and I'm Lost all over again....

[GMichael]

yeah i guess sayid/AL would make a better aliance than romance.

but one thing these idjets i work with brought up is this... the question between AL and jack..
after she says, if that's allright with you (about questioning henry tomorrow) jack says, "dont worry, i didnt tell anyone."
i took that to mean AL was taking a jab at him with her "alright with you" comment as in. "thanks-for-letting-me-in-on-this" and his response was meaning, look i didnt tell anyone about henry so dont think i was trying to exclude you. but everyone here seems to think that he was referring to something else? any thoughts?

Or there's more to the conversation these two had before the flight than we have been let in on.

IMO Jin and Sun both know that there's no miracle going on. She didn't even tell him how she learned English yet. More to come here.

Henry is an other. They can't do anything about it yet until Al & friends get back. If they get back. If he was not an other it would be stupid to screw with the people holding his life in their hands. But, this does seem obvious. Maybe too obvious. Maybe he's just a clueless idiot? No, I go with "other."

Ditto on, "yeah I guess sayid/AL would make a better alliance than romance."

Good episode. And another new one next week?! What a treat.

[GMichael]

and now for my extreme paranoia kams-taking-it-TOO-far thought... maybe it was my contact lenses or something, but the opening "LOST" title... now it generally only comes into focus for just a fraction of a second as it goes back out of focus, but last night, i noticed a little ripple in the T of LOST as it spun towards us... now, NORMALLY i'm not this insanely paranoid about every little nuance BUT with this show, how could you not be?? did anyone notice that or was it just a glitch in time warner cable?

I'll have to check that tonight.

[ForeverAutumn]

yeah i guess sayid/AL would make a better aliance than romance.

but one thing these idjets i work with brought up is this... the question between AL and jack..
after she says, if that's allright with you (about questioning henry tomorrow) jack says, "dont worry, i didnt tell anyone."
i took that to mean AL was taking a jab at him with her "alright with you" comment as in. "thanks-for-letting-me-in-on-this" and his response was meaning, look i didnt tell anyone about henry so dont think i was trying to exclude you. but everyone here seems to think that he was referring to something else? any thoughts?

I interpreted that scene differently Kam. Although your explanation also makes sense. I thought that AL's comment to Jack "if that's alright with you", was to show Jack that she was still on his side and not taking orders from Locke. Jack's comment back, that he didn't tell anyone, was his way of saying that this is a secret and asking her not to tell anyone. I didn't hear him say "don't worry". I only heard, "I didn't tell anyone". I'll have to go back and check exactly what words they both used.

As for the wavering T. Well...I'll check my tape...but I think that you're trying to dig too deep my friend. But like you say, you just never know with this show.

The Canadian preview showed AL, Sayid and Charlie finding a balloon hanging in the trees. Not that that necessarily means anything....

[ForeverAutumn]

Henry is an other. They can't do anything about it yet until Al & friends get back. If they get back. If he was not an other it would be stupid to screw with the people holding his life in their hands. But, this does seem obvious. Maybe too obvious. Maybe he's just a clueless idiot? No, I go with "other."

I still don't think it's that simple. But I am loving the conflict that he's creating. Cudos to the writers for coming up with some very good lines for Henry. Short, to the point, and creating some great psychological mind games. I love that kind of stuff! And I'm not familiar with the actor, but he's doing a great job. I give him my Best Actor on Lost award.

[Kam]

I interpreted that scene differently Kam. Although your explanation also makes sense. I thought that AL's comment to Jack "if that's alright with you", was to show Jack that she was still on his side and not taking orders from Locke. Jack's comment back, that he didn't tell anyone, was his way of saying that this is a secret and asking her not to tell anyone. I didn't hear him say "don't worry". I only heard, "I didn't tell anyone". I'll have to go back and check exactly what words they both used.

As for the wavering T. Well...I'll check my tape...but I think that you're trying to dig too deep my friend. But like you say, you just never know with this show.

The Canadian preview showed AL, Sayid and Charlie finding a balloon hanging in the trees. Not that that necessarily means anything....

ah ok, i like that interpretation too. but they (the 'others' at my work) seem to think that his "i didnt tell anyone" was referencing something else entirely. i thought it was pretty obvious they were both referring to henry being in the hatch, and whether AL was either taking a dig at jack for not trusting her with the info, OR like you said, letting jack know she still deferred to him over locke... either case they are referring to the situation with henry and his 'i didnt tell anyone' was referencing henry in the hatch.


by the way... "Henry Gale".... is the name of Dorothy's Uncle in the Wizard of Oz. i know there was an oz reference about the balloon, but did anyone pick up on this?? and found some more interesting theories on Henry... he is thomas's uncle. (thomas being aaron's father)

