I once was LOST... and i don't want to be found (S5)

[ForeverAutumn]

Oh man, I really need to watch it again. I've already forgotten about half of the things that you mentioned!

The cubit site has pictures of the Compass that Richard gave Locke last night and the Compass from when Richard sees Locke as a child. They are not the same. It could, however, just be a production error.

[kexodusc]

I think Ben knew what he was doing when turned that weird Time Warp wheel thingy in that cave in the Orchid. He knew he'd screw everything up for John and the gang and have a chance at returning.
Wonder if the flashes occur every 108 minutes to coincide with Desmond pushing the button in the hatch?

[Groundbeef]

I think Ben knew what he was doing when turned that weird Time Warp wheel thingy in that cave in the Orchid. He knew he'd screw everything up for John and the gang and have a chance at returning.
Wonder if the flashes occur every 108 minutes to coincide with Desmond pushing the button in the hatch?

I don't think the time thing is every 108 minutes. Remember the anology that Danial used, the skipping record?

I think that the skips are going to come faster and faster. And if the 6 don't get back before the final "skip", everything will collapse onto itself. (Here is my whacky time travel theory).

The entire LOST "universe" is in the past. If Ben can't get the 6 back to the correct "when" in time, then Ben(and Dharma) will have in fact ALTERED THE PAST. And if that happens, the time-space continuim will be changed.

And as Danial pointed out, time is like a string, They can go forward, and backward, but not change what happens. I think that by the 6 leaving, they have in effect-changed the string. And bad things are going to happen if they don't get back.

[topspeed]

I thought Faraday's analogy with the string was brilliant. What a succinct way to describe the space time continuum.

I always judge the quality of entertainment by it's ability to squeeze time. In other words, if at the end of the show I look up at the clock and am amazed two hours have flown by, I know how good it was. For this premiere, 11pm came damn quick!

Some observations:
1) Jun wants Ben dead, does she blame him for Jin's death?
2) When Richard tells Locke he's going to have to get the 6 back by dying, why would Locke's death compel them to go back? Also, why store his body in a meat locker?
3) Is the Aussie redhead (Charlotte?) going bananas like the guy in the infirmary on the freighter? She's got a bloody nose and baaad headache. What's next for her?
4) Why is Desmond special? What gives him the ability to time travel, possibly without the aid of the island?

[Kam]

ok! whew! i'm up to speed now. WOW.

i love lost.

so anyone now who does the whole 'they didn't know what they were doing' dealio with the writers can suck it, given that Ben sequence at the plane and the unexplained reason he lost the use of his legs waaay back when the first time he came there with boone. that's some darntootin' far ahead story planning right there.

the old lady at the end with ben = the old lady that was at the shop that desmond went to in his time-jump episode. right?

neil (he was the dude from the aaron burr got milk commercial) where the flock did he come from? he wasn't on that raft from before, was he one of the freighter peoples? something's up there. seems strange to have him stick out so obviously.

when Cheech sits down to watch the tv, Expose is on... wasn't that the show Nikki was on?

Could the "Voices" be the lost echoes of people travelling through the same space as the island has been time-jumping? so the voices they're hearing are actually their OWN voices from another time?

i love the way Desmond says "Brother"

[ForeverAutumn]

when Cheech sits down to watch the tv, Expose is on... wasn't that the show Nikki was on?

Could the "Voices" be the lost echoes of people travelling through the same space as the island has been time-jumping? so the voices they're hearing are actually their OWN voices from another time?

i love the way Desmond says "Brother"

Yes, Expose is the show that Nikki was on. Interesting theory about the voices.

[Kam]

I thought Faraday's analogy with the string was brilliant. What a succinct way to describe the space time continuum.
4) Why is Desmond special? What gives him the ability to time travel, possibly without the aid of the island?

i think because he was at the source when he turned the key. and was able to time-jump within himself, i think he's one of a kind, as farraday said, in that he alone is NOT apart of the space-time continuum. he can jump around and change things where no one else can. or at least delay or move things around, ala the delaying Charlie's death sequence. He can at least alter things in that had charlie died before, then that whole sequence in the underwater (hyrda?) station would have played out completely differently.

also... wasn't that Sun (or at least the same actress) in the opening with Dr. Sometimes-With-One-Arm? And an adorably cute baby? didn't they say babies couldnt be born on the island?

