Why I'm a bad audiophile

[Florian]

Thanks for yet unother factless, pointless and idiot post Kex...it only further depends the opinion and the lack of respect of your knowledge we have on this forum about you. Yes i mention we, i am not alone. And while you at it, we can add Wooch. who copies and pastes articles.

-Flo

[Florian]

To emorphien and Kai,

did it upset you that i said that BOSE, Paradigm and B&W all sound the same to me?
If so, then i am sorry. But to me they are the same when it comes to box resonances, different drivers (which reminds of the idiotic post from Kex because even if they behave differently at frequency varioations then its still better to use the same material instead of using many different ones which add another layer of BS), time alignmet porblems, small radiation size and high mass.

:-)

Nothing snobbish about it, i would take the 550$ Maggie over any B&W, Paradigm or BOSE.

PS: You will soon see Wooch jump in, then maybe Topspeed and maybe RGA....after all Kex. is here too. Just wait a bit, you will see what i speak of. (the ANTI-Quality police and the ANTI-DIfferent-Than-A-BOX-Police)

[kexodusc]

Is that the best you can do?

You accused me of making specific statements. I called you out on it. Here's your chance to really put me in my place and get the last laugh. Provide some evidence to support your assertions.

If you cannot, I kindly ask you to remove my name from your accusations.

[Florian]

Is that the best you can do?

You accused me of making specific statements. I called you out on it. Here's your chance to really put me in my place and get the last laugh. Provide some evidence to support your assertions.

If you cannot, I kindly ask you to remove my name from your accusations.

On second thought, your not worth my time. You have neither the knowledge nor anything to prove me wrong. I will follow the other members advice and simple ignore you just like i do with Wooch....and what i write stays.

[kexodusc]

On second thought, your not worth my time. You have neither the knowledge nor anything to prove me wrong. I will follow the other members advice and simple ignore you just like i do with Wooch....and what i write stays.

Well, when you and your other members are ready to come out of the closet and validate your claims, you might earn some credibility. Thanks for answering Flo.

[emorphien]

To emorphien and Kai,

did it upset you that i said that BOSE, Paradigm and B&W all sound the same to me?
If so, then i am sorry. But to me they are the same when it comes to box resonances, different drivers (which reminds of the idiotic post from Kex because even if they behave differently at frequency varioations then its still better to use the same material instead of using many different ones which add another layer of BS), time alignmet porblems, small radiation size and high mass.

Not at all, you can include Bose if you want. It just makes you sound more arrogant to include Bose in any list of respectable (but perhaps mass market or boxy) speakers.

The main thing is if you state all those box speakers sound the same, you're oversimplifying and simply speaking down to everyone who has "box" speakers and being simply disrespectful. You can say they all have some of the same limitations, but paradigms, B&Ws, Axioms, AV123 (another ID but I know little about them) all have some distinctly audible differences between them. The way you talk, and your wording makes it sound like either they're all trash and sound like tinny walky talkies or you don't know what you're talking about and don't have an ear to appreciate the differences between them.

Which brings me full circle to what I've said before, perhaps that's not your message and perhaps you aren't bragging when you volunteer information about how much you like to spend on things, but you sure could find some better ways to communicate it.

[Florian]

Not at all, you can include Bose if you want. It just makes you sound more arrogant to include Bose in any list of respectable (but perhaps mass market or boxy) speakers.

The main thing is if you state all those box speakers sound the same, you're oversimplifying and simply speaking down to everyone who has "box" speakers and being simply disrespectful. You can say they all have some of the same limitations, but paradigms, B&Ws, Axioms, AV123 (another ID but I know little about them) all have some distinctly audible differences between them. The way you talk, and your wording makes it sound like either they're all trash and sound like tinny walky talkies or you don't know what you're talking about and don't have an ear to appreciate the differences between them.

Which brings me full circle to what I've said before, perhaps that's not your message and perhaps you aren't bragging when you volunteer information about how much you like to spend on things, but you sure could find some better ways to communicate it.

Well it must be a language barrier. This is not my main language, and i am a direct person. I know that a Paradigm Ref. 40 will blow any BOSE to pieces, and that the for a commercial company the B&Ws are great speakers. I can easily hear the differences and i can apreciate those systems. They are not what i like and i could not live with them. But they are good systems nonetheless in their respected classes.

