24: Day Six Discussion Thread!

[kexodusc]

I think the show needs to totally break the mold for next season. No more CTU, no more White House. Put Jack in the middle, give him a strong adversary, make the stakes personal, and build the intrigue from there. Why not end this season with Doyle double crossing him, and then have next season all about unraveling the tangled plots that run through him (perhaps involving Philip Bauer)? Instead of having yet another external WMD/terrorist threat, go back to the personal peril that defined the original Day One story arc. It seems that in successive seasons, Jack has become more and more of a caricatured super hero than the much more human character that started Day One. This season in particular, I've not had the sense that Jack was in any real danger, and that detracts from the tension. Even though it was that way in Day Five as well, that season also featured a much more interesting subplot involving the Logans.

I wouldn't mind leaving CTU behind, though it'd be risky to just drop some of the show's core characters. But, since their not doing anything Chloe, Morris, and doing very little with Buchanan, and wastefully killed Curtis just to hit a "spot" (or jump a shark depending who you ask), who cares?
I agree with your assessment of Jack. For me the show worked best when there was a bad guy who was Jack's equal, or when Jack was vulnerable. The impossible doomsday scenarios that keep out-doing the previous season are just getting silly.
Something simple, like a one-on-one good guy vs. bad guy style script for a season would probably bring the show back to earth. Or at least come up with something creative on the Phil Bauer angle.

Why do I get a feeling that this whole season is just about to come down to 2 shows which will do nothing except serve as a setup for season 7?

[topspeed]

Man, you guys are gluttons for punishment. I stopped watching after Jack disarmed the nukes. The Audrey thing was just too stupid to bare. This season stunk on ice, no way around that. Watch LOST, it's sooo much better.

Nightflier,

I assure you I'm not watching Who's Line is it anyway/Thank God You're Here. : TiVo is a wonderful thing! American Chopper, Planet Earth, Soprano's...I've got plenty of options other than this dreck.

[nightflier]

Top, I had forgotten about Tivo, so yes, then there are other options. I'm currently catching up on Jericho, although that show could use a little pick-me-up too. And I wouldn't be able to make it through this season without my magical Commercial Skip button. If I had a dollar for every SUV and Sleep-aid commercial, I'd be a rich man...

Wooch, Audrey killing Jack would pretty much end the show since w/o Jack the world will end. But even her attempting to kill him is too obvious of a plot-line, even for this season and this director. No, there's got to be something more....

Kex, is that the Enlightenment on Ubuntu penguin? I've just switched and must say Enlightenment is pretty cool - I like it even better than KDE and it's a bit faster too (sorry for the tangent, folks).

[kexodusc]

Kex, is that the Enlightenment on Ubuntu penguin? I've just switched and must say Enlightenment is pretty cool - I like it even better than KDE and it's a bit faster too (sorry for the tangent, folks).

Think it's just the Gnome Ubuntu penguin. I haven't decided which desktop manager I prefer yet...I like'em all. I like the Ubuntu distros the best just because they have the best support groups and largest user base which is great for a dummy like me with loads of questions everytime I try something new. I guess I prefer the stability of Gnome to the other desktop managers still. (though it's ugly at first until you install some eye candy) . I am not the most computer savvy person by any means, and anything that makes sense to me is safe to dub "user friendly".

Haven't played with Enlightenment much, what distro you using it with?

[Woochifer]

I wouldn't mind leaving CTU behind, though it'd be risky to just drop some of the show's core characters. But, since their not doing anything Chloe, Morris, and doing very little with Buchanan, and wastefully killed Curtis just to hit a "spot" (or jump a shark depending who you ask), who cares?

The time's right to do a total restart with the supporting cast, since the only real core character left seems to be Jack. If you look at the current cast, none of them date back to Day One (or even Day Two), and Chloe's the only one who dates back to Day Three. Too many of the interesting characters on the show have been killed off (David Palmer, Tony, Michelle, Sherry Palmer, Nina, Mandy, Curtis, Edgar, President Logan, Lynn McGill, Chapelle, Mason) or relegated to the background, and most of the replacement characters have not connected nearly as well.

I agree with your assessment of Jack. For me the show worked best when there was a bad guy who was Jack's equal, or when Jack was vulnerable. The impossible doomsday scenarios that keep out-doing the previous season are just getting silly.
Something simple, like a one-on-one good guy vs. bad guy style script for a season would probably bring the show back to earth. Or at least come up with something creative on the Phil Bauer angle.