[ForeverAutumn]

1) Jun wants Ben dead, does she blame him for Jin's death?

You mean Sun. I think that she wants Widmore dead and is using the "I want Ben dead" story to get close to him and gain his trust so that she can somehow get even with him. We don't know the full conversation on the boat with Penny, but they all seemed to be convinced that Widmore was a bad guy. Hurley asks Penny if she can stop her father (I'm paraphrasing) and she said that there's no stopping him.

I love the woman that the island experience turned Sun into. That scene from last season where she sticks it to her Dad is priceless. She's got power and is hungry for revenge and I love it!

[Kam]

You mean Sun. I think that she wants Widmore dead and is using the "I want Ben dead" story to get close to him and gain his trust so that she can somehow get even with him. We don't know the full conversation on the boat with Penny, but they all seemed to be convinced that Widmore was a bad guy. Hurley asks Penny if she can stop her father (I'm paraphrasing) and she said that there's no stopping him.

I love the woman that the island experience turned Sun into. That scene from last season where she sticks it to her Dad is priceless. She's got power and is hungry for revenge and I love it!

Sun, i think, has had the furthest character arc by FAR. compare her now to the way she was in season 1 and wow... she's really come a long way. i guess seeing the love of your life blown up on a freighter of men sent to kill you after several months on a mysterious time-travelling island can do that to you....

[kexodusc]

Sun, i think, has had the furthest character arc by FAR. compare her now to the way she was in season 1 and wow... she's really come a long way. i guess seeing the love of your life blown up on a freighter of men sent to kill you after several months on a mysterious time-travelling island can do that to you....

Come to think of it...yeah...from young-love, to cheating on Jin, to leaving him, to going back to him, etc, etc..

Gotta say Kate has made a similar transition too, though - from hot, bad ass fugitive, to hot, single-motherly figure...she's still tough, and Sun probably still would avoid the hands-on confrontations but these characters have progressed...

I miss Charlie.

[Sugar Beats]

You mean Sun. I think that she wants Widmore dead and is using the "I want Ben dead" story to get close to him and gain his trust so that she can somehow get even with him. We don't know the full conversation on the boat with Penny, but they all seemed to be convinced that Widmore was a bad guy. Hurley asks Penny if she can stop her father (I'm paraphrasing) and she said that there's no stopping him.

I def. agree with you on this FA. I think that's exactly what Sun would like, to see Widmore dead and buried.

I also concur re: Sun and the woman she's become! I'm competely interested to see what she's going to do next!

[Rich-n-Texas]

Psych!!!

[ForeverAutumn]

I'm rewatching last week's episodes. After Richard removes the bullet from Locke's leg, and tells him that they next time they meet Richard won't recognize Locke, time shifts again. When it stops, Locke looks around to get his bearings. He looks for the plane and it's there. And...you can see Smokey floating around it!

[kexodusc]

When it stops, Locke looks around to get his bearings. He looks for the plane and it's there. And...you can see Smokey floating around it!

We still don't really know what Ol' Smokey is exactly, some sort of weapon/defense system? A timeline enforcer?

I read one theory that basically suggested when people jump around in time and interfere with the past, the people of that time perceive them as Smokey, some form of monster, when really they're just changing the past. Interesting, dunno if it holds up cause why did it take on Eko?

That's one of the things I want answered before it's all over...that and the magic box...

[Kam]

We still don't really know what Ol' Smokey is exactly, some sort of weapon/defense system? A timeline enforcer?

I read one theory that basically suggested when people jump around in time and interfere with the past, the people of that time perceive them as Smokey, some form of monster, when really they're just changing the past. Interesting, dunno if it holds up cause why did it take on Eko?

That's one of the things I want answered before it's all over...that and the magic box...

and the four-toed statue!!!!

i was watching evangeline yummy lilly on letterman last night. typical no-answer stuff, dave had a great moment talking about season one where everyone was thinking, oh wow, what a show, and all these mysteries surrounding the island and what's going on and what's been happening to them.... (brief pause) now it's five years later... and.... what do we know?
ahhh comedy. it's funny.... cuz it's true.

