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[QUOTE]Blasting a technology/method is not quite the same as blasting someone personally]Not a good point if you have to sidestep what you're trying to argue.
Just stating facts

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My orginal point was not intended to list every format that has been out, and will be out, it would of taken days to write.
So you just left out the lossless ones.
CUTE.


Your normal normal method of operation is to look for absolutely anything that anyone has missed in any post and have a go is it ? Rather than provide actual constructive
criticism
?

lEAVING out the advantages of something isnt "missing" something, its casting blame by ommision

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Of course the original points affect "Playback", stupid or not, people are still most capable of doing the above, no matter how much their love to store their precious]flac (or any other music) files onto their PC.
I'm not


So what ? Scratch on CD ? you can rule that as stupidity. Many CD players are still capable of playing CDs that have scratches on them. As if the CD players will
cheese-grate CDs. It's not even surface scratches which cause CD players to skip,
more than the dirt/grime on the disc. However it doesn't occur to some people to
keep their discs clean. It even states in some CD player manuals to advise the
owner to keep their discs clean, with even instructions on how to wipe them.
Doesnt matter how the scratches got there.
I used to play my CD's IN A CAR, no way to avoid some scratches

Troubleshooting sections raise some checkpoints to handle stupidity issues
I.e. No power on CD player.

1. Check that you have plugged in the player.
]2. Check that you have pressed the power button on the front panel to the on position.
DUH!
When does class start on how to flush a toilet?

Anyone who's at least half knowledgable with Windows know that Microsoft's largest group of software testers are "the end consumer". That's what patches and service
packs are for. The help file is althrough improving, but many errors give the
user the option to "send to Microsoft", which is as helpful as putting a bush fire out with]a can of petrol.
Never had any trouble with my XP

Just how is a Blue Screen of Death - Stupidity ? Just how in the world are you suppose to avoid every possible type of Blue Screen of Death occurance ? Your point is based that software and hardware on a PC will NEVER break down, or become damaged.
Never had" the blue screen of death", not once.
What kind of one lung computer are you using?
AND EVERYTHING IS BACKED UP, btw

blackraven raised a good point - Hard drive failure, as much care you can take, when those go, you risk losing much more, than some lousy scratches on 1 CD, where
only the songs on that CD are affected instead of the rest of your music collection.
THATS WHY YOU BACK STUFF UP

Kodak have released archival CDs and DVDs that claim files copied on there will last 300 years for CD, 100 for DVD. Certainly 99% longer than some other dodgy
brands. There are also many other formats and alturnatives to hard drive, many that
are more stable than hard drives.
SOUNDS GREAT FOR BACKUPS
And HD is bocoming more stable every year, and files are retreivable from a crashed drive

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You will get plenty of causes for pauses of reading music off PCs and/or streaming files off the net, or networked PC/Server. Pretty much some of those cause are
the ones I listed above.
NOT ANYMORE

Played FLAC off a USB drive, haha, USB. I'll leave that to you to figure it out for yourself how to fix that. And NO not by necessarily changing to CD instead
.

It was going to make space on a HD for my music files, but its working fine as a server itself.
With a 470mps of datarate it should be

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And taking at least reasonable care of your CDs, DVDs, anything on disc does NOT apply to someone with a brain ?
The best way to take care of them is to burn them to HD and store them, they make great backups.
I used to record my vinyl with a NAD cassette deck, save the records for listening sessions. Same thing

There's many ways to mistreat, and not take care to store discs in their cases etc.For many people who have a large CD collection, most would take at least some
reasonable care of their discs because they value the time/money they spent buying them
Should they encounter a disc which is unplayable on their player, that's 1 in 100, or 1000.
Even then, that doesn't mean that disc cannot play on another player.
There are even disc scratch repairers and cleaners.
Good luck with those


Your argument is justifying that disc players should be robust enough to play a disc regardless on how the discs themselves are mistreated by the user, that
the problem will always be the player, never the user.
Thats not my argument at all, it doesnt matter how the scratch got there,
its still a detriment to playback.
Ever piss off a woman who knows you're into audio?
FIRST thing they go for is the CD collection.
OF course thats better than the few that tried to kill me

That is the same as saying you should still be able to start your car and drive down to the shop regardless on how poor condition you've kept the engine.
Its going to break on you no matter how good you take care of it, and it doesnt matter if its your fault, you still wont get to the store


Whilst at the same time any flac setup will be more reliable and stable, and that if it doesn't work, it's "stupidity".
YOU GOT IT ACE.
AN alien once told CAPT Kirk that he had passed a test they had given him.
"well, what about my dead crew members" ? he asked
THEY told him that "flying around in space " wasnt for sissies"
Same with home audio, and especially HOME COMPUTERS

No matter how good you claim your flac files are, or any other file you can rip off a disc, no matter how technology progresses, there element of "stupidity" will always
be there. You can always count of computer illiterate people who make "stupidity"
mistakes than a CD player skip a section of 1 disc due to a bad scratches, and
dirt
.

