Hi-Res Audio Formats on BR & HDDVD

[Groundbeef]

Did you not say that the XBOX was more secure than the PS3?. That is how piracy was introduced to this conversation meathead. Modders do not care about XBOX live when they can play bootleg movies and games aquired through other sources. When you want to make a statement, be sure that nobody can counter it. Okay? I would hardly call $200 million spread between Apple, XBOX live, and cable booming. 4 billion dollars in a year for a brand new technology would be better described as booming. .

And I'm sure that it's going to be $200 million forever. In 5 years, lets revisit this topic. By then BR/HD-DVD will be an afterthought, and D/L will be on top.

If you are waiting to debate as you state, then why have you gone back to personalities as opposed to the issue at hand? When people lie constantly as you have, then they are liars. There is no other way to characterize it. When a person is ready to debate, they do not lie. .

You started with the liar comments dumb ass. Just waiting for you to actually debate, instead of trying to come up with witty coments about my Avatar. But since you actually don't have anything realistic or on topic to add, I'll wait for your next meat reference.

Your head is as hard as a brick. I already stated I didn't care about consoles. Why don't you get this?.

Then perhaps you ought to stop commenting about them. Your lack of knowledge and intellegence are showing.

But you said yourself that the XBOX was more secure than the PS3. The difference between the XBOX hack and the PS3 hack is hardware versus software. The software issue can be eleviated through a firmware, unlike the XBOX, which can be . All Sony has to do is include the firmware on the very disc of the next game, and its game over. If the game is spread and picked up, without the proper protocol, the game won't play. XBOX has no such work around. All someone has to do is not log on to XBOX live, and their player can play hacked games and movies forever. .

No, I think I was referencing the fact that its easier to pull the HD out of the PS3 (it is). It wouldn't be that difficult to then attach the HD to a computer. A little emulation and it can access the info. On the 360, you need to modify the motherboard. It is different.

For the PS3, there are A LOT of Linux applications that are doing the same thing that motherboard "mods" are doing to the 360. But you wouldn't know that because you don't care. So stop acting like your the definative source on console info. Because your not.

And please explain the last comment on your quote? How is a modded 360 going to play hacked movies? Without the latest "Key" the movies don't play. Get on live to get a key, and your system is "bricked". Seems like a waste to kill your system for a $4.00 d/l. But again your ignorance gets in the way of your inability to shut up when your behind.

I guess if you were a little diaper wearing child, I would be a old man. Nobody would consider me a old man if they were out of their teens. I can only ascertain that you are a little diaper wearing child by your reference to me as an old man. .

No, your total lack of grip of reality can only lead one to belive that you are in advanced stages of dementia. So, you might be young in years, but your mental ability can only be described as "ancient".

Your attempts to twist this are rebuffed. You cannot use the word FLOCK unless you were describing someone falling all over each other to get to something. The very fact that not ALL studios support XBOX short circuits this whole flocking to live bull crap. The fact that the studios are selective in what they are releasing to live shows a much more measured approach than your word FLOCKING would imply. Inflammatory word usage is for marketing people, and people who spin the facts. Disney offering televsion programming, and a few movies is no big deal. If they were releasing their premium stuff, that a big deal. Overstating a point shows the weakness of that point. Careful scrutiny shows its not point at all. All studio are looking for other distribution outlets. Live is just another one. When they start offering the same content you get on Bluray, then you have said something. Until then, this is a fatty hamburger, your favorite. .

The fact that Disney is even offering programming for d/l is a pretty big thing for MS. It's not like they said MS will NEVER get more, they are starting out slowly. Discount it all you want, but every business starts slowly. Just because physical media is a larger business model now doesn't mean it will be forever. Only a total ass would assume it will. My money is on your studio even looking at internet distribution for media in the future.

How do you obtain a ad budget without sales. Good luck with that! Everyone does sales projections. If an ad does not meet even the most minimum of sales projections, then its on to another marketing outlet. Nobody said sales projection were based SOLEY on anything. It is a major thing, not the ONLY thing. That is business young grass eating leather purse! .

Never said that people don't do sales projections. But they certainly don't bank on a $ to $ relation of ads run to sales.

This makes no since at all. Why do you advertise if you are not looking for sales? Why spend big money on advertising if you are not looking for a larger ROI? Master lock learned this, Pets.com learned this, why is this so difficult for you to grasp as well. If a marketing outlet does not translate to sales growth(we are in a results driven world) then that outlet is abandon for another. No back peddling, just total constancy for those who can read. .

Pets.com went out of business you moron. But who cares right? They were ADVERTISING dammit!

Are you disputing that Bose advertising is not found in every audio magazine, in malls, inflight mags on airplanes, online and everywhere else? Here is a company that knows how to market and advertise, that is why they are the largest speaker company in the world. But of course a nose picking gaming little boy wouldn't know that would they? Bose makes my point valid, if no other company in the world does. .

Nope, not contesting a thing. But I guess they should re-evaluate their advertising if they can't even convince a dolt like yourself to buy.

You have been eating so much of yourself, that the fat from the meat has gone to your head. The CIA, FBI and NSA are HUGE organizations with information on everything(computer laptops etc.). To keep information secret with a combined total of millions of employees would be next to impossible, since those employees have access to sensitive information and can expose it. The BDA is made up of 170 companies, with only people at the highest levels of that company knowing any details of the BDA contracts. The difference is staggering, but I am not surprised that you would even make this comparison. .

You do realize that there are different levels of "Secret" right? For god's sake, we cant even get the VP of the US to keep treasonous secrets "secret". So your 170 company consortium can? Please.