[Kam]

"you're name is charles widmore?"

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i love this show.

[ForeverAutumn]

So here's a question that has never been raised IIRC...

There's lots of speculation and discussion about who Faraday's mother is, but who (and where) is Penny's mother?

Hmmmmmm?

[Worf101]

So here's a question that has never been raised IIRC...

There's lots of speculation and discussion about who Faraday's mother is, but who (and where) is Penny's mother?

Hmmmmmm?

You have to had when to your question as well FA. Maybe her mom's that little gun totin' spitfire. Remember someone said she was "born" on the Island. Would make sense wouldn't it?

Da Worfster

[Kam]

You have to had when to your question as well FA. Maybe her mom's that little gun totin' spitfire. Remember someone said she was "born" on the Island. Would make sense wouldn't it?

Da Worfster

i think that was faraday's girlfriend who said she was born on the island. we don't know much of anything about Penny other than she loves desmond and doesn't get along with daddy widmore and can be one determined young gal when it comes to finding someone.

another question is gonna be the 'coming across themselves' time paradox thingy. in the promo for upcoming episodes, they showed Locke and crew walking through the jungle and looking over at the bright white light shooting into the sky... which i was guessing was the light from the hatch that desmond turned on while locke was pounding on the outside of the door...

[Kam]

Ok... so i'm gonna go back on my crazy off the wall prediction from a few seasons ago and change it.

RE: The Skeletons that jack found at the cave in season one when he was looking for his dad's coffin. previously i thought those would be Penny and Desmond's skeletons. Now i'm gonna say that those are Jack and Kate's skeletons.

And i'm gonna keep changing my prediction until i get it right in the end so i can say, see... i was right.

[topspeed]

Maybe Whidmore is pissed at Ben because Ben killed all his cronies with the nerve gas? If that was the Dharma folks in the mass grave, what did they do to the Brits??? Correct me if I'm wrong, but so far we've got the Whidmore's Brits, then Dharma, then the Others, then the Losties, right?

I want to know who Jacob is. Maybe Jacob is Locke from a previous time, which is why he sold himself to "Help/Save me?" The voices they are hearing are actually residuals from people traveling in the same spot, just in a different time?

It's interesting that the previous seasons used flashbacks/forwards to give background to characters and this season, they are using time jumps instead with the characters able to interact and change the scenario. What a great way to keep the continuity of the storytelling intact.

[ForeverAutumn]

From Sledgeweb's site. We all had our suspicions, but I didn't make all these connections....

Ever since last week when a time traveling Daniel Faraday told in-the-past Desmond to go find his mom, many have been speculating that his mother was the infamous Ms. Hawking. After all, they both share a love for chalkboards and math, so why not make the connection. Well, tonight we got some fairly solid proof that our suspicions were correct.

If you watched the repeat of 5x02 tonight, at the end when Ms. Hawking is shown, the popup message at the bottom of the screen identifies her as Eloise Hawking. This is the first time we've been given her first name.

So on tonight's episode a young 20-something girl captures Daniel and gang who we later find out are in 1954. The woman is referred to in the episode as Ellie. In another scene Daniel says to her "You look so much like..." and then he stops. He obviously recognized her. Our final clue that this young girl, Ellie, is not only Daniel's mom but also the temporal watcher Ms Hawking comes from remembering during last season when Daniel was doing the time experiments with the rats. His time traveling rat he gives the name of Eloise. I don't think you can shout any louder that this IS Daniel's mom.

[ForeverAutumn]

Jin's alive. YIPPEEEEEEEE!

[Groundbeef]

Jin's alive. YIPPEEEEEEEE!

Yes, but how does Ben know?

[Worf101]

Yes, but how does Ben know?

Good effin question... I'm pissed, more hunkage for FA and all I get is "Franny Forehead"... pheh... Slow episode last night but we at least see when Rouseau's crew showed up. She was preggers fore she go there and their ship went down like some others out there. Ben is the master mind f**ker in the history of modern television. What a devious chit. I want to rewind the episodes of Sayid kicking the livin' crap out of him....

I've never hated a character so much in my natural life...

Da Worfster