I HAVE BEEN AROUND THIS STUFF since before you were a stain on your dads bathroom wall.
And I HAVE SEEN PEOPLE too "stupid" to use a CD player, much less a computer.
I cant be bothered by by such, like the ape in 2001 I am just going to take my new toys and enjoy them without worrying about the great unwashed.
They will suffer the fate they always have
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So you actually expect every CD player to actually play a totally "rotted" CD ?
They wont play it, doesnt matter what I "expect"

That's the same expectation from people whinge to their mechanic as to why their car has broken down. Then it is found that they never changed their oil and
filter
.

YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO CHANGE THOSE?

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Sorry, you cannot speak for everyone on this planet. Not everyone is going to throw away their precious CD, DVD, Vinyl, cassette collections just to buy an iPodish
flac player. Go ahead, to your backyard start a fire and throw your disc collections in.
NO, THEY WILL PUT THEM UP AT GARAGE SALES, trying to make a few bucks.
And why burn them? They make great backups
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You obviously never met a vinyl enthusiast. Try to convince them that their vinyl is worthless, here's a flac drive, use this, they'll send their dogs on you to rip that
precious little flac drive to pieces.
Guess I had better get down to the pet store, I DIDNT KNOW VINYL ENTHUSIAISTS
were required to have flac drive ripping to pieces dogs.
I have a nice vinly collection, a tad small, I lost a thousand in a flood, but do you
have pristine discs you bought new in 1974?
I thought not
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There will always be overlooked and least understood issues in home audio, regardles on what the issue is.
??? I need to hook you up with a guy named sir talky

Not everyone will be totally aware of every issue, technology in home audio.[ I'm sure a large proportion of home audio people find that their priority is mainly
listening pleasure.
Those people were hunted down and killed decades ago.
Nowadays the main priority is spending thousands on crap like power cords, cables,
and tube amps that can't perform as good as a radio out of a 1934 Sears catalog

How that is achieved due to equipment is one thing, as long as they have their means to listen to their music, where it sits on the shelf, or what sector in their
PC, doesn't matter to them.
Because they misplace it and forget they own it in about a week
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With the increasing proportion of overweight and obese people in the world, it would do them a favour if they got up and changed discs haha.
Now I know you're not an American
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CAN ? sometimes. Always ? definately not. Most of the highest quality CD players are single disc players as opposed to disc changers. Research the build on the top
end models you will notice they are heavier, better quality circuitary, and more circuitary
is used due to the more space available in the unit, which is not taken up by the rest
of the tray.
The most expensive players are single tray units.
But their specs arent any different than a five disc changer.
At least any you could discern unless you're a German shepard.
The circutry in higher end players is quite good.
The circutry in a five disc changer not as good, but you could A/B them and not be able to tell a difference

When was the last time you actually saw a 400+1 CD changer listed as the "best quality" CD playing in a year ? You probably better just keep on searching.
Not talking about those, tho I do use a 300 disc for storage of my favorite CD's.
Works well for that


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Dude where on earth do you think "how" those files get transfered to all those USB keys and drives ? TELEPATHY ??? No force of will !! that's it, no wait, you can buy a
USB drive that already has your entire music collection on the shelf.
Practically everything these days has a USB plug

PDAs, iPods, cellFONES all come with an installation CD, hmm I wonder what those are for, I'll play them on my CD player, because I expect my CD player to play Windows
You can toss em if you dont have a computer, you wont need them


You actually need a means to transfer the music onto the blank usb drive/key, orphone in the first place.
Not if you download it off of the web.

One needs software to be installed on a "PC", to "transfer" their files onto their USB drive, or phone. Yes you could just dial up your phone company and pay for each
song, I'm sure that is the cheapest option to get music onto your phone.
In Japan they access the web with their portable devices.
I CAN DO THE SAME WITH MY CELL


Oh that's it, nooo that's not necessary, I can do that via e-mail. Let's see do I need a PC for that ? Nooo I'll e-mail without using a PC, and even if I was able to do that, I'd have the
expectation that the rest of the world can use the same method also.
YOU CANT ACCESS YOUR EMAIL on your cell while walking down the street
(usually intro traffic)?
Now I know you're not an American
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Nope, you've missed quoted what I said.
Got nothing, dont even understand it

30 GB, 60 GB etc, will be nothing in 10 years time. 1 TB will be nothing in 20.
And a 650 mb form factor will still be around? Thanks for proving my point.
Still use a 2.5 mb floppy? Of course not, but they were quite usefull once

Good chance that space on a disc will be irrelavant in 20 years time, when there are technologies beyond drives.
that tech is already here, just expenisve

Watch Red vs Blue there's an episode on technology, they pretty much haveaddressed that topic well.
The only "red vs blue" we have here is red (republican) vs blue(democrat)
if you're getting advice from this show, delete it from your playlist