There are only so many things that the writers can do to keep upping the ante. Day One was primarily about an assassination plot. Day Two brought in the bioterror element, Day Three introduced nukes, Day Four had Air Force One shot down and the nuclear football in the hands of terrorists, Day Five had the President himself involved in a terrorist plot, and Day Six featured the actual detonation of a nuclear device in a populated area.

So far, the best story arc on 24 has been the original assassination/kidnapping plot that covered the first 13 hours of Day One. No WMDs, no foreign terrorists. Just Jack, Kim, David, and Terri in heap of peril, and the would-be assassins holding all the cards. A return to the basics would be a great change of pace at this point.

Why do I get a feeling that this whole season is just about to come down to 2 shows which will do nothing except serve as a setup for season 7?

You're probably right about that. And if they do a good setup for Day Seven, I just hope they don't squander it like they've done the last couple of seasons. Jack faking his own death, and later getting abducted by the Chinese had the potential to take 24 in interesting new directions. But, in each case, the story reverted back to terrorist plots and Jack again running interference for CTU.

Wooch, Audrey killing Jack would pretty much end the show since w/o Jack the world will end. But even her attempting to kill him is too obvious of a plot-line, even for this season and this director. No, there's got to be something more....

Given how thinned out the supporting cast has gotten, and no one new has stepped up this season, I think killing Jack would be the end of 24 at this point. Previous years I would not have said that, since part of the persistent tension inherent in the series is that anyone can get killed off at any time, including Jack. Even last season, there were rumors that Edward Norton would join the cast midseason and eventually take over the lead role, leaving Jack's fate completely up in the air. Among this year's additions, I just can't see Ricky Schroder carrying the torch for 24 as the new lead should Jack die at the end of this season.

I hope the story arc with Audrey has more layers to it than a simple Manchurian Candidate rehash. But, given how many plot twists I've correctly predicted this season (previous years I hardly ever got the plot twists right, which to me is a very good thing), I can easily see things going in that direction.

[nightflier]

You're probably right about that. And if they do a good setup for Day Seven, I just hope they don't squander it like they've done the last couple of seasons. Jack faking his own death, and later getting abducted by the Chinese had the potential to take 24 in interesting new directions. But, in each case, the story reverted back to terrorist plots and Jack again running interference for CTU.

Well here's my wish list, along the same theme of getting back to basics:

- End this season with Jack an outlaw, Reynolds committing suicide, Chang dead, the chip lost, Chloe missing, Nadia firing Milo with prejudice, and Palmer still a vegetable.

- A meaner, less emotional Jack. I know he's been to hell, but Silver Spoons is out-bad-a**ing him right now.

- Eliminate Audrey (sorry guys, I know she's hot, but she's way too much of a winer).

- Bring back Elisha Cuthbert into the plot-line (if the baddies wanted to hurt Jack, that's who I would kidnap). Heck let's bring back a pi**ed-off one-arm Jake with a creepy hook where his hand used to be. Who will try and save her, for old-time's sake (he's still alive, right?).

- Forget about the jump-the-shark-let's-blow-up-another-city-with-nukes threat. How about some good old home-grown baddies? There are plenty of domestic groups that would qualify. How about some well-organized, religious fanatics from the Midwest?

- To add a subplot, this group could have a really creepy sadist in their midst or maybe an extreme branch of truly zealous nutjobs who want to bring about the second coming? And there is some infighting that CTU will be able to take advantage of - OK, I know, they'll just send Jack in...

- Make the puppet masters the shadow-government baddies that his father works for and introduce some of their smarter, more ruthless suits. Mr.Smith/Elrond would be a good candidate.

- Tie it to an election year (October surprize anyone? 1932 Berlin?)

- If it absolutely has to have an international element, throw in a few Cuban or Salvadoran creeps with a penchant for power tools. With all the ugly business the US has done with those nasty elements, there's got to be some material there.

- Make the president-to-be really evil but not obviously so (sorry, but having a Jim Jones look-alike just doesn't work, and Logan/Nixon was way too unstable). We need a pres who comes off as a man of the people and then turns out to be a true evil genius, completely beholden to the shadow government.

- Bring in more foreign movie stars. One of the things that rally works well is seeing faces you know you've seen somewhere, but you can't really place 'em (the russian consular-general / Denenthor, or that guy who was the mummy were both good).

- Less crying/emotions/love stories. This is CTU folks, not the OC!

- Bring back a true female adversary/counterpart (why did they have to kill off Nina?) who can go toe-to-toe with Jack w/o wining like a prima-dona. If you have to, make her butch and gay, although she still needs to be good-looking, for the testosterone-factor of the average viewer. Lucy Lawless?