Here are boxes that I like and that I can recommend have recommended before many times

*I will only name Companys

Avalon
Kharma
Thiel
Genesis
Alon
Dali
Naim
Ayon
Avantgarde
Duntech
Rega
Tannoy
Isis
TEAC
TDL

[Florian]

"Electreostatic" that Wooch considered was the Magnepan 1.6

And this is the problem my friend. Yes i did read your post and i can agree and see the problems i have made BUT, this is the problem. Maggies are not ELECTROSTATICS....they are nowhere near one in terms of technology. I DO NOT understand nor can i respect your helpfull guidence (when it comes to planars) if you cannot difference between them.

-Florian

PS: I dont comment on Dolby Surround or Home Theaters. I only comment on planar systems because that is what i know. If you would simply only talk about what you know, we wouldn have this problem.

[Woochifer]

And this is the problem my friend. Yes i did read your post and i can agree and see the problems i have made BUT, this is the problem. Maggies are not ELECTROSTATICS....they are nowhere near one in terms of technology. I DO NOT understand nor can i respect your helpfull guidence (when it comes to planars) if you cannot difference between them.

I thought you weren't reading my posts! How disappointing that you can't follow through on what you say you'll do yet again (y'know like the last two times that you said you were leaving the board cuz we were all such ignoramuses?). Seems that you feign ignorance just so that you can just keep repeating the falsehoods that I call you out on.

Since I seem to have reclaimed your attention (the degree to which you invoke my name in your posts indicates a rather unhealthy obsession with me, even if you claim to ignore me), why don't you tell me where I have ever equated a Paradigm Studio 40 with a "big Electreostatic"? Please keep in mind that there's no such thing as an "Electreostatic" speaker, and I intentionally carried over your misspelling repeatedly to make that point. If you're referring to "Electrostatic" then indeed I misspoke. (See? If I make a mistake or misspeak, I will actually admit it. Maybe you should try that for a change)

But, if you're limiting the discussion to "big Electrostatics" then that just further diminishes the truthfulness of your original statement, since I never "chose" the Studio 40 over any of them. Time to put up or shut up. You fling an awful lot of accusations around, with nothing to support them. And you wonder why you get called out as often as you do.

PS: I dont comment on Dolby Surround or Home Theaters.

You sure about that?

Old Equipment-New Technology
Minimum Requirement
RGA vs Lexmark -- was: Worst Sequel of all Time

[Florian]

Strong words!

I speak of the comment made by you where you stated the lack of dynamics compared to your choice (Paradigms in your gallery) which were as i recall the Innersound ESL's. You cannot call me out on spelling to cover your lack of knowledge on the subject. Remember when i called you upon your generalisation of "planars" ?

The members who are interested in this battle (properbly not many) are more then welcome to seek through your countless numbers of Paradigm recommendations to find the exact statement which i have a problem with. They will find your statement about the limitations of the Apogee Fullrange too which are none-existant.

I will say it one last time and one time only. Stay on your own grounds!

I am not acusing you of anything, i am stating my opinion which i believe and are therefore facts for me. I read this one thread of yours since i hoped that you had learned, but apperently not. I had hoped that i can bring this forum and some of its members to great musical realms. I have achieved that with a few people, but you can take the rest and keep recommending the same speakers over and over again while picking my statements apart together with the rest of the audioreview clic

[PAT.P]

Thanks for yet unother factless, pointless and idiot post Kex...it only further depends the opinion and the lack of respect of your knowledge we have on this forum about you. Yes i mention we, i am not alone. And while you at it, we can add Wooch. who copies and pastes articles.

-Flo

Flo if your speakers are so great ,why are you putting a $3500 on a crossover.Is this changing the spec of the original.

[Florian]

Flo if your speakers are so great ,why are you putting a $3500 on a crossover.Is this changing the spec of the original.

Because my goal is not the price, but to further improve something. Apogee saved too, even on a system like that. Genesis saves money, so does Jadis. I tweak where i can. Besides, the "IF" is not needed in your question. ;-)

[PAT.P]

Because my goal is not the price, but to further improve something. Apogee saved too, even on a system like that. Genesis saves money, so does Jadis. I tweak where i can. Besides, the "IF" is not needed in your question. ;-)

So their really not the "HOLLY GRAIL" after all .

[GMichael]

Mike walks in to say hi to everyone. He sees all the objects flying around the room crashing onto the walls. Gives the water cooler a push and walks out.