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Just because your town is having cd shops close down doesn't dictate the
music world economy.
I have NEVER seen anything like this, and its not just my town, its happening everywhere

There's a good reason why some close down, and that is competition. The larger shops attract customers to theirs because they can sell it cheaper. At the end
of the day customers like to pay less, it goes the same with supermarkets.
The larger market chains also have the power and money to bully the smaller shops
into closing down using legal/scare tactics.
COMPETITION is whats closing them down, competition from DOWNLOADS

You also forget the tens of 1000's of websites where you can buy CDs/DVDs, etc online. Many of them make good profits and sales. There are less overheads, so they
can afford to offer discounts.
AND MANY OFFER DOWNLOADS ALSO
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No it's your eyes that are shut, and praying that your little precious USB drives and flac players take over the world, and that CD dies tomorrow, don't hold your breath.
I actually hope CD surrives, its a great way to buy music and you ahve a backup when you burn it to flac.
But I am not hopefull.
THE NEXT RECCESSION will be a "gut ripper", CD sales will tank completely, people will be more concerned with other luxeries , LIKE FOOD.
And downloading will take over completely
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Shops can charge whatever they want. Same as supermarkets for groceries. Some shops will undercharge their items to bring in more customers, which is taking away
businesses from smaller shops, which can be a contributing factor to why they
are closing down (including your area).
Shops can only charge what people will pay, they dont teach capitalism where you live?



Yes downloads are increasing, but a lot of music is downloaded "illegally".

Which is totally irelevant to anything
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Dead depends on your definition, companies will still produce vinyl, because there are just too many vinyl owners. YOUNG as well as old. Many Dj's use vinyl, and they
are not baby boomers.
As a mass market medium vinyl is dead trust me on this


Much music come from digital masters, regardless on what format you are finally listening to, whether it is vinyl, CD, or flac. The fact that CD is transfered from a
digital Master, you convert your music from CD to flac, so in essence, it's a copy of a
copy.
Which doesnt matter for digital media.
The point is that turntable worshipers love vinyl because its "analog" , which it is,
but its analog from a digital source which kinda defeats the purpose
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It is more likely that every one of the audio review members will be dead way before the world stops making CDs.
they gonna have a nuclear war or something?



I love CDs also, I also have music on hard drives, I like both. I'd rather have both, if there is a problem with one, I have the other.
SAME HERE, and totally irrelevant to anything BTW

The asteroid will hit with many things eventually. With CD however people are just not going to throw away their players, and CD collections, they spent way too much
money for it. If you believe it is not worth having a CD collection because it's so much
more "convenient" having a flac server/player, then you might as well throw away
your flac servers/players because there are companies working right now to supercede
that technology.
No they wont "throw it away" they will sell it at yard sales, you're repeating yourself

The rate of technology increases, rise every year. We're all becoming dinosaurs sooner than we wish, I'd rather spend the remaining time I have on here enjoying listening to
music, than worrying about when a certain technology is going to be replaced.
Then why this rediculously long post on tech being replaced?



With the way the economy is going, and how greater job we know the government is at "fixing" the economy, there will always be a good proportion of people who
cannot afford to buy the latest technology all of the time, so there will always be
a low-end market.
LOW end market?
Crack hos', you're talkin about crack hos', right?

In addition since you've been around the block a few times, if you owned a crt tv in the past you would know it lasted a lot longer than the newer screens now.
Just like a new car, there are more electronic parts, more things can go wrong.
However the sad part about these tv screen making companies is that they can
make their product a lot better, with better parts, and make their screens last
longer. They choose not to do that because they want to make money. They'd
see no sense in building tvs that would last 20 years. If they really wanted to do
that, they'd have to charge a ridicious price to the consumer, which the majority
just won't pay.
SO I just wasted a ton of time arguing with someone who doesnt know what hes talking about, but it aint the first time.

A well designed CRT will last, if your lucky , four to ten years, if you're lucky.
A LCD has a lifespan of twenty years, and thats because of the backlight, replace
that and it will go another twenty.
Solid state is always more trouble free than tubes, there are no moving parts on a MODERN tv, they are made from glass(silicon) literally.
The munber of "parts" in electronics is of no matter, your proc on your computer has MILLIONS of transistors, none of them EVER BREAK.


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A change to stop making CDs, overnight, and for shops to stop selling them ?OVERNIGHT ? No, no one is going to believe that.
no, AND YOU CANT DROP AN OFFICE BUILDING IN A FEW HOURS either.
Or have the Berlin wall come down..
When CD came out records disapeared OVERNIGHT.
When DVD came out LASER disapeared OVERNIGHT.
And when lcd got to a 600 buck price point for a 32in, CRT disapeared as a main display OVERNIGHT.
As a matter of fact most things in human affairs happen OVERNIGHT

There's no one sole company that decides the fate of the CD format, because there are too many companies.
no sole company decides ANYTHING, the market decides what is viable and whats not.
And if the market decides CD is dead, IT WILL BE DEAD.
Simple as that