- Show Jack at least taking a leak - he may be super-human, but even the toughest guys have bladders.

[nightflier]

This is the first week that no one has posted here, not even by Wednesday. I guess this last hour was not a big hit.

Think it's just the Gnome Ubuntu penguin....Haven't played with Enlightenment much, what distro you using it with?

Kex, it's always good to see someone else using Linux on the desktop, and I have almost never stumbled across anyone using Enlightenment, hence my curriosity. Unfortunately I'm stuck using Winslows at work, but I have Xubuntu at home, and a laptop running Elive, which is a distribution specific to the Enlightenment desktop but that is nearly impossible to download for free (not very GPL-compliant, if you ask me). The Xubuntu is set up pretty much for multimedia & design - it's where I get to create stuff. If you like the Ubuntu way, but want to give Enlightenment a whirl, you might want to check out Elbuntu.

P.S. I started a new thread asking people what OS/Browser they were using:
http://forums.audioreview.com/showth...435#post190435

[kexodusc]

This is the first week that no one has posted here, not even by Wednesday. I guess this last hour was not a big hit.



Kex, it's always good to see someone else using Linux on the desktop, and I have almost never stumbled across anyone using Enlightenment, hence my curriosity. Unfortunately I'm stuck using Winslows at work, but I have Xubuntu at home, and a laptop running Elive, which is a distribution specific to the Enlightenment desktop but that is nearly impossible to download for free (not very GPL-compliant, if you ask me). The Xubuntu is set up pretty much for multimedia & design - it's where I get to create stuff. If you like the Ubuntu way, but want to give Enlightenment a whirl, you might want to check out Elbuntu.

P.S. I started a new thread asking people what OS/Browser they were using:
http://forums.audioreview.com/showth...435#post190435

Hey Nightflier, I have Xubuntu on my "old P3 1 GHz" machine I use basically as a web browser/media server. Funny how Window XP slowed that thing to sluggish crawl after a few years - Xubuntu runs lightning fast. It's simple, easy and really makes you ask questions about how much computer power we really need these days.

[kexodusc]

I actually thougth this week's show was much better than we've seen lately. I liked the angle with the President's cheating girlfriend slipping the Russians info inadvertently, but thought they wasted an opportunity to do more with it by just sending her off to feed bad info to the Russians.

The whole Audrey/Jack thing - predictable, but not terrible.

The Doyle releasing Jack and motivating Nadia to do the right thing - bleeechh! Predictable, but oh well. Wasn't terrible until Doyle said "you did stand up to them when it counted" or whatever..

I'm kinda curious how they're going to wrap this all up in a few shows. Maybe it'll get really good really quick. I like that Audrey's Dad freaked out at him, so he loses another person in his life. Jack's always the victim. Poor guy.

Man, Jack's doing alright for a guy just back in the USA after months of torture, psychological shock, physical exhaustion and injuries, and no sleep or food for 21 hours.

[Woochifer]

I will say that this week's episode was a bit longer on character development than we've seen recently, but for whatever reason it didn't really strike me until Jack's encounter with Secretary Heller. Great scene between those two.

It seems that things are kind of floating along, with few real surprises. Daniels' assistant was the obvious "spy" but at least the writers put a little twist in there by making her an inadvertent conspirator. This week was not nearly as bad as last week, but the storyline still hasn't created any real buzz from the plot restart. (Of course, in Day One, it took about four weeks before things started rolling again after Jack killed Gaines and rescued his family)

The only revelation left I think is Jack being the real father of Marilyn's son (since it seems that she's about to reenter the picture this week), and then we'll see if Jack's curse extends over to them before the clock strikes 6am.

I have a feeling that Daniels will remain the prez next season, but whether that's consequential to the storyline remains to be seen. I read an LA Times interview with Executive Producer Howard Gordon indicating that he has some possible major changes to the series in the offing for next season. And a NY Post article had another producer admitting that they did not do enough advance planning for this season, and basically tacked on the plotline with Audrey.

Separately, executive producer Howard Gordon promises to "reinvigorate" the series next year.

"I don't dispute it's been a challenging season to write for us," he told the Los Angeles Times this week. "But it's reinvigorated our determination to reinvent the show. This year could be seen to be the last iteration of it in its current state."

He declined to say what the changes would be.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/05032007...am_buckman.htm

Should be interesting to see what changes they make to the series because next season will supposedly tie in with a 24 movie slated for theaters next summer.

