Who LOST Kam this season?

[kexodusc]

Been DVR'ing and watching late. I LOVE skipping through the hours of commercials to get to the program. Hmmm I've some theories.

1. The bracelets might be like "Nam era bracelts that represent some loved one killed by Ben on the island.

2. The island was once populated by a race of beings with 3 toes I believe. They set up their research station there and did genetic experiments to produce various species, hence the polar bear in the tropics. These experiments took place way in the past hence the fossilzed remains of a Polar Bear with a Dharma collar.

3. When the 3toes left, or were killed by their ape experiment gone awry (man) they left behind powers and anomalies on the Island that can, dialate time, suspend aging, provide limited time travel and a host of other goodies.

4. Fascinated by the idea of this Island, men have searched for it throughout the ages, hence the galleon, the planes of various eras and all the other wrecked craft.

5. The desendants of the original inhabitants i.e. the Dark Haired dude have one job, to protect the island from the grasping monkey boys that are men.

6. The Dharma initiative was the only group of MB's to not only find the island but colonize it in a vain attempt to systematically plumb it's secrets for exploitation.

7. The descendents used Benry to kill the D.I. folks and stave off destruction and exploitation of the island for another half generation.

8. All this went awry when the plane was drawn off course, or deliberately SENT off course by men once again seeking the fountain of youth.

Da Worfster

Worf, you are on to something. My wife and I arrived at a similar conclusion while watching S3 again. It started when Ben gave the speech to lock about imagining a box, and whatever you wanted in that box would be inside. It continues with biblical references in the show, references to paradise, etc.

We think the island is Eden, a Pillar of Creation.

I thought the statue had 4 toes, so maybe the original inhabitants were 4 toed dudes, but other than that, I think you've got it my friend.

[GMichael]

So what happened to all the 3/4 toed dudes? Will they be coming back? Hey! Wait a minute. Do we know how many toes the characters on BSG have?

[ForeverAutumn]

I think that Fred Flintstone only had four toes.

[topspeed]

Been DVR'ing and watching late. I LOVE skipping through the hours of commercials to get to the program. Hmmm I've some theories.

1. The bracelets might be like "Nam era bracelts that represent some loved one killed by Ben on the island.

2. The island was once populated by a race of beings with 3 toes I believe. They set up their research station there and did genetic experiments to produce various species, hence the polar bear in the tropics. These experiments took place way in the past hence the fossilzed remains of a Polar Bear with a Dharma collar.

3. When the 3toes left, or were killed by their ape experiment gone awry (man) they left behind powers and anomalies on the Island that can, dialate time, suspend aging, provide limited time travel and a host of other goodies.

4. Fascinated by the idea of this Island, men have searched for it throughout the ages, hence the galleon, the planes of various eras and all the other wrecked craft.

5. The desendants of the original inhabitants i.e. the Dark Haired dude have one job, to protect the island from the grasping monkey boys that are men.

6. The Dharma initiative was the only group of MB's to not only find the island but colonize it in a vain attempt to systematically plumb it's secrets for exploitation.

7. The descendents used Benry to kill the D.I. folks and stave off destruction and exploitation of the island for another half generation.

8. All this went awry when the plane was drawn off course, or deliberately SENT off course by men once again seeking the fountain of youth.

Da Worfster

Those are very plausible theories. My question to you is where does Jacob fit into all of this and why is it only Ben, Locke, and maybe Hurley can see/hear him?

[Worf101]

I think that Fred Flintstone only had four toes.

Philistine!!!!!! LOL touche.....

Well, its the best theory I could come up with. I don't have a clue who Jacob is unless..

The Toe guys have evolved beyond the physical or can't act in our physical plane of existence anymore and require "intermediaries" to talk to us and explain their bidding, give us warnings etc.. When a dead or distant friend or relative appears (Ecko's brother, Walt etc, Jacks Dad, perhaps Jacob) that's the toe guys trying to communicate in this dimension or physical plane. (Man I'm just full ove it today).