[ForeverAutumn]

ah ok, i like that interpretation too. but they (the 'others' at my work) seem to think that his "i didnt tell anyone" was referencing something else entirely. i thought it was pretty obvious they were both referring to henry being in the hatch, and whether AL was either taking a dig at jack for not trusting her with the info, OR like you said, letting jack know she still deferred to him over locke... either case they are referring to the situation with henry and his 'i didnt tell anyone' was referencing henry in the hatch.


by the way... "Henry Gale".... is the name of Dorothy's Uncle in the Wizard of Oz. i know there was an oz reference about the balloon, but did anyone pick up on this?? and found some more interesting theories on Henry... he is thomas's uncle. (thomas being aaron's father)

You have 'Others' at work?

You LOST me. hehehe. Is Henry's last name Gale? I didn't catch his last name. On a Wizard of Oz note, pretty cool that Dorothy's uncle was named Gale...as in gale winds...as in tornado. Get it?

I didn't catch the Wizard of Oz reference, but there were comments to that effect on one of the Lost boards. I didn't understand them...I guess because I missed the reference. And I don't have the episode on tape anymore.

Suddenly I have a strong urge to listen to Dark Side of the Moon.

[Kam]

You have 'Others' at work?

You LOST me. hehehe. Is Henry's last name Gale? I didn't catch his last name. On a Wizard of Oz note, pretty cool that Dorothy's uncle was named Gale...as in gale winds...as in tornado. Get it?

I didn't catch the Wizard of Oz reference, but there were comments to that effect on one of the Lost boards. I didn't understand them...I guess because I missed the reference. And I don't have the episode on tape anymore.

Suddenly I have a strong urge to listen to Dark Side of the Moon.

yeap, he gave his name as henry gale in his first appearance, which again, normally sure it can be a 'coincidence' to have the name of a character in a book, but c'mon... guy claims to have landed on the island with a balloon AND his name just happens to coincide with Dorothy's Uncle's name from wizard of oz.... next they'll have locke catching an other named Holden Caulfield eating a rye sandwhich....

[topspeed]

I did write down the name of the manufacturer in order to look it up on the internet later.

the opening "LOST" title... now it generally only comes into focus for just a fraction of a second as it goes back out of focus, but last night, i noticed a little ripple in the T of LOST as it spun towards us... now, NORMALLY i'm not this insanely paranoid

Wow.

I mean...wow.

I think it's time both of you stayed away from sharp objects for a spell
j/k

OK, what was with Sun's look when she hugged Jin and did anybody else think that when she told him "I have something I have to tell you...", she was going to reveal that she had an affair with her english tutor? Clearly there was something going on there, after all she was ready to board a plane to leave Jin. BTW, I had no idea Jin was such a d!ck. I thought he was a pretty cool fisherman's son, but that all changed when he asked Sun if she had known about the scar tissue before they got married. Ooh, that one hurt.

When the trio spread out into the bush looking for the balloon, the first thing that came to my mind was "Ambush!" They do have a gun (clever foreshadowing there by the writers), but we know the Others do as well. Henry's definitely one of the Others. I really hope Sayid makes it back, because I want to see what he's going to do that manipulative toad.

Good episode and even better, it's going to be followed by another new episode ! That's about as rare as a comet sighting these days.

[Kam]

Wow.

I mean...wow.

I think it's time both of you stayed away from sharp objects for a spell
j/k

hehehe.

it's funny.... cuz it's true.

[ForeverAutumn]

Wow.

I mean...wow.

I think it's time both of you stayed away from sharp objects for a spell

You know, I was thinking something similar last night as I reached over to grab a pen and paper from by the phone to take notes. Take notes! From a fictional TV show. Even at the height of my X-Files obsession, I never actually took notes.

BTW, I had no idea Jin was such a d!ck. I thought he was a pretty cool fisherman's son, but that all changed when he asked Sun if she had known about the scar tissue before they got married. Ooh, that one hurt.

Didn't you just love her response? "Yes, that's right, I lied to trap the son of a fisherman". Boy, did he ever deserve that! One for Sun.

[Kam]

You know, I was thinking something similar last night as I reached over to grab a pen and paper from by the phone to take notes. Take notes! From a fictional TV show. Even at the height of my X-Files obsession, I never actually took notes.



