Quote Originally Posted by Groundbeef
Not really. You seemed to be suggesting that people are ONLY going to D/L media when its 1080p and lossless. Clearly that is not the case. People are d/l lots of media at substancially lower quality, and doing it with gusto.
Read this carefully. I am not saying that people are going to downloads when it is 1080p. I am saying the people who prefer to download are not interested in quality, they are interested in covinence. Those who are looking for quality will not look to downloads.

No, but the PS3 drive can easily be pulled from the physical unit, and then attached to a PC via cables. An XBOX 360 Hard Drive would have to be physically broken out of the unit, then attached to a computer, making it unable to be-used in the 360. Pretty expensive way to access a $4.00 movie by destroying your $100 Hard Drive.
So what is your point? Regardless of the fact that the PS3 drive can be removed, without the necessary HDCP hookup it is essentially useless. Even if you cannot remove the xbox's hard drive it does not appear the xbox is more safe than the PS3 against piracy.

Your 1st article was written in July 26, 2006. There have been 3 major updates, and numerous minor updates. If you have no more current info on the topic, I would suggest that particular problem has been solved. If you notice, the article also stated that when units had re-established contact w/live the issue was fixed via an automatic update. This is not a "casual" break, nor something an everyday user is going to do to their console. Don't suggest it is.
And you think that just because the article was written that things have changed? From what I have gotten reading some gaming boards, when they solder the motherboard for the hack, microsoft cannot touch them. They continue to play bootlegs. It really does not matter if its the everyday user doing it, or a bunch of game geeks, it does not futher you point that the PS3 is less secure than the xbox. The links prove that.

Your 2nd article concerns cheating in "games" to boost GamerScores. Clearly you are unfamiliar as to what a GamerScore is, and what it's about. Completely unrelated to downloaded material, only related to playing games and getting "achievments". Stick to topics you understand, as gaming is clearly not your forte'. Blu-Ray, sure, Games? Not so much.
You were talking about security. I gave two example of security problems concerning the xbox. I do not care what a gamerscore is, it is irrelevant. We were talking about security. Stay with your own comments and stop spinning this with irrelevant information.

Your 3rd article is from 2005. 2005, and it dealt with THE ORIGINAL XBOX. Thats not even a valid console anymore. Games haven't been made for it in 2 years. GET A CLUE.
Why don't you write about Atari 2600 emulators next, and really show off your game knowledge.
I have already told you a dozen times I am not interested in games. This all points to security. So the only thing that changes this is the xbox has not been secure for ages.




Depends upon what you are looking for. I don't have the money you most likely do. So I watch a HD D/L to decide if its a movie I would like for my collection. Is it 100% of the physical disc? No, of course not, but it sure does tell me if I like it. I can't afford the luxury of just buying every movie that comes out. To me, and apparently plenty of others, HD d/l is an excellent compromise before shelling out the bucks to buy the media.
Others have chosen netflicks and blockbuster rather than compromised their experience with a low quality downloads (remember I have seen them). I understand that you have your way of doing things, and others have their way.


In your original comment you were suggesting the studios are deathly afraid of people d/l product because they are only looking to do it for free. I'm suggesting thats not the case. Plenty of folks are willing to pay for it.
Actually that was nightfliers comment. I made no such comment that the studios were deathly afraid of downloads. I said that the studio executives have come out againist Bill Gates vision of the future of HD. Disc based media(DVD and HD media on disc) is a 6 billion dollar industry. NDP projects that downloading will be $200 million in 2008. Do you really think the studio will trade 6 bil for 200 mil?

What the studios do not like is P2P trading of movie files. That is piracy no matter how you slice it.



I just wanted to be clear on your point. The way it was written, I thought you meant you were paying $120/month for internet. That's like T3 pricing. Again, not suggesting its the same content on the physical disc. People know that, but its renting/selling like hotcakes. More folks enjoy the convience/cost factor of living room HD D/L than you are willing to admit.
Actually you are overstating your point. Downloads are a 200 million dollar business. VOD is estimated at 300 million for 2006 the same as it was in 2005. Once again the disc based media was 6 billion in 2006. I think most know that HD downloads which are only 720p heavily compressed video with heavily compressed audio is just a little better than regular DVD. I since I now know that ratio of DVD sales vs downloading, it is clear that each is serving very different people. Keep in mind, Comcast is getting sued for slowing down major downloaders. Internet providers are very aware that it just takes a few consistant downloaders to clog up a system, and they are working to slow them down.



No, your wrong. Take some business/marketing classes. Of course there is an EXPECTATION of ROI, but there isn't a direct $ to $ correlation between the two.
I never said there was a direct dollar to dollar correlation. I said there was a reasonable expectation of a return on investment. That is very different.



There are so many other variables that affect a consumer that it is impossible to equate an ad running, and the ultimate purchase decision. Thats not to say there are not great advertsing campaigns, or bad campaigns, but in the end, the advertisment is just another vehicle for promoting your product. It doesn't "MAKE" consumers buy anything.
Please find the word MAKE in any of my post. Businesses are not going to throw there money at something just to get an effect. They expect some result. If they advertise through radio and that does not help grow their business, they are not going back to radio. The same goes for television. Product placement is better suited to getting your brand noticed or raising brand awareness overall.




You were suggesting some theories about TV and how many times shows are watched. Advertisers are interested, as well as studios about how DVR/TiVO has/is changing the market. So I was telling you how Neilson is addressing this need.
Okay....




So I guess you don't know either? I can't disprove a negative. If you want to call people liars, thats on you. I am just talking about what I hear away from this board. And the talk is that the contract has lapsed, and hasn't been renewed. Maybe they are holding out, who knows. I wasn't at your little party, but it doesn't sound like I missed much.
Well since the party was not a HD DVD party, you did not miss much, and were not missed as well. Be careful about spreading FUD. If you cannot verify it, then you should not spread it. Nobody knows contract information except executives at the highest level. The BDA absolutely forbids any public discussion of contract talks. That is in the contract itself. You do not know ANYTHING regarding contract talks, who signed what and when. So there is no need to spread unsubstantiated rumors.

I never said I knew, I said NOBODY knows rather clearly. Save the rumors for the National Inquirer and The Globe.