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    Avatar is being released on Thursday

    Is it me, or does this seem a little fast? When did the movie come out?
    Is anyone planning on picking this up? Will a 3d version be released around the corner.
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    ACK! I haven't even seen it in the theatre yet! I tried twice and it was sold out both times.

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    Only $20 for BR. I'm thinking of pre-ordering.
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    I'm pretty sure that the critics of this movie pretty much unanimously said that it wasn't that impressive, aside from the 3D. It's a story-line that's been done to death already, the acting is so-so, the special effects are nothing new, and the soundtrack is OK. While I'm sure it will do well enough just based on the fact that it was such a hit in theaters, but it does have the problem that many people have seen it already on a better screen, with better sound, and in 3D. Even at $20, is it worth it w/o the 3D?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightflier
    I'm pretty sure that the critics of this movie pretty much unanimously said that it wasn't that impressive, aside from the 3D. It's a story-line that's been done to death already, the acting is so-so, the special effects are nothing new, and the soundtrack is OK. While I'm sure it will do well enough just based on the fact that it was such a hit in theaters, but it does have the problem that many people have seen it already on a better screen, with better sound, and in 3D. Even at $20, is it worth it w/o the 3D?
    You must have better theaters where you are than we have around here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nightflier
    I'm pretty sure that the critics of this movie pretty much unanimously said that it wasn't that impressive, aside from the 3D.

    Absolutely dead wrong. Avatar was one of the most highly praised films of the year by almost every film major film critic (The New York Times; Newsweek; Time; Roger Ebert, etc.)

    Personally, I thought the movie was nothing less than outstanding. While I was very happy "The Hurt Locker" won for Best Picture, I thought the choice between it and "Avatar" was a tough one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emaidel
    Absolutely dead wrong. Avatar was one of the most highly praised films of the year by almost every film major film critic (The New York Times; Newsweek; Time; Roger Ebert, etc.)

    Personally, I thought the movie was nothing less than outstanding. While I was very happy "The Hurt Locker" won for Best Picture, I thought the choice between it and "Avatar" was a tough one.
    I think you need to brush his crap aside. Obviously he has not seen the movie(nightdummy) and relies on the word of others to shape his opinion, because he thrives on second hand information rather than thinking for himself.

    Because of the subjective nature of opinion, one has to decide for themselves whether this movie is worth purchasing. The reason for releasing a bare bones Bluray stem from the fact that Cameron wanted the best possible picture and sound for this release. If that is your forte', and extra content is not, then this will be worth purchasing if you are not interested in 3D in the near future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emaidel
    Personally, I thought the movie was nothing less than outstanding. While I was very happy "The Hurt Locker" won for Best Picture, I thought the choice between it and "Avatar" was a tough one.
    Agreed. I've been out of town all week and got in just before midnight only to discover that wifey bought me a BR copy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightflier
    I'm pretty sure that the critics of this movie pretty much unanimously said that it wasn't that impressive, aside from the 3D. It's a story-line that's been done to death already, the acting is so-so, the special effects are nothing new, and the soundtrack is OK. While I'm sure it will do well enough just based on the fact that it was such a hit in theaters, but it does have the problem that many people have seen it already on a better screen, with better sound, and in 3D. Even at $20, is it worth it w/o the 3D?
    Looks like 82% of critics aren't as unanimous as you presumed they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woochifer
    Looks like 82% of critics aren't as unanimous as you presumed they are.

    http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/avatar/
    That was for the 3D version. As the critics said, without the 3D it's pretty formulaic. Sure it was pure entertainment, and I respect people wanting that, but let's not fool ourselves, this story's been done before, the special effects were nothing new (aside from the 3D), and the acting was as expected of the actors in it.

    And just to shut lil't up, I saw about half of the movie at a party where the kids were watching it, and frankly, the party was more entertaining. Even the kids weren't all that interested and could only rave about the 3D effects they had seen in the theater.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightflier
    That was for the 3D version. As the critics said, without the 3D it's pretty formulaic. Sure it was pure entertainment, and I respect people wanting that, but let's not fool ourselves, this story's been done before, the special effects were nothing new (aside from the 3D), and the acting was as expected of the actors in it.
    The movie was designed as a total experience, not one to be parceled into small pieces. Almost all movies have been done before, so let's not fool ourselves into to thinking there are a bunch of original ideas floating around. I do not mind non original concepts being used, as long as they are done tastefully, and Avatar fits that bill.