If I wanted to know anything about consoles, I would know more about them than you ever could. Just like I know more about audio and video than you do. I put my energy into what interested me, not in what interests something that fits between two peices of bread. .

So stop acting like you know anything about consoles. You do own one after all. Remember, the one that SONY President stated is a GAME MACHINE 1st and foremost?

If you were threaten with legal prosecution, would you tell? If it meant banishment from the BDA, and all of your liscensing aggreements abolished and revoked, would you put your business on the line just to spread contract information? I do not think so. As close as I am to the bluray insiders(and one even went to college with me), If I cannot get information on this, you know some snotting nosed gaming freak hasn't a chance. There is no information that I have devulge here, that has not already been reveal at bluray.com. You are spreading lies, you know you are, and it is stupid of you to continue this course. I visit almost all the major and some minor AV sites out there, I have heard of no one mentioning this AT ALL, because no one knows a single detail of this. This is nothing more than one of you fat between the bun lies. Move on, you have absolutely no traction here, that is for sure. .

Well, if you sell out the US, it means DEATH. And still, state secrets are sold. So please stop pretending that it is IMPOSSIBLE for someone to leak a secret. And just because someone doesn't come running to you with a tattoo on their forhead that says "I LEAK INFO" doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I'm not lying, but your delusional.

You can call me idot, old man, or anything other name. I am unfazed by this. So if you were trying to get an effect, the only effect you got was everyone now knows what a little kid your truely are.

No, not really. The only thing that people are realizing since your return is what a tool you are. You can sputter, and bloviate, and try to bully people, but in the end your just a hyperventilating out of touch ass.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

And I'm sure that it's going to be $200 million forever. In 5 years, lets revisit this topic. By then BR/HD-DVD will be an afterthought, and D/L will be on top.

Half right. HD DVD will be an afterthought, and BR would have had a 3.8billion dollar head start. D/L would have to go through a costly internet face lift, broadband would have to be in over 70% of American homes, and the only delivery system for movies would have to be downloads. Best estimate for this is more than a decade, cause you haven't even started the process.

You started with the liar comments dumb ass. Just waiting for you to actually debate, instead of trying to come up with witty coments about my Avatar. But since you actually don't have anything realistic or on topic to add, I'll wait for your next meat reference.

You lied, not just once, but several times. So if I am a dumb ass, then you must be a beyond retarded ass, because I have shot and killed every last one of your points dead better than a drive by.

Then perhaps you ought to stop commenting about them. Your lack of knowledge and intellegence are showing.

Gettin a little short on real info huh. You have to prove claims of lack of knowledge and intelligence, you just can't say it and hope it sticks.

No, I think I was referencing the fact that its easier to pull the HD out of the PS3 (it is). It wouldn't be that difficult to then attach the HD to a computer. A little emulation and it can access the info. On the 360, you need to modify the motherboard. It is different.

Emulation is not going to help get you past copy protection, oh but a little gamer child probably would not know this. The only way to get any information off the drive of a PS3 is took hook it to a computer that has a HDCP compliant input. This prevents hard drive misuse. I know this, because I actually own one. The fact is, you do not, so what you say is suspect, more so because you have already been busted telling lies.

For the PS3, there are A LOT of Linux applications that are doing the same thing that motherboard "mods" are doing to the 360. But you wouldn't know that because you don't care. So stop acting like your the definative source on console info. Because your not.

When you actually OWN the PS3, you do not have to be a definitive source on console info, just read the instructions. And sorry, a linux application can be rendered useless in the PS3 by a simple firmware upgrade that cannot be avoided. You try and play a new game, or movie that REQUIRES a firmware update, and it is disabled. Since alot of the newer movies are requiring thses updates to play the movies, then there is no way out. With games it is even more covered in that all you have to do is put the firmware update within the game, and boom there goes the application. Remember Sony is not obligated to use Linux or support it, and it is not required to make the player operate. Mine does not use Linux.

And please explain the last comment on your quote? How is a modded 360 going to play hacked movies? Without the latest "Key" the movies don't play. Get on live to get a key, and your system is "bricked". Seems like a waste to kill your system for a $4.00 d/l. But again your ignorance gets in the way of your inability to shut up when your behind.

Sorry, but hacked movies don't need keys. And if you have modded your player at the motherboard level, the keys are not necessary to play any pirated game or movie. What makes a game pirated, is that the security codes are already cracked and off the game or movie. Just like a ripped CD or DVD. Once again, your comment only pertain to XBOX live connections. If you do not connect, they cannot brick your system. If you are using pirated games and movies, then there is absolutely no reason to go to XBOX live. Bang, shot again!

No, your total lack of grip of reality can only lead one to belive that you are in advanced stages of dementia. So, you might be young in years, but your mental ability can only be described as "ancient".

When unable to debate effectively, just spin it to a personal level. Old trick for such a young kid. Us "old men" knew about this when the dinosaur ruled the earth. Its a shame you kiddy's are just now learning old school, because we "old men" see you coming, and going.

The fact that Disney is even offering programming for d/l is a pretty big thing for MS. It's not like they said MS will NEVER get more, they are starting out slowly. Discount it all you want, but every business starts slowly. Just because physical media is a larger business model now doesn't mean it will be forever. Only a total ass would assume it will. My money is on your studio even looking at internet distribution for media in the future.

