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Originally Posted by Worf101
We knew Sawyer was a daddy before. Remember she visited him in Prison when he was running that scam on that doughboy prisoner? He had his share of the profits sent to her and his kid, anonymously. Women say they want a "good man", when in reality they all want to be owned and rough housed by some semi-bearded desperado like Sawyer... Typical... LOL (don't shoot FA).
Da Worfster
that's right! geez it feels so long ago with this abominable "double" season. so now we can place Kate in Idaho on her list of places she's been. Kinda like a where in the world is carmen sandiego deal she definitely seems the most travelled of the group.
and to place kate's flashbacks in the timeline... this happenned after Sawyer's LongCon but before the Prison Con?
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It must have been immediately after the Long Con, since Cassidy wasn't visibly pregnant yet.
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First of all, what is with the smoke and the fence thing? Smoke can't go over it? Give me a freakin' break.
Juliet is not to be trusted. Something doesn't add up with her. She doesn't know anything about the smoke. Oh wait, now she knows that it doesn't like the fence but doesn't know anymore. Yeah right. And I'm Daffy F'n Duck in drag!
Has everyone forgot that Sawyer is a con man? It's his job to seem nice when the time is right. He's still the same person he was when he got there. But what is he really after this time?
Well, at least it's Wednesday. More answers and twice as many new questions to come.
May the predictions begin....
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Originally Posted by GMichael
First of all, what is with the smoke and the fence thing? Smoke can't go over it? Give me a freakin' break.
i was wondering that myself. didn't the trio manage to just walk over the pole section of the fence? so as smart as the Smoke Monster seems to be, wouldn't it know that as well?
so as far as the monster goes... is there just one monster on the island? or are there different ones, or just different manifestations of the same monster. OR... could the monster be what is in that 'box' henry was talking about and there really is a very deep connection between locke and the island, and locke is subconsciously controlling the monster?
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Originally Posted by Kam
locke is subconsciously controlling the monster?
Whoa! Now there is some "thinking outside of the box."
Some other sites have suggested that the smoke is a bunch of nano-type electronic bugs with a hive mind. Apparently the writers of the show shot that theory down. So some others have suggested that they are organic bugs of some kind of crazy island type.
But Locke controlling them? Cool idea. He does have a strange bond going on.
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Ahem...Walt and Michael? WTF?
I gotta feeling the boy is a critical cog in all this....
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well the walt polar bear connection thing was definitely interesting, and the Others' extreme interest in Walt and all those other questions about michael and walt should (hopefully) be answered in the next two years.
but i was thinking about locke being the only one to face down the monster and live. then we had eko face the monster and live once... but the second time, he died and i was thinking that something changed in eko from those times. his repentance or willing to repent. and i always thought he made the right choice in NOT repenting the second time in talking with his ghost/monster inspired/hallucinaginic brother. which made me wonder what 'right' the monster had to kill him the second time that it didn't have the first time?
so maybe it wasn't eko that changed... but locke. and locke's dynamic with eko.
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Less than 7 hours to go. Unless you live in the 3rd season of the year. Then it's under 6.
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Smokey as Cerberus
Here's some interesting Smokey shots from Sledgeweb's site...
http://lost.cubit.net/forum/index.ph...sa=view;id=260
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Well, it looks like we called that one pretty well. Don't trust Juliet. She's in cahoots with Benry. A plant at the beach. etc. etc. And I realize that I didn't say it here, but I told a collegue that I don't believe that Juliet was even gassed, since we never actually saw any evidence that really happened.
So, Ben's last comment to her..."see you next week". Intriguing.
Wow, what an episode. Lots of answers and not too many new questions. That's a switch! Now we know what Ethan was injecting into Claire. But we still don't know what Desmond was injecting while in the hatch and why. Was it a mix-up? Was he injecting Juliet's pregnancy serum? And why was Rousseau able to give birth to Alex if all of the women on the island lose their babies? Okay, maybe there were fewer answers and more questions raised than I originally thought. :confused5:
It may be a little early for this, but here's how I see the series breakdown so far.
Season One - The plane crash / Mysterious Island
Season Two - The Hatch / Button / Dharma Initiative
Season Three - The Others
So what's the focus of Season Four gonna be? Any predictions?