    And just to shut lil't up, I saw about half of the movie at a party where the kids were watching it, and frankly, the party was more entertaining.
    The only thing you have told me here is that you are offering a half @ssed experience to go along with a half @ssed opinion. That is a small improvement on your usual no @ss experience with your no @ss opinion.

    Frankly, I think you are lying through your teeth.

    Even the kids weren't all that interested and could only rave about the 3D effects they had seen in the theater.
    Wow, did you ask them all, or is this just another lie to make a point. Me thinks it is the latter since you have a long history of it.
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    I liked Avatar. It was silly, hokey, formulaic, and fun. One dimensional characters, stilted acting and Sigourney in a sexy outfit. What's not to like? I'm going to buy a copy. I've got all the Star Trek movies also. So there!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightflier
    I'm pretty sure that the critics of this movie pretty much unanimously said that it wasn't that impressive, aside from the 3D. It's a story-line that's been done to death already, the acting is so-so, the special effects are nothing new, and the soundtrack is OK. While I'm sure it will do well enough just based on the fact that it was such a hit in theaters, but it does have the problem that many people have seen it already on a better screen, with better sound, and in 3D. Even at $20, is it worth it w/o the 3D?
    Well said...we were so under whelmed as this story has been beat to death...ho hum acting and no connection to the characters because the ending was so predictable. Having said that, most of the audience was smitten with the characters...but then again there were people laughing at the lame jokes in Transformers 2. Money back please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GMichael
    Is anyone planning on picking this up? Will a 3d version be released around the corner.
    You probably alreaday know this that this version will be a single disc bare bone version without even a trailer or extars. An ultimate multi discs version (non 3-D) is on schedule for November release, so you may want to hold off till then.

    If you want the 3-D version, it probably be sometimes next year at the earliest

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smokey
    You probably alreaday know this that this version will be a single disc bare bone version without even a trailer or extars. An ultimate multi discs version (non 3-D) is on schedule for November release, so you may want to hold off till then.

    If you want the 3-D version, it probably be sometimes next year at the earliest
    Isn't that how they always work it?
    1st release: bare bones movie
    2nd: Extra features
    3rd: Directors cut
    4th: 3D bare bones
    5th: 3D with extra features
    6th: 3D directors cut
    7th: 3D super duper has everything but the kitchen sink full featured directors cut with a cherry on top
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    IMHO, I think the Blu ray will look much better on my HT system than the 3D Version I saw. Not that my system is top end, just that I will have a sweet spot to view it and I felt the 3D version was not all that to began with.
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    Frankly it was a pretty stupid movie. I enjoyed it on a leave my brain at the door level when I went to the theater but thinking it over some more I could not imagine sitting through the glorified poorly acted Disney like flick again. And I was not all that impressed by the 3D which still looks like you are looking at one screen sitting in front of another screen - not seamless.

    Atomic Adam posted this review a while ago and this guy is absolutely hilarious reviewing movies. Watch his reviews on the Phantom Menace and Star Trek Generation which he calls the worst movie ever made hahaha. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJarz7BYnHA

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    Quote Originally Posted by RGA
    Frankly it was a pretty stupid movie. I enjoyed it on a leave my brain at the door level when I went to the theater but thinking it over some more I could not imagine sitting through the glorified poorly acted Disney like flick again. And I was not all that impressed by the 3D which still looks like you are looking at one screen sitting in front of another screen - not seamless.

    Atomic Adam posted this review a while ago and this guy is absolutely hilarious reviewing movies. Watch his reviews on the Phantom Menace and Star Trek Generation which he calls the worst movie ever made hahaha. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJarz7BYnHA
    Sounds like my kind of movie. I have found that whenever the critics love a movie, I end up not liking it. When they hate a movie, it turns out to be a favorite of mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GMichael
    Sounds like my kind of movie. I have found that whenever the critics love a movie, I end up not liking it. When they hate a movie, it turns out to be a favorite of mine.
    You're better off just watching Aliens - a much better movie than Avatar - even if it is 2D.

    If you're a Star Trek fan at all you have to watch his reviews of the movies. He is actually quite correct. The movies never lived up the television series ideology which is rather sad.

    Star Trek: Generations - The Stupidest movie ever made - it ruined not just Star Trek but everyyyything. I just like the slow droll the way the guy talks. Spending an evening listening to his reviews is better than most movies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RGA
    You're better off just watching Aliens - a much better movie than Avatar - even if it is 2D.