If Disney or any other studio said no more content, game over for XBOX live. Microsoft does not produce content. So now they are starting of slowly, what happen to the flocking? I know what happen, I work at a studio, and I know mine is not flocking to XBOX live at all. Based on what other studio are offering, they don't seem to be flocking either. If you backpeddle any harder, you may fall and hurt the ground ole beefy one.

Never said that people don't do sales projections. But they certainly don't bank on a $ to $ relation of ads run to sales.

Once again, where did I say it was dollar for dollar. What you are making it seem like is companies are just thowing money at advertising without any expectation of a return. Wrong! Before a company throws out million of dollars, they go through market strategies, focus groups, preview commercial and advertising for effectiveness of focus groups, more focus groups etc.. By then they have spent resources already, and if the campaign does not meet sales projections, then its on to a new strategy. The whole process is methotical, and very measure, but certainly not the mindless waste you assert. Companies EXPECT a certain level of return on their investment, and anyone that says otherwise, is a mindless idiot.

Pets.com went out of business you moron. But who cares right? They were ADVERTISING dammit!

Not relevant at all. It just shows they didn't do their homework. They probably followed your advise.

Nope, not contesting a thing. But I guess they should re-evaluate their advertising if they can't even convince a dolt like yourself to buy.

Well, since I haven't bought their stuff, sure does bring to question the silly name calling doesn't it? Not as dumb as you claim. Did I ever tell you that meat does not have brains?

You do realize that there are different levels of "Secret" right? For god's sake, we cant even get the VP of the US to keep treasonous secrets "secret". So your 170 company consortium can? Please.

Give it up man, I already explained this. If Warner had not signed, they would have to give up their seat. If they gave up their seat, then the whole world would know in about two seconds thanks to the internet just like it did after the Paramount deal broke. No such thing has happen, which confirms that you are spreading lies, something you have continuously done. Hence, liar. The computer companies that are members of the BDA do not know the contractural obligation of the movie companies, and visa versa. Only the movie studios that support the BDA know what other studios contract obligation are, because they are all simular. So what we are talking about is no more than 10-15 people who know what the studios are doing, or not. Significantly less than the hundreds of thousands that know US secrets at any given level. Give it up wally, call the dog in, the hunt is over because the trail is cold.

So stop acting like you know anything about consoles. You do own one after all. Remember, the one that SONY President stated is a GAME MACHINE 1st and foremost?

Then why does Sony marketing it as a entertainment center? There has been only one Sony President presiding over the development of the PS3, and nowhere have I ever read a statement that he calls it a game machine first and foremost. He has called it the mercedes of entertainment center however.

Well, if you sell out the US, it means DEATH. And still, state secrets are sold. So please stop pretending that it is IMPOSSIBLE for someone to leak a secret. And just because someone doesn't come running to you with a tattoo on their forhead that says "I LEAK INFO" doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I'm not lying, but your delusional.

Your leak has no truth to it. None. I have already stated what would happen if the leak was actually accurate, but since none of these events have happen, you are spreading lies, and trying to make it stick. If it were true, then everyone would already know it. Since it is not even mentioned online ANYWHERE, you are trying to cover a lie you are spreading. Classless your beefyness.

No, not really. The only thing that people are realizing since your return is what a tool you are. You can sputter, and bloviate, and try to bully people, but in the end your just a hyperventilating out of touch ass.

Ohh, looks like your leathery hide has bunched at the bum. Geeze, I have never been called a tool, though I never went camping until this weekend. I guess you keep living, and lots of new things happen to ya. Calling me a bully after all the things you have said sounds like another major case of passive/aggressive. You want to act like you know something, blow your little barrel chest out and call names, and when it is batted back into place, you cry bully. Is this the teeny bopper way of throwing a fit because your diaper is wet?

[Groundbeef]

Half right. HD DVD will be an afterthought, and BR would have had a 3.8billion dollar head start. D/L would have to go through a costly internet face lift, broadband would have to be in over 70% of American homes, and the only delivery system for movies would have to be downloads. Best estimate for this is more than a decade, cause you haven't even started the process.

Where do you get your information? Stupid Daily? Broadband is gaining at a rate of almost 50% a year. Narrowband is falling quickly.

According to this report, 75% thats 75% of households that have internet are utilizing BROADBAND. And new households that are acquiring internet access are choosing broadband.

http://www.bizreport.com/2007/07/thr...broadband.html

Hell, back in 2004, thats 3 short years ago, but pretty close to when you look for most of your data, the 10 largest cities with internet access were hovering at between 60-70% broadband access!

Looks like the future is here, but somehow you got left back at the station. Did you know TV's come in color now?

If you weren't so stupid, you might be able to find some of this info before you go off an post more dribble.

You lied, not just once, but several times. So if I am a dumb ass, then you must be a beyond retarded ass, because I have shot and killed every last one of your points dead better than a drive by.

I haven't lied once. BTW what classifies as a "Lie". I would suggest that your posting only 1/2 of the story (360 broken for piracy), then neglecting to post that "MS bricking modded 360's" would be at a minimum shading the truth, at worst LYING.

And the only thing that you have managed to shoot is your foot. Unless of course you forgot to pull it out of your waistband, and shot off your junk. That scenario is probably closer to the truth.

Emulation is not going to help get you past copy protection, oh but a little gamer child probably would not know this. The only way to get any information off the drive of a PS3 is took hook it to a computer that has a HDCP compliant input. This prevents hard drive misuse. I know this, because I actually own one. The fact is, you do not, so what you say is suspect, more so because you have already been busted telling lies.

I'm sure that you are well aware of PS3 owners "ripping" BluRay disks onto the drive, and converting them onto PC's right? The key is proving somewhat problematic, but not impossible. Remeber, it was thought that even ripping the BluRay would not be possible.