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Hey I just thought of something. Was that mark on tree (where the medical supplies were planted) the same as the mark that was branded onto Juliet's back?
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Wow, what an episode.
I went in convinced that Juliet was bad. Then, all the flashbacks had me thinking, that maybe she wasn't so bad after all. With the others treating her so bad, and Ben manipulating her so much, I thought that perhaps she flipped.
And then the last 2 flashbacks....MAN the writing was tight on this one!
I was like, oh man, awesome twist.
Now we just have to figure out why. At this point, the Others losing many of their advantages. They have lost the ablity to communicate with the outside world, and the sub is destroyed.
I just can't figure out what Juliet is supposed to recon for them. They have weapons, why not just storm the beach and either kill/capture who they want. Well, I suppose if we knew that, the show wouldn't have 5 episodes to go.
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I think...
...Juliette is playing both ends...did she take the gas mask or brush it aside? I don't think she is particlarly bothered by Ethan's death, I think we may see more of why in flashbacks...and I don't think she'd be too overcome by Ben's demise...but the results of the "...see you in a week..." remark may answer all or some of these questions...
I still think the whole The Tempest/Forbidden Planet vibe is lurking...exactly who is the Prospero/Morbius in this epic?
jimHJJ(...I really dislike Ben...)
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Now that's what I'm talking about...
Answer some questions for a friggin' change. Gimme a break fer goodness sake. Great episode..
Her: "Oh she had a bad life they're treating her so bad."
Me: "Don't buy it she stinks."
Her: "See she saved her life."
Me: "She's a tulip, a plant, a mole, a spy. Somthing's rotten in the State of Denmark and it ain't Dharma Ranch Dressing.
Her: "Oh shoot you were right all along. How did you know?"
Me: "One grifter can always spot another...."
Her: "Hunh???"
Me: "Never mind dear.... never mind.
Da Worfster
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Here's a great article summarizing last night's episode and raising some interesting issues...
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20034600,00.html
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Originally Posted by ForeverAutumn
I appear to be the only one really bothered by the show's first really stupid plot hole.
If ya can't have baby's on the island, why not, oh, I don't know, have'em off the freakin' island. These guys are obviously loaded with gold and oozing silver, it's not like they couldn't find some other non-mystical island to set aside for procreation.
Let's recap:
Ben: We can't have baby's on this island, what do we do?
Jacob: Well, let's take procreate on some other island
Ben: Nah, that'll never work, best to kidnap babies and perform sickening experiments with mothers, maybe even kill a few innocents along the way...
WTF?
Other than that, the show was great.
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Originally Posted by kexodusc
I appear to be the only one really bothered by the show's first really stupid plot hole.
If ya can't have baby's on the island, why not, oh, I don't know, have'em off the freakin' island. These guys are obviously loaded with gold and oozing silver, it's not like they couldn't find some other non-mystical island to set aside for procreation.
Let's recap:
Ben: We can't have baby's on this island, what do we do?
Jacob: Well, let's take procreate on some other island
Ben: Nah, that'll never work, best to kidnap babies and perform sickening experiments with mothers, maybe even kill a few innocents along the way...
WTF?
Other than that, the show was great.
Maybe once you're on the island it becomes a part of you. Leaving won't help. But then Lockie would be able to walk if he left?
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loved that episode.
my latest ramblings before i lose them:
The plane appears over the island and splits in half. ben sends ethan and goodwin to check it out. asks julliette to walk with him. they walk to mikhail's shack and... they see news reports of oceanic flight 815 missing over the pacific. pretty fast news report, don't you think?
I still think that island is out of time/space/etc. i think they're in the future and mikhail, seeing the plane in the sky, started searching the news ARCHIVES for a plane missing over the pacific and got the information of everyone on the plane. the "lists" that ben told ethan and goodwin to bring back was to match against the information that mikhail would get, they would want to know the survivors on the plane and their connection and role they would need to play on the island. (claire - baby, jack - surgeon, etc).
the whole newspaper date scam to identify her sister and daughter may very well have happenned... x# of years ago. i don't think on the Island it was september 2004.
oh yeah, and i don't think jack is duped just yet. he doesn't want to hear her answers, because he knows they'll be lies. :)
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Originally Posted by GMichael
Maybe once you're on the island it becomes a part of you. Leaving won't help. But then Lockie would be able to walk if he left?
