I once was LOST... and i don't want to be found (S5)

[kexodusc]

Glad to hear that Jin and Sawyer's bare chest will be featured this season.

And I'm looking forward to equal screen time for Kate and Charlotte's bare chest...

[ForeverAutumn]

Hey guys (and gal), if you go to Sledgeweb's site and register, there's a live chat. We can chat during commercials. I'm registered as...you guessed it...ForeverAutumn.

http://lost.cubit.net/chat.php

[Kam]

i hate abc.com....

the damn episode isn't online yet.

damn birthdays.



damn time warner for not letting me install my cable card myself...

damn tivo.

i want my season premier

[Groundbeef]

Well, it was a doozy. Trying to figure out the Locke angle (is he dead?), the Danial twist with Desmond (why his mother)?, and speaking of that, was the creepy lady that talked with Ben- Danials mother?

I found Neil most annoying, and was happy that he died via a flaming arrow. Coincidently, he was wearing a red shirt.

Not sure about the Sun angle yet.

Discuss.

[kexodusc]

Well, it was a doozy. Trying to figure out the Locke angle (is he dead?), the Danial twist with Desmond (why his mother)?, and speaking of that, was the creepy lady that talked with Ben- Danials mother?

I found Neil most annoying, and was happy that he died via a flaming arrow. Coincidently, he was wearing a red shirt.

Not sure about the Sun angle yet.

Discuss.

Locke is dead, but mebbe he can be brought to life somehow? Or maybe he's in a better place.

As soon as Faraday said "mother" I knew it was the old lady...it's all coming together now...those brilliant bastards.

I'm glad Neil took a flaming arrow in the heart too. Good for that actor though - I can't think of any other characters that have got 31 seconds of air time that made me hate them so much, so fast.

Is Sun going after Jack? Sure sounded like it.

I'm starting to wonder if that Orientation Video dude is really Dr. Hanso?

[ForeverAutumn]

As soon as Faraday said "mother" I knew it was the old lady...it's all coming together now...those brilliant bastards.

I thought the same thing. It's the woman who sold Desmond the engagement ring for Penny. When we saw her last night with her blackboard, that pretty much confirmed it for me. But where was she? It looked like a Dharma station to me.

So did anyone catch the song playing on the radio when Hurley was buying the T-shirt in the gas station? It was Cheap Trick's Dream Police and the lyrics playing were "they're driving me insane. Those men inside my brain". LMAO. It's the little details like that that make this show so good.

Overall, I didn't think that this premier was as good as previous seasons. There were no real WTF moments for me, like when we discovered that Desmond was in the hatch, or the book club was The Others. I enjoyed it, but it didn't wow me.

I have a cold though and my brain is in a fog so maybe I didn't catch on to everything. I think that I'll watch it again and see if it strikes me differently the second time.

[ForeverAutumn]

Oh yeah, Ana Lucia ( ) specifically told Hurley not to get arrested. So what does he do? He runs to the cops to run away from Ben. I think that Ben will get Hurley out of jail and out of trouble and as a result, Hurley will "owe" Ben.

And I loved Hurley's confession to his mother. That didn't make him sound loony as all. Nope, not at all.

[kexodusc]

Overall, I didn't think that this premier was as good as previous seasons. There were no real WTF moments for me, like when we discovered that Desmond was in the hatch, or the book club was The Others. I enjoyed it, but it didn't wow me.

WHAAA???????
I felt this one was the best yet. The time flashing thingy's going on on the island. Blown up hatch, repaired hatch. Desmond talking to Faraday. Echo's brother's plane crashing.. Locke's leg getting hurt in that time (remember when Locke's leg was inexplicably not working well a few seasons ago??? I'm sure it has something to do with 2 Locke's in the same time.) Richard giving Locke the compass, running into Ethan. Lots of WTF moments for me...
Faraday trying to explain time travel, the DI digging the Orchid station...etc...
And that scene at the end...if Ben doesn't get them all back on the Island, God help us all...

[ForeverAutumn]

Oh man, I really need to watch it again. I've already forgotten about half of the things that you mentioned!

The cubit site has pictures of the Compass that Richard gave Locke last night and the Compass from when Richard sees Locke as a child. They are not the same. It could, however, just be a production error.

[kexodusc]

I think Ben knew what he was doing when turned that weird Time Warp wheel thingy in that cave in the Orchid. He knew he'd screw everything up for John and the gang and have a chance at returning.
Wonder if the flashes occur every 108 minutes to coincide with Desmond pushing the button in the hatch?