And your highlighed statement above, what does that prove? Have you actually been trying to circumvent security? Shame on you...

When you actually OWN the PS3, you do not have to be a definitive source on console info, just read the instructions. And sorry, a linux application can be rendered useless in the PS3 by a simple firmware upgrade that cannot be avoided. You try and play a new game, or movie that REQUIRES a firmware update, and it is disabled. Since alot of the newer movies are requiring thses updates to play the movies, then there is no way out. With games it is even more covered in that all you have to do is put the firmware update within the game, and boom there goes the application. Remember Sony is not obligated to use Linux or support it, and it is not required to make the player operate. Mine does not use Linux.

Sure it can be avoided. Just like the XBOX 360. Take it off the network, no more firmware updates.

Also, SlySoft is reporting that they have broken BD+ on EndgadetHD (Has to be the 2nd biggest cheerleader for BR just behind Sir T). The actual article is translated from the German newsite, so its a little choppy in the grammer department. I guess it really didn't take 10 years to bust it huh?

http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/30...rs-fall-quiet/

Sorry, but hacked movies don't need keys. And if you have modded your player at the motherboard level, the keys are not necessary to play any pirated game or movie. What makes a game pirated, is that the security codes are already cracked and off the game or movie. Just like a ripped CD or DVD. Once again, your comment only pertain to XBOX live connections. If you do not connect, they cannot brick your system. If you are using pirated games and movies, then there is absolutely no reason to go to XBOX live. Bang, shot again!

The only thing you shot was your foot again. Please explain to me how a modded system is going to get movies off LIVE? They get bricked when they connect.

Again, unless you are going to be getting movies off LIVE, its a red herring. I suppose one could load up the player with about 10 movies MOD the motherboard, and then NEVER connect to LIVE again. So if you want to kill your system for 10 $4 movies, thats a risk. But pirated movies, and duplicated DVD's have NOTHING to do with d/l content. Thats why studios are FLOCKING to live. Not the PS3.

When unable to debate effectively, just spin it to a personal level. Old trick for such a young kid. Us "old men" knew about this when the dinosaur ruled the earth. Its a shame you kiddy's are just now learning old school, because we "old men" see you coming, and going.

You are joking right? Or is it the dementia again? You call NightFlier "Gay" (Homophobic? Thats OLD SCHOOL). You manage to throw in a "retard" comment at myself. You have sunk so low, we are all waiting for the obligitory "Nazi" comment. That will pretty much wrap up your "debate" skills. You don't even debate well enough to be called a kid. Your just pathetic.

If Disney or any other studio said no more content, game over for XBOX live. Microsoft does not produce content. So now they are starting of slowly, what happen to the flocking? I know what happen, I work at a studio, and I know mine is not flocking to XBOX live at all. Based on what other studio are offering, they don't seem to be flocking either. If you backpeddle any harder, you may fall and hurt the ground ole beefy one.

How long did you work on that highlight there Einstein? I mean thats got to be one of the richest, most thought provoking, evoctivie, well researched, and presented points ever spoken on this or any other A/V board EVER. You could have only topped it off by suggesting "If the USA stopped producing Electricity, all electrical appliances would stop working!!!". Way to point out the olbvious. Do you have any more brilliant flashes to share with us?

The fact that studios are working with MS/ Apple/ and other content providers to provide any sort of media is a HUGE step. Like it or not, D/L is going to rule the day. It might not now, but it will. Just because you are too dense doesn't mean it wont happen.

Once again, where did I say it was dollar for dollar. What you are making it seem like is companies are just thowing money at advertising without any expectation of a return. Wrong! Before a company throws out million of dollars, they go through market strategies, focus groups, preview commercial and advertising for effectiveness of focus groups, more focus groups etc.. By then they have spent resources already, and if the campaign does not meet sales projections, then its on to a new strategy. The whole process is methotical, and very measure, but certainly not the mindless waste you assert. Companies EXPECT a certain level of return on their investment, and anyone that says otherwise, is a mindless idiot.

Really? Everyone? And what about the compaines that only spend a few hundred $$ or a few thousand $$. Do they do all that expensive research as well? I never said that companies don't expect ROI on their advertisements, but you seem to think that its a simple number to quantify. And its not. So stop pretending that at the end of the day, the finance/accounting department gets a definiative # explaining exactly how many ads went out, and the corresponding # of sales related to the ad. Because they don't.

You sir, are the mindless idiot. Trapped in your own delusional fog about everything.

Not relevant at all. It just shows they didn't do their homework. They probably followed your advise.

No, it only shows that plenty of companies waste money. And that you continue to comment about things you don't know about. Pets.Com was one of the big dot.com deaths. Since you follow (or want people to belive anyway) advertising so closesly, I thought that you SURELY would know about 1 of the biggest casulaties. Again, your ignorance is showcased however.

Well, since I haven't bought their stuff, sure does bring to question the silly name calling doesn't it? Not as dumb as you claim. Did I ever tell you that meat does not have brains?

Oh look everyone another meat reference. Does everyone hear the crickets chirping at yet another "Beef" joke...man you are like a one trick pony. And your trick was over quite a few posts ago. With writing like that I suspect you were the driving force behind that Caveman Show on ABC.