    If you're a Star Trek fan at all you have to watch his reviews of the movies. He is actually quite correct. The movies never lived up the television series ideology which is rather sad.

    Star Trek: Generations - The Stupidest movie ever made - it ruined not just Star Trek but everyyyything. I just like the slow droll the way the guy talks. Spending an evening listening to his reviews is better than most movies...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h06WK...eature=related
    I have seen Aliens many times. Just watched it again a couple weeks ago. It's one of my favorites. But I saw Generations too. As much as I've seen that movie ripped apart by critics, I still like it. I don't know why, but it entertains me. It takes me away from the real world for a couple hours.
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    I planned to skip this release and wait for the more full featured version due out in November, but the $20 pricing I see everywhere on the Blu-ray combo pack is mighty tempting. This is pretty much exactly how I said it would play out a few weeks ago. Avatar's release is an event launch, so stores are pulling out the stops to draw customers through the doors.

    Target adds another $3 discount if you buy from a list of other Fox titles, all of which are sale priced at $15. Fry's Electronics has their own offer of $25 off if you buy Avatar with a Panasonic Blu-ray player.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GMichael
    Is it me, or does this seem a little fast? When did the movie come out?
    Is anyone planning on picking this up? Will a 3d version be released around the corner.
    It only seems fast because Avatar stayed in theaters so long. Recall that it came out in early December. With movie releases so front loaded nowadays, it's very rare that you get a movie with "legs" that holds the audience from one week to another. Typically, a movie will come out, attract huge box office numbers the first week, and then drop about half of its audience the following week, and disappear from the top 10 within a month. By the time most movies come out on DVD/BD, they've been out of theaters for close to three months.

    The last big blockbuster movie that held its audience as well as Avatar was Titanic. Obviously, Cameron knows something that the rest of Hollywood doesn't.
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    You are correct I think in that most critics have literature degrees and generally look for works whether film or novels that work on many layers and or can be interpreted and reinterpreted in many ways. I have a Lit degree but I usually rail against critics that ONLY consider the "art house" film as being worthy of being quality.

    I think there can be a distinction between "art film" and "movie" the latter being an entertainment. Just like music you have "art music" (Classical) and bubble gum pop "Bananarama/Madonna) and one can enjoy one hate the other or like both.

    I look at the intent and the result. One of my all time favorite movies is Raiders of the Lost Ark. The art house critic scoffs. I don't look at Avatar with my literature eye I look at it with my Raiders of the Lost Ark eye. I didn't hate Avatar - It was enjoyable enough when I saw it in the theatre but what I saw had no humour, or impact. The sad thing for me was that this film would have been WAY better if they created characters and plot in 3 dimensions and had left the visuals in 2D. Instead, they made flat characters and flat story and use the 3D to help you forget that the story is dumb and rippoffs of better movies, and characters that are completely unforgettable. The visuals are enough on the big screen to still be enjoyable. But on a 50inch LCD or Plasma where the "experience" of spectacle is greatly reduced - the brain will focus less on spectacle and more on story and characters. Two hours and 40 minutes! I don't see it as being rewatchable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RGA
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    You are correct I think in that most critics have literature degrees and generally look for works whether film or novels that work on many layers and or can be interpreted and reinterpreted in many ways. I have a Lit degree but I usually rail against critics that ONLY consider the "art house" film as being worthy of being quality.

    I think there can be a distinction between "art film" and "movie" the latter being an entertainment. Just like music you have "art music" (Classical) and bubble gum pop "Bananarama/Madonna) and one can enjoy one hate the other or like both.

    I look at the intent and the result. One of my all time favorite movies is Raiders of the Lost Ark. The art house critic scoffs. I don't look at Avatar with my literature eye I look at it with my Raiders of the Lost Ark eye. I didn't hate Avatar - It was enjoyable enough when I saw it in the theatre but what I saw had no humour, or impact. The sad thing for me was that this film would have been WAY better if they created characters and plot in 3 dimensions and had left the visuals in 2D. Instead, they made flat characters and flat story and use the 3D to help you forget that the story is dumb and rippoffs of better movies, and characters that are completely unforgettable. The visuals are enough on the big screen to still be enjoyable. But on a 50inch LCD or Plasma where the "experience" of spectacle is greatly reduced - the brain will focus less on spectacle and more on story and characters. Two hours and 40 minutes! I don't see it as being rewatchable.
    What if someone has a 106" screen?
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