[Groundbeef]

I think Ben knew what he was doing when turned that weird Time Warp wheel thingy in that cave in the Orchid. He knew he'd screw everything up for John and the gang and have a chance at returning.
Wonder if the flashes occur every 108 minutes to coincide with Desmond pushing the button in the hatch?

I don't think the time thing is every 108 minutes. Remember the anology that Danial used, the skipping record?

I think that the skips are going to come faster and faster. And if the 6 don't get back before the final "skip", everything will collapse onto itself. (Here is my whacky time travel theory).

The entire LOST "universe" is in the past. If Ben can't get the 6 back to the correct "when" in time, then Ben(and Dharma) will have in fact ALTERED THE PAST. And if that happens, the time-space continuim will be changed.

And as Danial pointed out, time is like a string, They can go forward, and backward, but not change what happens. I think that by the 6 leaving, they have in effect-changed the string. And bad things are going to happen if they don't get back.

[topspeed]

I thought Faraday's analogy with the string was brilliant. What a succinct way to describe the space time continuum.

I always judge the quality of entertainment by it's ability to squeeze time. In other words, if at the end of the show I look up at the clock and am amazed two hours have flown by, I know how good it was. For this premiere, 11pm came damn quick!

Some observations:
1) Jun wants Ben dead, does she blame him for Jin's death?
2) When Richard tells Locke he's going to have to get the 6 back by dying, why would Locke's death compel them to go back? Also, why store his body in a meat locker?
3) Is the Aussie redhead (Charlotte?) going bananas like the guy in the infirmary on the freighter? She's got a bloody nose and baaad headache. What's next for her?
4) Why is Desmond special? What gives him the ability to time travel, possibly without the aid of the island?

[Kam]

ok! whew! i'm up to speed now. WOW.

i love lost.

so anyone now who does the whole 'they didn't know what they were doing' dealio with the writers can suck it, given that Ben sequence at the plane and the unexplained reason he lost the use of his legs waaay back when the first time he came there with boone. that's some darntootin' far ahead story planning right there.

the old lady at the end with ben = the old lady that was at the shop that desmond went to in his time-jump episode. right?

neil (he was the dude from the aaron burr got milk commercial) where the flock did he come from? he wasn't on that raft from before, was he one of the freighter peoples? something's up there. seems strange to have him stick out so obviously.

when Cheech sits down to watch the tv, Expose is on... wasn't that the show Nikki was on?

Could the "Voices" be the lost echoes of people travelling through the same space as the island has been time-jumping? so the voices they're hearing are actually their OWN voices from another time?

i love the way Desmond says "Brother"

[Kam]

I thought Faraday's analogy with the string was brilliant. What a succinct way to describe the space time continuum.
4) Why is Desmond special? What gives him the ability to time travel, possibly without the aid of the island?

i think because he was at the source when he turned the key. and was able to time-jump within himself, i think he's one of a kind, as farraday said, in that he alone is NOT apart of the space-time continuum. he can jump around and change things where no one else can. or at least delay or move things around, ala the delaying Charlie's death sequence. He can at least alter things in that had charlie died before, then that whole sequence in the underwater (hyrda?) station would have played out completely differently.

also... wasn't that Sun (or at least the same actress) in the opening with Dr. Sometimes-With-One-Arm? And an adorably cute baby? didn't they say babies couldnt be born on the island?

[ForeverAutumn]

1) Jun wants Ben dead, does she blame him for Jin's death?

You mean Sun. I think that she wants Widmore dead and is using the "I want Ben dead" story to get close to him and gain his trust so that she can somehow get even with him. We don't know the full conversation on the boat with Penny, but they all seemed to be convinced that Widmore was a bad guy. Hurley asks Penny if she can stop her father (I'm paraphrasing) and she said that there's no stopping him.

I love the woman that the island experience turned Sun into. That scene from last season where she sticks it to her Dad is priceless. She's got power and is hungry for revenge and I love it!

[ForeverAutumn]

when Cheech sits down to watch the tv, Expose is on... wasn't that the show Nikki was on?

Could the "Voices" be the lost echoes of people travelling through the same space as the island has been time-jumping? so the voices they're hearing are actually their OWN voices from another time?

i love the way Desmond says "Brother"

Yes, Expose is the show that Nikki was on. Interesting theory about the voices.

