Quote Originally Posted by Resident Loser
As did I, or I'd never have responded...and I also requested clarification of his premise...and while, as in the case of "licidity", the odd misplaced finger is excusable, the concept of "... i feel that the towers will look out of place between a screen mounted on the wall..." is a bit much, and while he may or may not be confused, my intent has been to minimize any confusion caused by the answers provided.
It may be a bit much to you, but not to him. If he is asking the question, then a simple(or complex) answer is all that is required, no psychological evaluation is necessary. It is his speakers, and his future projector, right? Isn't it up to him to decided what looks right for him? I wasn't confused, I understood what he was trying to say, but of course I wasn't trying to be a rear orifice either?



So what is the point? indeed...One point is, when you provide a link to a jpg, you really should include some of the more salient info contained in scenes' description...you provided pictures of a wall or baffle or whatever you might like to refer to it as, in support for your many contentions...HOWEVER...as a follow-up I visited the Sub South site and lo and behold, the transducers that were installed were Triad InWall Gold...in fact while they can be tilted up and down to tweek their dispersion(gee, that sounds like trial and error to me...anyone else?) they don't allow for toe-in, tis' fixed...so now repeat again with me...designed for...designed for...designed for a SPECIFIC USE...no simple JBLs or Tannoys or any-old-bookshelf-or-towers that just happened to be lying about.
I was not focusing on the speakers themselves, but the baffle wall. I am sorry that you have misplaced your focus. Now let's deal with the speaker issue.

Here is a link to at theater that uses regular boxed speakers(powered version) mounted to a baffle wall behind the screen. Notice it does not say the speaker is for wall mounting, its a studio monitor. In other words it was NOT designed specifically for baffle mounting

The theater;

http://www.wsdg.com/portfolio/portfol.php?SL=ht&BL=1#

http://www.wsdg.com/popup.php?POP=ch.../home_theaters

The speaker

http://www.genelec.com/products/1032a/1032a.php

Here is another theater with baffle mounted speakers. It features the JBLsynthesis two speaker system. This speaker system was also not designed specifically for baffle mounting.

The theater;

http://www.wsdg.com/popup.php?POP=ro.../home_theaters



The speakers;

http://www.jblsynthesis.com/products...=US&Region=USA

http://www.jblsynthesis.com/products...=US&Region=USA

So as you see, your theory that a speaker must be designed specifically for the purpose of baffle mounting is simple not true. The speakers I am currently using in my hometheater used to be mounted behind a baffle wall. This is nothing more than an old school narrow minded thought process that is outdated and long forgotton. Catch up with the technology!



Well, howzabout these for a start...they are ALL THX certified. So, in no particular order, knowing full well you will find some self-serving reason to dismiss them:

Snell XA60, XA90, XA1900 and that's just the freestanders
Great speakers, however, the boundary compensation circuit provides only one curve, and is designed for boundaries that are close to the speakers, but not for behind a baffle wall. If we were to remain in context to this thread, we are specifically talking about boundary compensation circuits that work on a baffle wall, not for in front of walls. Just pointing out that these speakers have compensation circuit, but not specifically associated with the topic we are discussing is meaningless. The circuit is simular to the one that is found in THX controllers, and are supposed to be engaged when a non THX controller is used(it would be redundant otherwise). Not dismissing the speakers, just your understanding of what the compensation circuit can and cannot do. Baffle wall mounting will produce a very different frequency response than a speaker in a cabinet, or sitting close to a rear or side wall..


Atlantic Technologies 4200, 6200 and 8200
See above, same concept.

The entire Sonance Cinema Series, save for the entry-level model
These speakers are perfect for the task, however I see no boudary compensation circuits on them. I also do not see any information that would lead me to believe they have them.

M&K S-150 THX Ultra's and I believe some of their LCRs are also so equipped.
VERY familar with this speaker, and I know for a fact there are no boundary compensation circuits on this speaker. There is a radiation pattern control for wide or narrow dispersion for the tweeter. The speaker is perfect for baffle mounting, Eddie Murphy uses these in his hometheater. As far as accomodating toe in, I get my mounts that allow both up and down, and left right made for me.

There are others if memory serves, but while they may be directed toward the HT crowd, they aren't THX certified...in fact quite a few manufacturers seem to have curtailed their licensing payments a, er...agreements and no longer produce the models listed on the THX site.
Would you care to list the others? You memory doesn't serve me.

And just as an aside to the general public there is a THX site which does have a wealth of info re: the subject at hand...products, placement guidelines, certification parameters...lookee here:

www.thx.com
There is a wealth of information there if you own THX products.

Which really means very little...it ain't rocket science(in fact rocket science ain't all that big a deal)...particularly since the initial post had to do with how a specific scenario would affect the overall sound...you are the one who chose to bring the elephant into the room by typing THX, as though it really payed any part whatsoever. Other than to make it seem that you might have any better insight into the answer than anyone else who might dare to contribute to HAVICs information base...why shades of JR!!!
I chose to bring THX into the picture because they advocate baffle walls for behind the screen mounting of speakers. That IMO lends credence to the practice, as they have gone through a great deal of experimentation regarding the practice for hometheater, much more than anyone else except CEDIA. Your concerns listed have already been recognized and dealt with. You say it couldn't be done without speakers designed strictly for that practice, I have proven that is already has been done, and in over a thousand TK installations all over the world. TK does not use inwalls for the front speakers, they use various box speakers just like the JBL system, and the Genelec speakers.

I certainly have better insight into the practice than you have. I am both THX and CEDIA trained and certified, are you?

You only really have to know the audio basics...there are facets of the hobby governed by the laws of physics which will never change. Couple that with a modicum of common sense and it's sorta' like knowing how to orienteer with topos and a compass compared to using GPS...whatta' ya' do when the batteries run out?
Based on this comment, I suppose you can design, install, and calibrate a high end hometheater right now with the knowledge you currently have. Riiiiight! Sure you can! I am willing to bet you don't even know how to interpret the results of a real time analyzer.



Used up your monthly allotment. did you? Pity for HAVIC it didn't occur earlier. Well, be of good cheer, it's almost Oct. 1st, and I'm sure there's more in store...and before you get all hissy-p!ssy, do recall all of your previous attempts at insult.
My allotment didn't run out, my desire did. When you have to answer so many stupid questions in such a short time period from one particular person(RL) its a drain. Insult you, don't have to do it. Your a pro all by yourself.

I don't claim to have any answers. The thing I do, and have always done on this site is to let all those "sheeple" in on the big secret...there are two sides to every coin and there are some folks who can't tolerate that fact and I think it's just terrible.

jimHJJ(...all sorts of info on the web...ya' jus' gotz to look fer it...)
The web is also full of misinformation and junk. And you are correct, there are always two sides to everything. Its terrible you have presented the more weak side. Sometime you don't have to claim anything, the arrogant attitude speaks loads. I am sure that posters on this site appreciated you calling them sheeple. I supposed you think you are a shepherd, although I would never follow you. I am not a sheeple so that might explain why.