Didn't you just love her response? "Yes, that's right, I lied to trap the son of a fisherman". Boy, did he ever deserve that! One for Sun.

totally, BUT... that's the best part of his character, that he has an arc to go through. and its the "why" behind his actions is understandable, if not condoneable as the best possible behaviour, but heck, i dont know what its like to be in his shoes. he desperately wants that baby because that baby means his own safety (to him at least) in that with a baby around, his father-in-law wont want to send him on the dangerous thuggish missions. obviously he's been under a lot of stress having to beat people up all the time, so that violence carries over as much as he tries to insulate sun from it, he still shoves it in her face at times. that was defn one time. although yes... her response was ssssssssharp!
just wanted to stick up for Jin, even though he has been a jerk, he did replant the garden!! oh and sawyer calling sun 'sunshine'... classic.

[kexodusc]

totally, BUT... that's the best part of his character, that he has an arc to go through. and its the "why" behind his actions is understandable, if not condoneable as the best possible behaviour, but heck, i dont know what its like to be in his shoes. he desperately wants that baby because that baby means his own safety (to him at least) in that with a baby around, his father-in-law wont want to send him on the dangerous thuggish missions. obviously he's been under a lot of stress having to beat people up all the time, so that violence carries over as much as he tries to insulate sun from it, he still shoves it in her face at times. that was defn one time. although yes... her response was ssssssssharp!
just wanted to stick up for Jin, even though he has been a jerk, he did replant the garden!! oh and sawyer calling sun 'sunshine'... classic.

Sorry I'm late, didn't catch it until yesterday (thank heavens for PVR's).

Jin's character is really starting to intrigue me. Here's a guy who sold his soul to be with the woman he loved.
Remember he had all the pride and integrity in the world when he let that poor boy pee in the hotel...then consequently quit his job when his employer bad mouthed poor people.

But for the woman he loved, he'll sell his soul to Sun's father. Working for his father-in-law clearly was changing him. He wasn't happy, he was sick. But sacrificing himself for his wife.
The baby wasn't just about change for him, it was his salvation. His one escape. Learning Sun was incapable of having children closed the door on his future. He was trapped. So naturally there was outrage.
Yeah, he was stressed alright. So his jerkish out-breaks are understandable in that regard. I don't think he's hit Sun yet, but it'll be interesting to see how far he goes (or has gone). That guy has some demons.

The island seems to have afforded him a 2nd chance at life. He's not such a bad guy. Just the opposite. His honor and promise to Sun's father is what's destroying him in the first place. Yup, this is classic story writing. There's a fine line between heroes and villians, sometimes it's the desire to do good that leads a character down the wrong path.
(damn, now that I think of it, Jin is freakin' Anakin Skywalker).

Damn, the characters on this show are killer!

I love Sawyer's comments on the Judy Blume book too when asked how it was... "Predictable".

Charlie's little gun fake on Anna Lucia was priceless too. Damn that guy's good. He's my favorite Lost actor. Him and Sawyer. Selling sleaze as an actor is tough.

As for Henry. Well, he could be an other, but that's too easy. But there's definitely more to him than we know. He's definitely been the best guest on the show.

Great show. Next week's looks even better.

Did anyone else catch Locke say "There's a man in MY hatch, and I want him out of there"?
His hatch? Locke's losing it, man.

[Kam]

everyone on the show is just so well developed...i keep switching who i think is the best because they just keep adding on so many layers.. or rather, reveal so many layers that are already there, so well written!!!
and what i loved in the first season which they are only now starting to get back to doing, is the whole 'partial reveal' of the character's story. the best example was the jin/sun background story the first time they showed it. that was pure brilliance. where they showed sun's side first, and jin just came across as this monumental jackass thug punk ahole (when she busts in on him in the bathroom and hes washing blood off his hands, etc.) and then like 2-3 weeks later they showed the jin backstory and his side of those events and then... bam! you love the guy and feel like a fool for hating him all this time. they've been doing that with sawyer a lot too, but they keep flip flopping the viewers emotions on him... making him a ahole, then giving you the understanding behind it, then back to ahole, then love him, then ahole... its great.

it really does seem like the island is a '2nd chance' opportunity for everyone, not that this is some mystical property of the island, but basic human nature as well, its almost like a fresh start, like an ability to start your life over, a 'reset' button, if you will. its getting to the point where it seems like these guys might not want to be rescued off the island.... although the whole Others-and-smokey-monster-imminent-death-on-any-day thing isnt the best home situation.

and i did pick up on that locke quote.. especially since there was a visible switch during that conversation. earlier he said "in THE hatch," and then the second time he said "in MY hatch, and I want him out of there."

you know what could be very interesting with henry gale... is if he is yet another "force" on the island... if his story actually is completely true (the balloon, dead wife, etc.) but his backstory is something completely different from there's (ala rousseau)... that he is not an Other, but maybe something else entirely. the "sickness" effected him in a different way then it did rousseau. maybe the sickness (and loss of alex) just amde rousseau a weird, hermit, esoteric nutjob, but turned henry into having delusions of grandeur... that he truly is the wizard of oz type character. since the wizard didnt belong in Oz any more than dorothy did. the wizard was never a part of Oz, and i dont think henry is a part of the island either, at least not in the same way the Others are a part of the island. Which means (absolutely nothing but) that the "He" that ethan and zeke were referring to outside of claire's room has not been revealed yet... the master Other... hanso?

and what in the hay is going on with michael/walt??? when are they bringing that storyline back??