Give it up man, I already explained this. If Warner had not signed, they would have to give up their seat. If they gave up their seat, then the whole world would know in about two seconds thanks to the internet just like it did after the Paramount deal broke. No such thing has happen, which confirms that you are spreading lies, something you have continuously done. Hence, liar. The computer companies that are members of the BDA do not know the contractural obligation of the movie companies, and visa versa. Only the movie studios that support the BDA know what other studios contract obligation are, because they are all simular. So what we are talking about is no more than 10-15 people who know what the studios are doing, or not. Significantly less than the hundreds of thousands that know US secrets at any given level. Give it up wally, call the dog in, the hunt is over because the trail is cold.

They don't have to give up their seat. They can operate under the old agreement. Companies do it all the time during negotiations. You should know this, but again that would involve some thought on your part. The bigger news is whether or not Warner has RE-Signed. I'm not suggesting they will or will not. But the contract has lapsed, and no press conference has been called to say its been re-upped.

Then why does Sony marketing it as a entertainment center? There has been only one Sony President presiding over the development of the PS3, and nowhere have I ever read a statement that he calls it a game machine first and foremost. He has called it the mercedes of entertainment center however.

You are such a dumbass. The CEO of Sony Entertainmet you are referring to was "re-assigned". The newest president said at the Tokyo Game Show IN SEPTEMBER 2007. (Current Info. I know you hate it, but its more current than your 2 year old feeble citations you typically throw up). Here's his actual words:

PlayStation 3 might play Blu-Ray movies, and it might help scientific research like Folding@Home, but Sony wants you to know that it's a game machine first and foremost.

That was the message from Sony Computer Entertainment group CEO Kaz Hirai at his Tokyo Game Show keynote address Thursday morning, as he attempted to show the assembled press that Sony has righted its course with the embattled game player.

"As the fundamental point of our system, I think it is still a game machine," Hirai said. "We want people to first enjoy it for the possibility of interactive games. If we pursue too many directions, people will keep asking us, 'What is PlayStation'?"

Here's the actual article, hope you can read it with all the big words and all:

http://blog.wired.com/games/2007/09/...rai-plays.html

Your leak has no truth to it. None. I have already stated what would happen if the leak was actually accurate, but since none of these events have happen, you are spreading lies, and trying to make it stick. If it were true, then everyone would already know it. Since it is not even mentioned online ANYWHERE, you are trying to cover a lie you are spreading. Classless your beefyness.

ANOTHER meat reference. You've really outdone yourself this time. Please, don't forget to tip the waitress, and try the veal, its excellent!

And unless you have some confidential info you're not supposed to share, I have'nt lied about anything. Man, you are really terrible in this whole debate thing. Once again, you've been schooled!

Ohh, looks like your leathery hide has bunched at the bum. Geeze, I have never been called a tool, though I never went camping until this weekend. I guess you keep living, and lots of new things happen to ya. Calling me a bully after all the things you have said sounds like another major case of passive/aggressive. You want to act like you know something, blow your little barrel chest out and call names, and when it is batted back into place, you cry bully. Is this the teeny bopper way of throwing a fit because your diaper is wet?

Teeny bopper? Whoochiefer used that about 1 year ago, so I guess now to top it off you also plagiarize others posts on this board. Nice touch.

Talk about acting like I know something? Have you even read what you type? Or is it all top of mind stuff? I mean its not even good. Mostly out of date links supported by some BR shilling? Well, try again, it's always fun to burst your ballon.

[L.J.]

Whoochiefer

Who the heck is that? Must be Wooch's evil twin brother

[Groundbeef]

Who the heck is that? Must be Wooch's evil twin brother

Well, you know, Sir T has me so looped with all of his awesome "Meat" jokes, I may have pushed an extra button. I meant Wooch. There is only one right?

[Woochifer]

Who the heck is that? Must be Wooch's evil twin brother

Hmmm, I always thought that I was the evil twin! Guess I'm not holding up my end of the blood oath!

[Woochifer]

Teeny bopper? Whoochiefer used that about 1 year ago, so I guess now to top it off you also plagiarize others posts on this board. Nice touch.

Uh, getting awfully hung up on word usage now aren't we? It would only be plagiarism if I'd actually invented the term or if T quoted me verbatim without attribution. Just in case you didn't know, I did not originate the term and T would not be the first person on this board to use it. Also, if you search my previous posts, you'd note that aside from this thread I've never actually used the exact term "teeny bopper" on this board, whereas many others have.

http://forums.audioreview.com/search...earchid=147980

Talk about acting like I know something? Have you even read what you type? Or is it all top of mind stuff? I mean its not even good. Mostly out of date links supported by some BR shilling? Well, try again, it's always fun to burst your ballon.

Right, and your views on HD-DVD and the Xbox 360 are totally objective!

[Groundbeef]

Uh, getting awfully hung up on word usage now aren't we? It would only be plagiarism if I'd actually invented the term or if T quoted me verbatim without attribution. Just in case you didn't know, I did not originate the term and T would not be the first person on this board to use it. Also, if you search my previous posts, you'd note that aside from this thread I've never actually used the exact term "teeny bopper" on this board, whereas many others have.

http://forums.audioreview.com/search...earchid=147980



Right, and your views on HD-DVD and the Xbox 360 are totally objective!

Its been some time. Probably over 2 years ago. Didn't mean to drag you into the mud.

As far as HD-DVD or Xbox 360, I've never pretended to be objective. While I've made it clear that I don't begrudge anyone for owning a PS3, I don't own one. However, I will respond to out of date, wrong, or misleading info.

It seems that while Mr. T is content to "act" unbiased, in the end he clearly is. Works for a BR studio (exclusive), and is content to point out shortcomings of MS and HD-DVD, while pretending Sony/ BR doesn't have any warts.