Da Worfster

[GMichael]

Philistine!!!!!! LOL touche.....

Well, its the best theory I could come up with. I don't have a clue who Jacob is unless..

The Toe guys have evolved beyond the physical or can't act in our physical plane of existence anymore and require "intermediaries" to talk to us and explain their bidding, give us warnings etc.. When a dead or distant friend or relative appears (Ecko's brother, Walt etc, Jacks Dad, perhaps Jacob) that's the toe guys trying to communicate in this dimension or physical plane. (Man I'm just full ove it today).

Da Worfster

Seems as good as any other theory I've read so far.

[Worf101]

As to why most folks can't "see" Jacob or the others. I believe you have to be "receptive" to them. Kinda like Dreyfuess in CE3K. Not eveyone can receive the signals. Walt could, Jack can (sometimes) Locke can, when he's not seething, Desmond... I'm not sure about that "brother".

Benry and "da boys" are doing the TG's bidding, keeping our grubby hands off their stash till they can return or finish up what they want. The folks behind the original DI want the Island in the worst way for either immortality or time travel. Either of which would change the world as we know it. The grubber's planted the fake plane so that they could safely kill off all the inhabitants of the Island and take what they want without "prying eyes" looking for them.

God I've GOT to stop drinking my lunch.

Da Worfster

[GMichael]

Maybe we are a type of decedents from these 3 toed island dwellers. Maybe they sliced their genes with a few ape genes and there you have it. Man (and woman) kind. And only the decedents with the recessive genes can see him. Kinda like on Stargate Atlantis.

[ForeverAutumn]

As to why most folks can't "see" Jacob or the others. I believe you have to be "receptive" to them. Kinda like Dreyfuess in CE3K. Not eveyone can receive the signals. Walt could, Jack can (sometimes) Locke can, when he's not seething, Desmond... I'm not sure about that "brother".

Benry and "da boys" are doing the TG's bidding, keeping our grubby hands off their stash till they can return or finish up what they want. The folks behind the original DI want the Island in the worst way for either immortality or time travel. Either of which would change the world as we know it. The grubber's planted the fake plane so that they could safely kill off all the inhabitants of the Island and take what they want without "prying eyes" looking for them.

God I've GOT to stop drinking my lunch.

Da Worfster

Sorry, who exactly are "the grubbers"?

[Kam]

worfster! lovin' this theory... and to supplement on it...

The 4-Toed dudes (4 being the first number in the sequence as well) have evolved beyond this world to the Whispering Voices we've heard throughout the Island.

[ForeverAutumn]

You should all read this. No spoilers just a very interesting interview with Cuse and Lindelof.

"Sometimes, a bracelet is just a bracelet".

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20179125,00.html

[Worf101]

Sorry, who exactly are "the grubbers"?

Da Grubbers are what I've named the outfit that sent Naomi, Ghostbuster, Geekboy and Sky King to the Island to hunt for Ben. They're represented by the skinny Black dude who visited Hugo in the looney bin and put together the team in the first place. Bad men with much power.

Da Worfster

[ForeverAutumn]

Da Grubbers are what I've named the outfit that sent Naomi, Ghostbuster, Geekboy and Sky King to the Island to hunt for Ben. They're represented by the skinny Black dude who visited Hugo in the looney bin and put together the team in the first place. Bad men with much power.

Da Worfster

Thanks. Okay, so I think the opposite of your theory. I think that Ben and whoever he's working with (also a very powerful group) planted the plane to keep the grubbers and rest of the world from looking for the real plane and, thus, stumbling upon the island.

How would the grubbers know to plant the plane? How did they know that there were survivors on the island? They went to the island to look for Ben, but I don't think that they knew that they would find the survivors of 815 on the island. I think that was a surprise.

[ForeverAutumn]

So Aaron is being raised by Kate? WHAT THE HECK HAPPENED TO CLAIRE? WHERE'S CLAIRE?