[Kam]

You mean Sun. I think that she wants Widmore dead and is using the "I want Ben dead" story to get close to him and gain his trust so that she can somehow get even with him. We don't know the full conversation on the boat with Penny, but they all seemed to be convinced that Widmore was a bad guy. Hurley asks Penny if she can stop her father (I'm paraphrasing) and she said that there's no stopping him.

I love the woman that the island experience turned Sun into. That scene from last season where she sticks it to her Dad is priceless. She's got power and is hungry for revenge and I love it!

Sun, i think, has had the furthest character arc by FAR. compare her now to the way she was in season 1 and wow... she's really come a long way. i guess seeing the love of your life blown up on a freighter of men sent to kill you after several months on a mysterious time-travelling island can do that to you....

[Sugar Beats]

You mean Sun. I think that she wants Widmore dead and is using the "I want Ben dead" story to get close to him and gain his trust so that she can somehow get even with him. We don't know the full conversation on the boat with Penny, but they all seemed to be convinced that Widmore was a bad guy. Hurley asks Penny if she can stop her father (I'm paraphrasing) and she said that there's no stopping him.

I def. agree with you on this FA. I think that's exactly what Sun would like, to see Widmore dead and buried.

I also concur re: Sun and the woman she's become! I'm competely interested to see what she's going to do next!

[Rich-n-Texas]

Psych!!!

[kexodusc]

Sun, i think, has had the furthest character arc by FAR. compare her now to the way she was in season 1 and wow... she's really come a long way. i guess seeing the love of your life blown up on a freighter of men sent to kill you after several months on a mysterious time-travelling island can do that to you....

Come to think of it...yeah...from young-love, to cheating on Jin, to leaving him, to going back to him, etc, etc..

Gotta say Kate has made a similar transition too, though - from hot, bad ass fugitive, to hot, single-motherly figure...she's still tough, and Sun probably still would avoid the hands-on confrontations but these characters have progressed...

I miss Charlie.

[Worf101]

I hope you know ABC rebroadcast 3 hours of LOST on Sat. night? I DVR'd the whole thing cause I missed it all last Weds. night, what an eeediot. Finally got "caught up" last night. Wow... interesting season opener....

Some observations, some theories, some questions....

1. The 6 were not supposed to leave the Island because in doing so they have created a serious rift in the Space Time Continuum.

2. If they don't get back, time, as we know it will lurch, freeze, break loose, chit da bed. They run the risk of meeting themselves or some such other glitch in the prime directive of time travel.

3. Sun is going to kill Whidmore or die trying.

4. It was Ben's boys out to get Sayid and Hurley at the crib.

5. Sayid knows that Ben's been using him to kill off Whidmore's people by saying it was Whidmore that killed his wife, actually it was Ben. They were using tranqs because they need him to be alive for the "event". Sayid wants Ben so effin' dead.

6. The Event is the deelio where the Island "catches up" or intersect "current time". And if all the refugees and Ben meet there at the same time, the STC will be "set right".

7. Was the old lady Locke's mom? Farraday's mom? Ben called her Locke so I'm assuming she's Locke's mom? Did I get that wrong?

Da Worfster

[ForeverAutumn]

4. It was Ben's boys out to get Sayid and Hurley at the crib.

This just triggered something for me. What if the "cops" that Hurley ran to to get away from Ben aren't cops at all and are Ben's men. Or...Widmore's men.

[Groundbeef]

This just triggered something for me. What if the "cops" that Hurley ran to to get away from Ben aren't cops at all and are Ben's men. Or...Widmore's men.

Interesting thought FA. I'd have to say 100% NOT Ben's guys. But it could be Widmore's guys.

The reason I doubt it's Ben's guys, is that he told the old lady that he "lost" Hurley, and couldn't get him back in 70 hours. Ben's a snake, but he does know the rules. And I don't think he's fooling around trying to get all 6 to go back at the same time.

[Mingus]

My brother-in-law gave me LOST, Season 4 in blu-ray for Xmas. The problem is I never saw Seasons 1 to 3. Will I have a difficult time understanding the story by starting out watching season 4.

[ForeverAutumn]

My brother-in-law gave me LOST, Season 4 in blu-ray for Xmas. The problem is I never saw Seasons 1 to 3. Will I have a difficult time understanding the story by starting out watching season 4.

Yes, probably. The full storyline for this show is very complex and it really starts to get crazy in Season 4, especially. If you can, you should rent (or buy) seasons 1-3 and watch them first. Not only will you be better equipped to understand what's happening in Season 4, you will also be very entertained!