Sure, he'd be able to walk. And having a baby would also kill him.
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Originally Posted by Groundbeef
Sure, he'd be able to walk. And having a baby would also kill him.
:yikes: :hand: :shocked: :yikes:
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Originally Posted by Kam
loved that episode.
my latest ramblings before i lose them:
The plane appears over the island and splits in half. ben sends ethan and goodwin to check it out. asks julliette to walk with him. they walk to mikhail's shack and... they see news reports of oceanic flight 815 missing over the pacific. pretty fast news report, don't you think?
A couple more ramblings of my own...
I thought that one of the news reports showed the plane LANDING. I'll have to rewatch my tape, or check Sledgeweb's site when I get home. I'm sure he'll have screencaps. Think back to the Oceanic web site in season 1. Wasn't there evidence that the plane landed in LA but hours late? I wish I were at home so that I could investigate this a little more.
Also, what if Juliet's branding wasn't a bad thing? Remember when the court was told that Benry said that her life should be spared but that she would be "marked"? The group looked shocked. I assumed that being "marked" was worse than death for some reason. But what if being "marked" actually made her one of them and the group was shocked by that decision because she had only been on the island for three years and they knew that she wanted to go home. Maybe they were wondering why Benry would accept her as one of them. Hmmmmm.
Also, I wonder how many other Others, were brought to the island under false pretenses and want to go home. Juliet can't be the only one.
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Originally Posted by Kam
loved that episode.
my latest ramblings before i lose them:
The plane appears over the island and splits in half. ben sends ethan and goodwin to check it out. asks julliette to walk with him. they walk to mikhail's shack and... they see news reports of oceanic flight 815 missing over the pacific. pretty fast news report, don't you think?
I still think that island is out of time/space/etc. i think they're in the future and mikhail, seeing the plane in the sky, started searching the news ARCHIVES for a plane missing over the pacific and got the information of everyone on the plane. the "lists" that ben told ethan and goodwin to bring back was to match against the information that mikhail would get, they would want to know the survivors on the plane and their connection and role they would need to play on the island. (claire - baby, jack - surgeon, etc).
the whole newspaper date scam to identify her sister and daughter may very well have happenned... x# of years ago. i don't think on the Island it was september 2004.
Interesting, theory Kam. I just finished telling a friend of mine that I expect Michael and Walt to show up soon, except Walt will be 23 years old and Michael an old man....
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Originally Posted by kexodusc
Interesting, theory Kam. I just finished telling a friend of mine that I expect Michael and Walt to show up soon, except Walt will be 23 years old and Michael an old man....
I wouldn't put too much into seeing a plane land. Many times with reports of missing planes, and airline disasters news organizations simply use stock footage. I mean really, with the 1000's of take offs-landings daily in the US alone, no one films them 1 by 1. Only by happenstance or blind luck will a flight actully be filmed either taking off or landing.
I think it was just stock footage. Same with the 4 engine Airbus in one of the pictures on the monitor. The news headline was that a plane went missing. Not like its all that important to have an actual representation of the identical plane. Just a big jet will do for the initial headline.
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ooooooooo brain just got hit with another juicy thought.
ana lucia was killed by michael for (imo) having killed goodwin....
now juliette knows that it was charlie that killed ethan....
i think juliette was sent (like michael was) to kill charlie. i think the only accidental death was really libby's, but michael was told he was supposed to get ben out AND kill ana lucia. or maybe her death was just a bonus but it was planned as the Other's eye-eye justice (since juliette was supposed to be killed for killing Sawyer-hater-dude).
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Originally Posted by Kam
ooooooooo brain just got hit with another juicy thought.
ana lucia was killed by michael for (imo) having killed goodwin....
now juliette knows that it was charlie that killed ethan....
i think juliette was sent (like michael was) to kill charlie. i think the only accidental death was really libby's, but michael was told he was supposed to get ben out AND kill ana lucia. or maybe her death was just a bonus but it was planned as the Other's eye-eye justice (since juliette was supposed to be killed for killing Sawyer-hater-dude).
I wonder why that guy hated Sawyer so much. Could he have been a victim of one of Sawyer's scams? Or maybe someone he knew, will be scammed?
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