Were y'all surprised when Kate said Aaron's name at the end? By that time I knew it was coming. When she told Sawyer that she wasn't pregnant I knew something was up. Then when she said to Jack that she understood why he didn't want to see the baby...it clicked in. I knew at that moment that Kate's "son" was Aaron. Either this show is getting predictable or I'm just in tune by now with what the writers are thinking.

So, Aaron looked to be about two years old. We now have a reference to what time frame we're working in with the flash forward. It's gotta be about 2006 in yesterday's flash forward. Jack is still in pretty good shape. So how far forward, exactly, is the bearded suicidal Jack from the last episode of S3? Or, is this all-together Jack a recovered Jack and the beard is in his past. At least, we now know (or think we know) who Kate was referring to in that last S3 episode when she says, "I've got to go, he'll start wondering where I am".

And what was with Jack's testimony? Only eight of us survived the plane crash. Two died. Why is everyone lying? Purgering themselves in court no less.

I need a coffee...

[GMichael]

So Aaron is being raised by Kate? WHAT

I wasn't expecting that either. Figured it was Sawyer's.

Oh, and only 8 people lived?

[ForeverAutumn]

I wasn't expecting that either. Figured it was Sawyer's.

Oh, and only 8 people lived?

Sorry, I somehow posted before I was finished typing and then had to go back and finish as an edit.

[Groundbeef]

So Aaron is being raised by Kate? WHAT THE HECK HAPPENED TO CLAIRE? WHERE'S CLAIRE?

Were y'all surprised when Kate said Aaron's name at the end? By that time I knew it was coming. When she told Sawyer that she wasn't pregnant I knew something was up. Then when she said to Jack that she understood why he didn't want to see the baby...it clicked in. I knew at that moment that Kate's "son" was Aaron. Either this show is getting predictable or I'm just in tune by now with what the writers are thinking.

So, Aaron looked to be about two years old. We now have a reference to what time frame we're working in with the flash forward. It's gotta be about 2006 in yesterday's flash forward. Jack is still in pretty good shape. So how far forward, exactly, is the bearded suicidal Jack from the last episode of S3? Or, is this all-together Jack a recovered Jack and the beard is in his past. At least, we now know (or think we know) who Kate was referring to in that last S3 episode when she says, "I've got to go, he'll start wondering where I am".

And what was with Jack's testimony? Only eight of us survived the plane crash. Two died. Why is everyone lying? Purgering themselves in court no less.

I need a coffee...

I didn't put the name, and the baby (Claires) together, but thats a possiblity. I think however, that it's more likely Sawyers baby. Why would Jack be hesitiant to see the baby if it wasn't Kate's? I think somehow its Kates and Sawyers, and Jack doesn't want to see the association.

I love Hurley. "You just Scooby-Doo'ed me didn't you?".

[GMichael]

I didn't put the name, and the baby (Claires) together, but thats a possiblity. I think however, that it's more likely Sawyers baby. Why would Jack be hesitiant to see the baby if it wasn't Kate's? I think somehow its Kates and Sawyers, and Jack doesn't want to see the association.

I love Hurley. "You just Scooby-Doo'ed me didn't you?".

Maybe a decission he made caused Claire to end up dead.

[ForeverAutumn]

Why would Jack be hesitiant to see the baby if it wasn't Kate's? I think somehow its Kates and Sawyers, and Jack doesn't want to see the association.

Here's my theory. First the facts...

1. Only six people from 815 make it off the island.

2. There have been several references made by or to the Oceanic 6 about whether the people who didn't get off the island are still alive.

3. A mother who loves her child doesn't give up her child unless she's in danger or thinks that her child is in danger.

I think that as the last group of the Oceanic 6 were being helicoptered off the island, something bad was going down on the island. Claire thought that she and Aaron were in danger so she shoved Aaron into Kate's arms while Kate was on the helicopter and made Kate promise to take care of him.

