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    Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible
    I totally agree with you on these two statements. I am also not sold on edge lit set as well. The unevenness it creates on screen is very noticeable on dark backgrounds.

    The whole edge lighting thing is another irritating way that manufacturers push inferior designs on an uninformed public. Anything and everything nowadays is touted as "LED TV" when 1) it's nothing more than backlighting; 2) LED edge-lighting is inferior to the sequential local dimming LEDs, yet marketed the same way. LED edge lighting improves the contrast compared to CCFLs, but also narrows the viewing angle. It allows for thinner TVs and might save a little energy, but that's the only real benefit.
  • 08-03-2011, 12:02 AM
    pixelthis
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Woochifer View Post
    Yeah, the arms race playing out on the spec sheets has gotten ridiculous. LG does make some very good TVs, but they also release their fair share of turkeys. That's why I'd be cautious in this case, because I do not trust that "480 Hz" spec at all.



    I'm not a fan of motion interpolation at all. I see plenty of utility in 120 Hz, because it reduces judder by using 5:5 frame repeating instead of 2:3 pulldown. But, the motion interpolation (i.e., Motionflow, Motion Plus, et al) feature just bastardizes the picture and looks strange with all film-based/24 frame video sources.



    The whole edge lighting thing is another irritating way that manufacturers push inferior designs on an uninformed public. Anything and everything nowadays is touted as "LED TV" when 1) it's nothing more than backlighting; 2) LED edge-lighting is inferior to the sequential local dimming LEDs, yet marketed the same way. LED edge lighting improves the contrast compared to CCFLs, but also narrows the viewing angle. It allows for thinner TVs and might save a little energy, but that's the only real benefit.

    and where did you get the idea that this set is "edge" lit"?
    ITS full array.
    YOU CAN DIS LG all you want, and I too am leery of anything
    above 120hz, preferring to watch real picture instead of
    computer chicanery, but I know from experience that LG does make a mighty fine TV.:1:
  • 08-03-2011, 12:06 AM
    pixelthis
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible View Post
    This is the very reason why I keep LG televisions in the second tier. They like Vizio always finds a way to do things on the cheap, and then trumpet up the specs so it seems they are ahead of the first tier manufacturers.



    I do not like the way the 240hz refresh rate looks with films. Because of the extra frame interpolation, grain on films is reduced to a point that it looks like video. While 240hz is great for 3D, it is not so good for film based material.



    I totally agree with you on these two statements. I am also not sold on edge lit set as well. The unevenness it creates on screen is very noticeable on dark backgrounds.


    I am sure that the engineers at LG are staying up late because of
    your "second tier" status, but being second tier yourself I guess you are more comfortable with it.
    AND HERE YOU GO RUNNING OFF at the mouth about "edge" lit tv, when I stated that the LG was full array, and now you've gone and confused your buddy WOOCH, which in all honesty
    is rather easy to do.:1:
  • 08-03-2011, 05:47 AM
    Sir Terrence the Terrible
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    Originally Posted by pixelthis View Post
    I am sure that the engineers at LG are staying up late because of
    your "second tier" status, but being second tier yourself I guess you are more comfortable with it.
    AND HERE YOU GO RUNNING OFF at the mouth about "edge" lit tv, when I stated that the LG was full array, and now you've gone and confused your buddy WOOCH, which in all honesty
    is rather easy to do.:1:

    The king of mediocre and low performance speaks again :rolleyes:
  • 08-03-2011, 01:02 PM
    pixelthis
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    Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible View Post
    The king of mediocre and low performance speaks again :rolleyes:


    So what do you have to say? NOT that it matters.:1:
  • 08-03-2011, 01:03 PM
    pixelthis
    FYI, LG has the lowest return rate and the highest customer
    satisfaction on the HSN website.:1:
  • 08-04-2011, 09:05 AM
    Woochifer
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by pixelthis View Post
    and where did you get the idea that this set is "edge" lit"?

    And where do you get the idea that I was talking about that particular set in my reply to T?

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    Originally Posted by pixelthis
    YOU CAN DIS LG all you want, and I too am leery of anything
    above 120hz, preferring to watch real picture instead of
    computer chicanery, but I know from experience that LG does make a mighty fine TV.:1:

    How am I dissing LG by stating the fact that they sold 120 Hz TVs that didn't allow for disabling the motion interpolation? Or the fact that they built 120 Hz TVs with strobing backlights, and sold them as "240 Hz"?