BTW I bought 2 Wii over the weekend. To sell on Ebay. Prices are pretty good, but I think I'll wait a couple more weeks to post them up.

Nice to see you lurking around though. Always enjoy your posts!

[Groundbeef]

In the interest of the Warner BR portion of the above threads, it appears that Warner is making an official statement. In essence it says "We are not changing anything. Things are staying the same until we say otherwise. We are not going exclusive to either format at this time."

I'm just wondering who will be lined up and shot for releasing this information. Dont they know THEY SIGNED AN AGREEMENT???? What the hell is going on. This is supposed to be super secret, double cross your fingers keep it a secret secret. Read it here:

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/sh...construed/1135

So I guess we can all sit around and wait. Like we were before. Except now we know that there will be no changes. Right now. Not later perhaps, but for the time being everything is the same. No changes. At all. For now.

[GMichael]

In the interest of the Warner BR portion of the above threads, it appears that Warner is making an official statement. In essence it says "We are not changing anything. Things are staying the same until we say otherwise. We are not going exclusive to either format at this time."

I'm just wondering who will be lined up and shot for releasing this information. Dont they know THEY SIGNED AN AGREEMENT???? What the hell is going on. This is supposed to be super secret, double cross your fingers keep it a secret secret. Read it here:

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/sh...construed/1135

So I guess we can all sit around and wait. Like we were before. Except now we know that there will be no changes. Right now. Not later perhaps, but for the time being everything is the same. No changes. At all. For now.

How many times did Sony deny that they were putting out a 40GB version of the PS3? You just never know what these people are going to do until they do it.
Oh, there is one change. Prices have come down enough for me to own one of each. Some others may feel the same.

[Woochifer]

Its been some time. Probably over 2 years ago. Didn't mean to drag you into the mud.

No prob, just keepin' you on your toes!

[Groundbeef]

No prob, just keepin' you on your toes!

Ewwww, you're not asking me to dance are you?

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Where do you get your information? Stupid Daily? Broadband is gaining at a rate of almost 50% a year. Narrowband is falling quickly.


According to this report, 75% thats 75% of households that have internet are utilizing BROADBAND. And new households that are acquiring internet access are choosing broadband.

http://www.bizreport.com/2007/07/thr...broadband.html

Yes, Broadband as we have in America according to your stats is at 75%. However, just as I made my point earlier, the broadband we have in this country is not as fast as the rest of the world, and not ready for mass downloading as well. Comcast is already starting to slow traffic down, or stop it entirely for P2P users sharing files because of bandwidth issues. This is just file sharing. When we start talking about those 75% downloading movies, it will get far worse than this. I have stated this to you time and time again, the internet as we have now cannot support widespread movie downloads, it is having a tough time handling P2P file sharing.

http://valleywag.com/tech/lawsuits/c...ion-314188.php

http://pressesc.com/01179677598_us_internet_slow

Hell, back in 2004, thats 3 short years ago, but pretty close to when you look for most of your data, the 10 largest cities with internet access were hovering at between 60-70% broadband access!

This is meaningless if the traffic is bottled up and slow.

Looks like the future is here, but somehow you got left back at the station. Did you know TV's come in color now?

If you weren't so stupid, you might be able to find some of this info before you go off an post more dribble.

If this is what you call the future, then your standards are much lower than mine, and your idea of the future is much different than reality will support.

I haven't lied once. BTW what classifies as a "Lie". I would suggest that your posting only 1/2 of the story (360 broken for piracy), then neglecting to post that "MS bricking modded 360's" would be at a minimum shading the truth, at worst LYING.

I posted mulitple posting of 360 broken for piracy, the links are there, if there was a lie, they told it not me. Are you disputing the links for their accuracy?

And the only thing that you have managed to shoot is your foot. Unless of course you forgot to pull it out of your waistband, and shot off your junk. That scenario is probably closer to the truth.

When you have no facts or info, just insult.

I'm sure that you are well aware of PS3 owners "ripping" BluRay disks onto the drive, and converting them onto PC's right? The key is proving somewhat problematic, but not impossible. Remeber, it was thought that even ripping the BluRay would not be possible.

Well aware of Slysoft software. You notice it is not everywhere? Did you notice that Slysoft has refused to talk about how they did the crack? I tell you why, they know that it is not easy to break BD+ permanently. The BDA can simply revoke the current keys on the fly, and can keep changing them via BD+. Slysoft would have to know every key issued now, and in the future for their software to be effective. Then they would have to figure out a way around BD-Rom as well, because they work hand in hand. If you attempt to play the disc with the security ripped off, it will not play in any bluray drive.

And your highlighed statement above, what does that prove? Have you actually been trying to circumvent security? Shame on you...

Stupid statement, no need to reply to this.

Sure it can be avoided. Just like the XBOX 360. Take it off the network, no more firmware updates.

Thank you for making my point.

Also, SlySoft is reporting that they have broken BD+ on EndgadetHD (Has to be the 2nd biggest cheerleader for BR just behind Sir T). The actual article is translated from the German newsite, so its a little choppy in the grammer department. I guess it really didn't take 10 years to bust it huh?

http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/30...rs-fall-quiet/

Slysoft has not revealed how they did the crack, so until they do, we do not know just how he got a single key to a single disc. They have not been able to get multiple keys according to the BD+ insiders on bluray.com, and if they do, they would have to know what the new keys were to make the software useful. Nobody knows the new keys, not even the party issueing them.