Jack doesn't want to see the baby because it's a painful reminder of the people that they left behind and what might have happened to them.

To me, it just doesn't make sense that Kate would have Sawyer's baby and give him the same name as Claire's baby. I think that it has to be Claire's kid.

Of course, what do I really know? Not a damn thing. Aaron could be Kate and Ben's love child for all I know. After all, they did share an intimate breakfast together once.

[kexodusc]

Here's my theory. First the facts...

1. Only six people from 815 make it off the island.

2. There have been several references made by or to the Oceanic 6 about whether the people who didn't get off the island are still alive.

3. A mother her loves her child doesn't give up her child unless she's in danger or thinks that her child is in danger.

I think that as the last group of the Oceanic 6 were being helicoptered off the island, something bad was going down on the island. Claire thought that she and Aaron were in danger so she shoved Aaron into Kate's arms while Kate was on the helicopter and made Kate promise to take care of him.

Jack doesn't want to see the baby because it's a painful reminded of the people that they left behind and what might have happened to them.

To me, it just doesn't make sense that Kate would have Sawyer's baby and give him the same name as Claire's baby. I think that it has to be Claire's kid.

Of course, what do I really know? Not a damn thing. Aaron could be Kate and Ben's love child for all I know. After all, they did share an intimate breakfast together once.

Pretty sure that's the same baby we've been watching for 3 + years now (which begs the question, how many actual babies has the show had to cast to play the role of Aaron?)

If Kate & Sawyer had a kid and named it Aaron too, well, that's just not very creative.
I wonder how old the kid is and how fast he's aging though? I may have misinterpreted Kate's mom, but I think she said she's been given 6 months to live for 4+ years now. If we assume she was diagnosed with 6 months to live in the same year Kate crashed on the island, there could be a bit of a time lag thingy going on here? Aaron didn't look 4, maybe not even 2 years old? Maybe that's what's freaking Jack out?

[Hyfi]

Here's my theory. First the facts...

1. Only six people from 815 make it off the island.

2. There have been several references made by or to the Oceanic 6 about whether the people who didn't get off the island are still alive.

3. A mother who loves her child doesn't give up her child unless she's in danger or thinks that her child is in danger.

I think that as the last group of the Oceanic 6 were being helicoptered off the island, something bad was going down on the island. Claire thought that she and Aaron were in danger so she shoved Aaron into Kate's arms while Kate was on the helicopter and made Kate promise to take care of him.

Jack doesn't want to see the baby because it's a painful reminder of the people that they left behind and what might have happened to them.

To me, it just doesn't make sense that Kate would have Sawyer's baby and give him the same name as Claire's baby. I think that it has to be Claire's kid.

Of course, what do I really know? Not a damn thing. Aaron could be Kate and Ben's love child for all I know. After all, they did share an intimate breakfast together once.

Don't you realize they are reading this? Every time someone guesses too close they re-write next week's script. They have 1700 alternate endings depending on how the guessing goes. Then, the week before the final episode, and we all think we have it figured out they will change it up again and leave us all just as LOST as we are now.

[kexodusc]

Okay, just to fuel some more speculation on the whole baby Aaron in the future angle - I just finished watching "Greatest Hits" (2nd last episode of Season3) where Desmond tells Charlie about his vision of him drowning in The Looking Glass station. Desmond also tells Charlie that both Aaron AND Claire get rescued and fly off the island in a helicopter in his vision.

So I'm assuming something happens to Claire on the freighter, or later on?

[JSE]

Do we know who all the Oceanic 6 are yet? I thought we did but I can't remember the 6th.

Jack, Kate, Aaron, Said, Hurley...............?

[GMichael]

Do we know who all the Oceanic 6 are yet? I thought we did but I can't remember the 6th.

Jack, Kate, Aaron, Said, Hurley...............?

Ben?

[JSE]

Ben?

Nope, Ben was not on the flight so there is no way he could be a survivor.