[topspeed]

Dammit Kex, just when I'm sure Jin is an a-hole, you bring up some very good points . Now I have to rethink everything again!

and what in the hay is going on with michael/walt??? when are they bringing that storyline back??

I've been wondering that for weeks. At least they did a little bit with Rose and her husband again. It seemed like they sailed off into the sunset after their reunion!

[ForeverAutumn]

it really does seem like the island is a '2nd chance' opportunity for everyone, not that this is some mystical property of the island, but basic human nature as well, its almost like a fresh start, like an ability to start your life over, a 'reset' button, if you will. its getting to the point where it seems like these guys might not want to be rescued off the island

That's very interesting. From a sociological standpoint that, on it's own, would be an interesting experiment. So, what reasons can we find for people to not want to return to their lives...

Kate - She's the easiest. She was being returned to the US to be tried for murder. She had a life in jail to look forward to. I don't care how many monsters are on the island, being free on an island sure beats being some monster's ***** in jail.

Jack - His wife left him. He turned his dad in to the medical board, then his dad ran off, got drunk and died...yeah, I'd say that Jack may have some issues that he doesn't want to return to face.

Hurley - He may be rich, but money hasn't brought him happiness. He's cursed (or so he thinks) and he lost his best friend. And we still don't know anything about why he was in a mental institution.

Sawyer - Another one who's likely hiding from the Law.

Sun and Jin - Neither one of them were happy in their previous lives. They seem to be finding a renewed love for each other. Jin is happier away from Sun's father and Sun is happier because Jin is happier and treating Sun better.

Charlie - he's away from drugs and has a fresh drug-free existance.

Sayid - We really don't know all that much about him yet. We need more Sayid back stories. What was he doing in Sydney???

Claire - Again, not really sure but I'm sure that Aaron has something to do with her being better off on the island. Could it be that she ended up keeping the baby?

Locke - He was in a wheelchair and now he can walk. He worked for a box company and his co-workers laughed at him. Now he's a pretty powerful guy on the island and people look up to him. It's like being a nerd in school, then being transferred to a new school and falling in with the cool kids.

Ana-Lucia, Echo, The Professor, Gilligan, and the rest - need more info.

Anyone else have any thoughts on this subject?

[Kam]

So far, everyone (other than michael) has taken an incredibly passive stance on getting off the island. it doesnt even seem like anyone has tried to even figure out some sort of rescue flare system, watch the skies, watch the horizon, or anything to get them off the island. in fact, since the opening fires on the beach, there has been NO attempt to have any sort of signal, and noone has been doing anything to build another raft, or even to build a signal raft to send off to sea with what information they have, like sending empty bottles with notes in them or ANYTHING to get off that island. they've all definitely begun to fall into a pattern of life-on-the-island. albeit its been about 2 months... but still... so far, doesnt seem like anyone really wants to be rescued.

[GMichael]

With some of the hot babes they have on the island, who would want to be "rescued?"
Anyone for a swim?

[ForeverAutumn]

I think that there has to be some sort of interaction with the Swan Station and the outside world. Not only are the washer and dryer obviously new, but when Hurley was taking inventory of the food he said that there was enough food to feed one man three meals a day for three months. Desmond had been there for three years. I find it hard to believe that he started with a three year food supply! And what would happen to him when he ran out of food in three months? Someone still has a vested interest in making sure that button gets pushed. And that someone is supplying the Station with food and other necessities.

Guess I nailed that one, huh? An air drop of food to the island. Very interesting indeed. Was the lockdown to ensure that whoever is in the hatch can't get outside to see where the food is coming from?

WHO IS HENRY GALE???????
(both of them)

There definately has to be some sort of connection between Sawyer and Locke's father. That they are both conmen is way too coincidental. There are no coincidence's on Lost.

