My week with the Samsung BD-P1000 Bluray player

[drseid]

Nice review your lordship. I would think that the uncompressed BR audio is CD quality. If that is so the last video machine that gave us this type of sound with movies was Laserdisc with their two channel digital soundtracks(I saw one dvd that supposedly had CD audio for sale which was THIS ISLAND EARTH a few years back). Now you are talking an additional 3.1 tracks here of rather powerful sound. I have read varying reports on both machines around the net. It should be interesting what you have to report on your test of the HD-DVD machine. From what I understand it has Dolby Digital Plus on some soundtracks but that DD+ can only be heard in all its glory thru the analog outputs of that machine. If you do not hook up the analog outputs, the D.D.+ goes thru a conversion to PCM and back into DTS which of course is outputed thru a coaxial or optical cable. By the time you test that machine, there could possibly be discs with 5.1 DD-HD althoug from what I have read, there is a two channel DD-HD track on THE PHANTOM OF THE OPERA.

The uncompressed PCM in the case of BRD is not quite CD quality, but does approach it. The DTS MA Lossless will be CD quality or better whenever it is released (I believe a title or two was recently announced for BRD). I believe it has the capability to go to 24 bit audio.

In the case of HD DVD, you can also output the DD+ from the HDMI out. I have only used it through the analog outs, and it sounds quite good... That said, the Toshiba now has the full 5.1 DD TrueHD Lossless cpabilities through firmware 2.0. I have only watched one disc with DD TrueHD 5.1 (Training Day), but the differences are quite large compared to regular DD (and even DD+). DD TrueHD is CD quality, BTW.

BTW: Phantom of the Opera is full 5.1 DD TrueHD Lossless, not 2.1. The Toshiba could only play the 2.1 channels orginally, until the firmware upgraded the units to 5.1 capability for the format.

---Dave

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

The uncompressed PCM in the case of BRD is not quite CD quality, but does approach it. The DTS MA Lossless will be CD quality or better whenever it is released (I believe a title or two was recently announced for BRD). I believe it has the capability to go to 24 bit audio.

This is incorrect. The uncompressed PCM tracks on blueray are 16bit and sampled at 48khz Redbood CD is 16/44.1khz. Since the DVD came to market all soundtracks are sampled at 48khz. So bluray's tracks at their minimum meet CD stardards easily, and have the capability to greatly exceed it.

In the case of HD DVD, you can also output the DD+ from the HDMI out. I have only used it through the analog outs, and it sounds quite good... That said, the Toshiba now has the full 5.1 DD TrueHD Lossless cpabilities through firmware 2.0. I have only watched one disc with DD TrueHD 5.1 (Training Day), but the differences are quite large compared to regular DD (and even DD+). DD TrueHD is CD quality, BTW.

DDTrueHD is encoded from uncompressed PCM tracks, the same uncompressed tracks that make up a bluray soundtrack. A codec cannot exceed the source in resolution.

[drseid]

This is incorrect. The uncompressed PCM tracks on blueray are 16bit and sampled at 48khz Redbood CD is 16/44.1khz. Since the DVD came to market all soundtracks are sampled at 48khz. So bluray's tracks at their minimum meet CD stardards easily, and have the capability to greatly exceed it.

I would do a little more digging on this one... ;-) I stand by my statement. Remember that it is not what the maximum capabilities are, it is what is being *used*.

DDTrueHD is encoded from uncompressed PCM tracks, the same uncompressed tracks that make up a bluray soundtrack. A codec cannot exceed the source in resolution.

The two are not the same in this case... The DDTrueHD track is indeed limited by the master (and also technically by the codec as well due to its bit level), but the uncompressed PCM used in Blu-ray is not up to the level of the orginal master... Close, as I orginally stated, but not quite there.

That said, BRD can use DDTrueHD and DTS MA lossless as well, so my belief is they will move away from the uncompressed PCM, and switch to these codecs like HD DVD in the near future. Their use of the uncompressed PCM is primarily due to the Samsung player on the market not having onboard decoders for either. Once players arrive that do, the uncompressed PCM becomes unnecessary for the most part.

---Dave

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

I would do a little more digging on this one... ;-) I stand by my statement. Remember that it is not what the maximum capabilities are, it is what is being *used*.

Actually I do not have to because it has already been mentioned by Sony that these tracks are sourced DIRECTLY from the original printmaster which was also mastered at 16/48khz.

The two are not the same in this case... The DDTrueHD track is indeed limited by the master (and also technically by the codec as well due to its bit level), but the uncompressed PCM used in Blu-ray is not up to the level of the orginal master... Close, as I orginally stated, but not quite there.

Sony would dispute your statement since they have already said that the uncompressed audio on their disc came directly from the printmaster that was mastered at 16/48khz. I work in this industry, and I know for a that most if not all soundtracks released on film were mastered at 16bits and are sampled at 48khz. On this issue you cannot BS me, I have been doing this way too long bro. Without direct access to the printmaster your comments are nothing more than uneducated speculation.

[drseid]

Actually I do not have to because it has already been mentioned by Sony that these tracks are sourced DIRECTLY from the original printmaster which was also mastered at 16/48khz.




Sony would dispute your statement since they have already said that the uncompressed audio on their disc came directly from the printmaster that was mastered at 16/48khz. I work in this industry, and I know for a that most if not all soundtracks released on film were mastered at 16bits and are sampled at 48khz. On this issue you cannot BS me, I have been doing this way too long bro. Without direct access to the printmaster your comments are nothing more than uneducated speculation.

Sorry... no BS... being sourced from a master, and utilizing the full quality of the master are two separate things. The audio is uncompressed, no one (including Sony) claimed it to be lossless and a clone of the source.

---Dave

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Sorry... no BS... being sourced from a master, and utilizing the full quality of the master are two separate things. The audio is uncompressed, no one (including Sony) claimed it to be lossless and a clone of the source.

---Dave

Dave,
Please sell this rot to stupid people. Uncompressed audio is lossless. No information is thrown away nor does it need to be encoded. It is copied not encoded from the printmaster. The only time you need to encode audio is when you are coding it to another format from PCM as they do with DD and Dts. Uncompressed audio is just what it is, UNCOMPRESSED!

Go to highdefdigest.com and have at the reviews. You can judge for yourself

Already been there, and to several other sources as well. Give me a break, you are beginning to sound like a AVSforum clone.

[drseid]

Dave,
Please sell this rot to stupid people. Uncompressed audio is lossless. No information is thrown away nor does it need to be encoded. It is copied not encoded from the printmaster. The only time you need to encode audio is when you are coding it to another format from PCM as they do with DD and Dts. Uncompressed audio is just what it is, UNCOMPRESSED!



Already been there, and to several other sources as well. Give me a break, you are beginning to sound like a AVSforum clone.

Sorry you feel that way Sir T... I do hang out at AVSforum quite a bit and like those guys a lot. I may sound like a clone as I share their views on many things. You, of course, are entitled to disagree and feel differently. I guess we will have to respectfully agree to disagree. :-)

Regards,

---Dave