The only thing you shot was your foot again. Please explain to me how a modded system is going to get movies off LIVE? They get bricked when they connect.

You do not need live when you have access to a unlimited supply of bootleg movies and games right?

Again, unless you are going to be getting movies off LIVE, its a red herring. I suppose one could load up the player with about 10 movies MOD the motherboard, and then NEVER connect to LIVE again. So if you want to kill your system for 10 $4 movies, thats a risk. But pirated movies, and duplicated DVD's have NOTHING to do with d/l content. Thats why studios are FLOCKING to live. Not the PS3.

Flocking is defined as a crowd of people. If not every studio is supporting live, then how do you define a crowd? If english is your first language, then perhaps you need to know how to correctly use words.

Who needs to store any movies on the hard drive? Just go to a corner in most large cities, and you have access to plenty of bootlegged movies and games.

You are joking right? Or is it the dementia again? You call NightFlier "Gay" (Homophobic? Thats OLD SCHOOL). You manage to throw in a "retard" comment at myself. You have sunk so low, we are all waiting for the obligitory "Nazi" comment. That will pretty much wrap up your "debate" skills. You don't even debate well enough to be called a kid. Your just pathetic.

I guess consuming too much of yourself has happered your reading skills. I ASKED nighliar if he was gay, I did not call him gay. Asking someone a question is not homphobic is it?

How long did you work on that highlight there Einstein? I mean thats got to be one of the richest, most thought provoking, evoctivie, well researched, and presented points ever spoken on this or any other A/V board EVER. You could have only topped it off by suggesting "If the USA stopped producing Electricity, all electrical appliances would stop working!!!". Way to point out the olbvious. Do you have any more brilliant flashes to share with us?

Sometimes you have to point to the obvious because alot of stupid people cannot figure it out themselves.

The fact that studios are working with MS/ Apple/ and other content providers to provide any sort of media is a HUGE step. Like it or not, D/L is going to rule the day. It might not now, but it will. Just because you are too dense doesn't mean it wont happen.

Well when it rules the world as you say, let me know. The only thing ruling anything right now is the studios over Microsoft. Its not really that big of a step either, everyone knew some studios were going to support downloads sooner or later.

Really? Everyone? And what about the compaines that only spend a few hundred $$ or a few thousand $$. Do they do all that expensive research as well? I never said that companies don't expect ROI on their advertisements, but you seem to think that its a simple number to quantify. And its not. So stop pretending that at the end of the day, the finance/accounting department gets a definiative # explaining exactly how many ads went out, and the corresponding # of sales related to the ad. Because they don't.

Your whole assesment of what I think is as out of whack as your understanding of advertising in general. It is really difficult to debate if you cannot read and comphrehend a post. Read the cavieat about the millions of dollars, or do you have comprehension trouble with that as well.

If a company spends a few hundred or thousand dollars, it would be on local advertising. Surely nobody is going to spend five thousand dollars worth of time and resources for a hundred or few thousand dollars worth of advertising. The expectation will be much lower, but there are still some expectation on ROI. What just because you spend only a hundred or a thousand dollars on advertising you should not expect a return? This is small business numbers where every dollar counts, and a completely different process on how to advertise. Television is one thing(millions of dollars) local print is another.

You sir, are the mindless idiot. Trapped in your own delusional fog about everything.

You have already confessed that you know less than I, so what does this make you?

No, it only shows that plenty of companies waste money. And that you continue to comment about things you don't know about. Pets.Com was one of the big dot.com deaths. Since you follow (or want people to belive anyway) advertising so closesly, I thought that you SURELY would know about 1 of the biggest casulaties. Again, your ignorance is showcased however.

They did not waste money, their management made a stupid choices and poor decisions. They did not do their homework, and became a victim of the dot.com implosion. Their advertising choice were only a part of the problem, their spending habits and overhead where their largest problem. Sorry, you are overstating their downfall, webvan had them beat by a long shot in terms of losses.

Following dotcom failures almost 5 years after the dot com bust is not something I am interested in. I also never said I follow advertising all that closely. However, since I have plenty of friends who own businesses of all sizes, getting information on the subject is not that difficult. I supposed it would be harder for you to get this from you milk sucking game playing kiddy friends huh?

Oh look everyone another meat reference. Does everyone hear the crickets chirping at yet another "Beef" joke...man you are like a one trick pony. And your trick was over quite a few posts ago. With writing like that I suspect you were the driving force behind that Caveman Show on ABC.

Tricks are for kids, I was calling you what you should have been named in the first place.

They don't have to give up their seat. They can operate under the old agreement. Companies do it all the time during negotiations. You should know this, but again that would involve some thought on your part. The bigger news is whether or not Warner has RE-Signed. I'm not suggesting they will or will not. But the contract has lapsed, and no press conference has been called to say its been re-upped.

You obviously do not know BDA protocol. When a company decides to not support the BDA, they MUST give up their seat on the BDA. According to Paidgeek, you cannot operate under a old contract, you must sign another contract on or before the date of the original contract is signed. Companies may do what you state all the time, but not THIS company, not this contract, and not this board of directors. Since this is the rules, Warner obviously has signed a renewed contract, they're continuing to support bluray right? You spread FUD, and when corrected on the guidlines, you have continued to advance this. You have gone from gossip, to liar.

Lastly, you do not have to, not obligated to, its not necessary to call a press conference everytime you make a move. Right? And you say I don't know what i am talking about???