[Florian]

So their really not the "HOLLY GRAIL" after all .

Why dont you visit me?

[Florian]

Hey Kex...we are not in the closet. Did you see that the people with lots of dedication, time and money invested dont talk with you and Wooch?

[Feanor]

Settle down, Flo. And be polite if not respectful.

If we're not good enough for you, why not frequent AA? There are people there who will put you in your place quick enough.

[hifitommy]

vinyl is one of the least expensive things you can do to improve your musical enjoyment, especially if you live in a large metro area. here is a list of a recent stop at record surplus in W.LA:


renee rosnes (piano) w/the danish radio big band cd $5
ray brown-walk on-2cd set, his final trio recordings-$14
nat geo dvd-into the great pyramid-$8

all the rest $1 per disc:

artie shaw-moonglow (didn't have ANY artie.
ellington-new mood indigo
ellington-the intimate...on pablo
best of art tatum-pablo
soul flutes-trust in me-cti-great personnel list-hancocj,gale,carter,g tate,r barretto,etc
mjq-under the jasmin tree
paul horn-inside II
paul horn-inside the great pyramid (promo, xlnt shape,incl booklet)
paul horn-monday,Monday
donald harrison/errence blanchard-black pearl
by goerge-goe cables plays gershwin
pablo live montreaux 77-ray bryant
LA four-scores
cal tjader-breathe easy
bobby mc ferrin blue note EP

at the moment, 12:55am on sun, 4/2, i am listening to the ray brown cd set on my system:

http://cgi.audioasylum.com/systems/588.html

a mix of tubes and ss. the soundcraftsmen/bellari is active now but the rbcd playing on the sacdp is just fine sounding at present. the arc will go into service again soon. is see that you also have sace capability which parallels vinyl sound without the accompanying vinyl artifacts.

my point is that one doesnt need to use vinyl to validate audiophile status, which may not be an appellation anyway. being a music lover is what it takes. i dont care which format the music is in if its music that stimulates me. i HAVE had vinyl playback remind me that the right playback of the music can affect its enjoyment though. e.g.:
kraftwerk's autobahn on my former tt-vpi hwIII/sme IV/sumiko talisman vdh. i had never been taken with that music until then. i suppose i should try it with my sota/mmt/fr setup for comparison's sake.

as for the tubes, i wasnt prepared for the difference provided by the arc and how UNtube sounding it is. dynamics, freq extension, and tonal accuracy all floored me. had i not known it was tubes, i wouldnt have believed it.

you have invested in some nice equipment, whether that classifies you as an audiophile or music lover is up to debate. i think youre a music lover that realizes it takes good equipment to bring it home.

[Feanor]

vinyl is one of the least expensive things you can do to improve your musical enjoyment, especially if you live in a large metro area. ....

hifi, I appreciate what you're say about vinyl, and I especially appreciate that you make you suggestion from a music loving rather than a audiophile point of view.

The smaller city where I live doesn't provide much choice of used vinyl, especially not classical or jazz, unfortunately. That's on the one hand; on the other, I would need to upgrade my vinyl playback set up, and, frankly, I'd rather use the budget on other equipment upgrades or else silver dics.

[bobsticks]

, frankly, I'd rather use the budget on other equipment upgrades or else silver dics.

This was just an unfortunate typo, right?

[hifitommy]

that large amounts of money must be spent to equal rbcd playback. sacd maybe but not rbcd. the $500 range would more than be adequate to expose the superiority of vinyl sound. still the non availability of vinyl in your area might be a bit of an impediment.

records by mail can be a decent source for some reasonable pricing, and trips into such cities ans nyc and LA can yield great rewards. its a choice that only you can make.

http://www.recordsbymail.com/

well, if you ever come to LA, let me know and i can give you a list of stores that will keep you busy the entire time youre here.

[Feanor]

that large amounts of money must be spent to equal rbcd playback. sacd maybe but not rbcd. the $500 range would more than be adequate to expose the superiority of vinyl sound. still the non availability of vinyl in your area might be a bit of an impediment.

records by mail can be a decent source for some reasonable pricing, and trips into such cities ans nyc and LA can yield great rewards. its a choice that only you can make.

http://www.recordsbymail.com/

well, if you ever come to LA, let me know and i can give you a list of stores that will keep you busy the entire time youre here.

I'll check out that link and get that list if I'm headed to the LA area.