And how about Locke's legs getting stuck under the wall. Okay, first of all, you managed to lift the wall with a crowbar earlier, so why didn't Henry just try to do it again so that Locke could slide out? I understand that he's injured but they didn't try very hard to free Locke IMO. The first thing that I though of when that door came down on Locke's legs was that you can't cheat Fate. Locke couldn't walk before he got to the island. Maybe his fate is to not be able to walk and he's cheating fate now by walking. I wonder how long that will last? ...a little foreshadowing by the writers here, perhaps?

And last but certainly not least....what the hell was on the wall! And why did it appear? Did it have anything to do with the food drop? All that I could make out clearly in the short time that they showed it was a question mark right in the middle. And because Lost fanatics are, indeed, fanatics...no time was wasted in posting a screen print of it on-line. Here's the link, http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x17/blastDoorMap.jpg.

Edit: It looks like a map of the six Dharma stations with an arrow saying "I Am Here" pointing to the Swan. But the big question is...what's that question mark in the middle. And....what are all the little notations around the map. We need a closer look!

[Kam]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh minkey!!! that was a good one! nice call on the food drop, i am sure one of my 4,000 theories will soon come to fruition now!

that screenshot is great, the center of the island.... the group is closest to the swan station, they found two other stations... so now all the translations will being as to what he has written... so the "i am here" is pretty obvious... and am guessing not desmond, would he have ben there long enough to compile that much information? maybe the guy desmind worked with in the hatch (forgot his name already)...
and.. right above the "cu" of cubit... does that say "Possible CV II - inactive since accident" somebody has definitely been busy.... great... now am gonna stare at this all night. THANKS!


well them not pushing the wall back up i could understand with locke's obsession on the button, that would take priority over wasting any time to get the wall up off of him.

great episode, really liked it, and really interesting with the henry gale reveal at the end and, even more importantly... NEW EPISODE AGAIN NEXT WEEK!!!! wooohooo!!!

[Kam]

henry gale: the oz analogy continues to a T (i think). the wizard lands in oz and takes on the personna of the wizard. this guy lands on the island and takes on the personna of henry gale of minnesota. the question is... why? is he an Other? that might be too easy, but then again, given how difficult they've made the show, maybe they're due for a 'gimme'. but i doubt it. is he something else? do we have yet another faction on the island? and... could he possibly be related to roussea's party? she was adamant to sayid that he would be lying. she KNEW in her eyes that he would lie for a long time before sayid got to the truth.. now why would she know that? (yes, i know she's crazy and that could be a part of it too, but crazy people are like animals, they can tell when someone is truthful or not) (ok that was horrible to say, but i think i read it somewhere)

[ForeverAutumn]

Who is Nadia? This was the woman that Locke was talking to after inspecting her home. He said something about her and her husband getting a nice house and she responded along the lines of, "if I had a husband...".

Everyone over at Lost-TV is freaking out over seeing Nadia. Am I supposed to know who she is? She's important enough to get a screen cap.... http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x17/nadia.jpg

Oh yeah...the planes that flew over the hotel when Locke was entering and exiting were both Oceanic planes. Big surprise! hehehe.

[Kam]

Who is Nadia? This was the woman that Locke was talking to after inspecting her home. He said something about her and her husband getting a nice house and she responded along the lines of, "if I had a husband...".

Everyone over at Lost-TV is freaking out over seeing Nadia. Am I supposed to know who she is? She's important enough to get a screen cap.... http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x17/nadia.jpg

Oh yeah...the planes that flew over the hotel when Locke was entering and exiting were both Oceanic planes. Big surprise! hehehe.

hmmmm the name doesnt ring a bell... but she could be another tangent relation to someone on the island... has anyone had an 'almost wife'... and where is locke again in the states? arizona?

[Kam]

Oh yeah...the planes that flew over the hotel when Locke was entering and exiting were both Oceanic planes. Big surprise! hehehe.

yeap... and there were two that landed, and they made a point of showing both... landing just a few minutes apart...maybe to let us know there is another oceanic flight? another island? no... no i'm stopping the madness right there!

[ForeverAutumn]

right above the "cu" of cubit... does that say "Possible CV II - inactive since accident" somebody has definitely been busy.... great... now am gonna stare at this all night. THANKS!

It's hard to know what that says. The last word being "accident" makes sense, but when I look at it I think that it could be "occasion" also. The creaters are very smart. They knew that we would be all over that map like a bunch of hungry Losties on a food drop!

Edit: I just discovered that I can enlarge the image. That definately says what Kam suggests. And in the top left-hand corner is the word "incident". My guess is that at some point, we'll get another glimpse of this map with some of the images a little clearer. I think that we're on a "need to know" basis here and we're only gonna get little bits of this at a time.

[ForeverAutumn]

What was the name of the woman that Sayid was supposed to kill but instead helped escape? Was that Nadia?