You are such a dumbass. The CEO of Sony Entertainmet you are referring to was "re-assigned". The newest president said at the Tokyo Game Show IN SEPTEMBER 2007. (Current Info. I know you hate it, but its more current than your 2 year old feeble citations you typically throw up). Here's his actual words:

PlayStation 3 might play Blu-Ray movies, and it might help scientific research like Folding@Home, but Sony wants you to know that it's a game machine first and foremost.

That was the message from Sony Computer Entertainment group CEO Kaz Hirai at his Tokyo Game Show keynote address Thursday morning, as he attempted to show the assembled press that Sony has righted its course with the embattled game player.

"As the fundamental point of our system, I think it is still a game machine," Hirai said. "We want people to first enjoy it for the possibility of interactive games. If we pursue too many directions, people will keep asking us, 'What is PlayStation'?"

Here's the actual article, hope you can read it with all the big words and all:

http://blog.wired.com/games/2007/09/...rai-plays.html

Seems you do not understand the difference between a unit president, and the CEO.

Hirai may have said it was a gaming machine, but Sir Howard Stringer who is his boss calls it an entertainment center. So who should we believe, the one who runs the company, or one of his suboodinates?. He also said fundementally, which means when all other function are removed. Since all the other functions are not removed, then it is hard to call it a gaming system. As any other game machine played SACD's? Does any other game machine have a built in bluray player? Does any other gaming machine upconvert regular DVD's and lesser games to 1080p? If all the PS3 was is just a gaming machine, then why would it have all of these other non gaming features? No wait, you are actually going to have to think about this, and that make cause the largest earthquake this world has every felt.

ANOTHER meat reference. You've really outdone yourself this time. Please, don't forget to tip the waitress, and try the veal, its excellent!

yawn

And unless you have some confidential info you're not supposed to share, I have'nt lied about anything. Man, you are really terrible in this whole debate thing. Once again, you've been schooled!

How can you say you have schooled me and you have not even proven what you said is true LOLOLOL. Where is a link that says Warner has not signed its contract, or when the date of expiration of the old is? Where is it? What is the name of the other site you got this information from? I have not seen either, hence you lied until you have proven you are telling the truth.

Teeny bopper? Whoochiefer used that about 1 year ago, so I guess now to top it off you also plagiarize others posts on this board. Nice touch.

Another stupid response. Are there any brain cells left?

Talk about acting like I know something? Have you even read what you type? Or is it all top of mind stuff? I mean its not even good. Mostly out of date links supported by some BR shilling? Well, try again, it's always fun to burst your ballon.

Yes you act like you know something, and you are a lousy actor because you have no proof to support what you say. Ballons are for kids kid.

[Groundbeef]

Well aware of Slysoft software. You notice it is not everywhere? Did you notice that Slysoft has refused to talk about how they did the crack? I tell you why, they know that it is not easy to break BD+ permanently. The BDA can simply revoke the current keys on the fly, and can keep changing them via BD+. Slysoft would have to know every key issued now, and in the future for their software to be effective. Then they would have to figure out a way around BD-Rom as well, because they work hand in hand. If you attempt to play the disc with the security ripped off, it will not play in any bluray drive.

Slysoft has not revealed how they did the crack, so until they do, we do not know just how he got a single key to a single disc. They have not been able to get multiple keys according to the BD+ insiders on bluray.com, and if they do, they would have to know what the new keys were to make the software useful. Nobody knows the new keys, not even the party issueing them.


Seems you do not understand the difference between a unit president, and the CEO.

Hirai may have said it was a gaming machine, but Sir Howard Stringer who is his boss calls it an entertainment center. So who should we believe, the one who runs the company, or one of his suboodinates?. He also said fundementally, which means when all other function are removed. Since all the other functions are not removed, then it is hard to call it a gaming system. As any other game machine played SACD's? Does any other game machine have a built in bluray player? Does any other gaming machine upconvert regular DVD's and lesser games to 1080p? If all the PS3 was is just a gaming machine, then why would it have all of these other non gaming features? No wait, you are actually going to have to think about this, and that make cause the largest earthquake this world has every felt.

Alright, I'm gonna ask you a question about SlySoft, as you do have the BR expertise, and I don't. If the keys get switched does that affect consumers that already have BR disks? How does that work exactly?

Also, Slysoft may not have it "solved" but how much of a concern is this for BR? Isn't it a bit unnerving that someone was able to crack it (at least initally) so soon? Wasn't it supposed to take longer, or has this been planned for as an invevitablity?

Second, I think we are into hair splitting territory on the PS3. I fully admit that it has one of the, if not the most robust BR players intstalled. Can't speak for the media hub functions, but I don't think its as robust as LIVE, as there are not the options that MS offers the 360.

However, for you to attempt to suggest that it is not a "Game" machine is not correct. There are NO other BR players that also play PS3 games. The primary push for the PS3 is games. The reveune streams and licencing fees for SONY will be huge once they actually get an installed base large enough to sell games for it. I don't think that Sony is relying on selling a subsidized BR player (for now until cost constrict further, but the recent price cut isn't helping the bleeding), as much as they are hoping for a runaway success as the PS2.

I don't think having "Game" attached to the PS3 takes away from its ablities or anything.

[GMichael]

This thread is a fun read.

[Feanor]

This thread is a fun read.

You say you're enjoying reading it; many of us lack the patience. Maybe you could provide us with a synopsis of the meaningful, relevant information. Such a synopsis would be much shorter than the actual thread I dare say.

[GMichael]

Well, first there was a left uppercut, then a right jab, a little dinking and ducking, then some more jabs, A brutal left hook followed by a kick in the groin. I lost track of what was going on after that.