Either way, it looks like the Jack-CTU-White House triumvirate formula will go by the wayside for Day Seven. It remains to be seen if the "real time" element also gets tinkered with. I hope it stays, but at this juncture the series as we know it needs to give way.

Still four hours to go, but we're already speculating about next season! (Seems like the producers have already thrown in the towel for this season as well) Except for Day Three, I can't think of another season where I wasn't on pins and needles anticipating the next plot twists as the season finale drew closer. Oh how the might have fallen!

[kexodusc]

I will say that this week's episode was a bit longer on character development than we've seen recently, but for whatever reason it didn't really strike me until Jack's encounter with Secretary Heller. Great scene between those two.

It seems that things are kind of floating along, with few real surprises. Daniels' assistant was the obvious "spy" but at least the writers put a little twist in there by making her an inadvertent conspirator. This week was not nearly as bad as last week, but the storyline still hasn't created any real buzz from the plot restart. (Of course, in Day One, it took about four weeks before things started rolling again after Jack killed Gaines and rescued his family)

The only revelation left I think is Jack being the real father of Marilyn's son (since it seems that she's about to reenter the picture this week), and then we'll see if Jack's curse extends over to them before the clock strikes 6am.

I have a feeling that Daniels will remain the prez next season, but whether that's consequential to the storyline remains to be seen. I read an LA Times interview with Executive Producer Howard Gordon indicating that he has some possible major changes to the series in the offing for next season. And a NY Post article had another producer admitting that they did not do enough advance planning for this season, and basically tacked on the plotline with Audrey.



http://www.nypost.com/seven/05032007...am_buckman.htm

Should be interesting to see what changes they make to the series because next season will supposedly tie in with a 24 movie slated for theaters next summer.

Either way, it looks like the Jack-CTU-White House triumvirate formula will go by the wayside for Day Seven. It remains to be seen if the "real time" element also gets tinkered with. I hope it stays, but at this juncture the series as we know it needs to give way.

Still four hours to go, but we're already speculating about next season! (Seems like the producers have already thrown in the towel for this season as well) Except for Day Three, I can't think of another season where I wasn't on pins and needles anticipating the next plot twists as the season finale drew closer. Oh how the might have fallen!

Good points. Nice to see the EP owning up to the difficulties of this season. I don't think they're happy with the way it panned out either. Should provide motivation for a better season next year. I hope. At this stage of the game I'm just hoping for a great setup for next year, and even a mediocre conclusion to the trainwreck that was Day 6 would be an accomplishment. Not the worst TV I watch, but sad because of the potential the show has.

I'm kind of curious as to how they might tie this in to the movie their planning though. Seems to me the best "24" could be on the big screen is a take on "Speed". Been there, done that. Maybe with some drama from the show to help it out. I just hope that Day 7 doesn't stumble and serve only to setup the film.

I hope you're right about the overhaul, the Jack/CTU/White House paradigm was growing stale in Day 5. Time to maybe switch settings and leave them out of it.

LOL...Why do I have a feeling Day 7 is going to start in a "Prison" somewhere (China?) with the first few shows being about Jack and some friends trying to "Break" out???

[nightflier]

... the Jack/CTU/White House paradigm was growing stale in Day 5. Time to maybe switch settings and leave them out of it.

Yes, especially since in the real world, presidents are rarely if ever involved in operational logistics of a specific agency, much less that they would actually be discussing strategy with an agent over the phone. Fact is, there are usually several layers of insulating middlemen between politicians and field operatives.

As far as next season, let's see this directors grow some cojones and take Jack to some far-off place like Afghanistan. It needen't be expensive either as there is plenty of scenery in the Southwest US that could be convincing enough for a full-scale movie set. I also wouldn't mind more of a hunter-hunted (a la Apocalypto) adrenaline scenes. Make Keifer earn his big fat paycheck.

Kexo, if you like Kubuntu, check out ZenWalk Linux. Another very nice distribution based on kfce that is slick, zippy, and very well supported without all the bloat of so many other distributions (although it does hail from France, if you're political about that kind of stuff). Vive la différence!

[Groundbeef]

Yes, especially since in the real world, presidents are rarely if ever involved in operational logistics of a specific agency, much less that they would actually be discussing strategy with an agent over the phone. Fact is, there are usually several layers of insulating middlemen between politicians and field operatives.

As far as next season, let's see this directors grow some cojones and take Jack to some far-off place like Afghanistan. It needen't be expensive either as there is plenty of scenery in the Southwest US that could be convincing enough for a full-scale movie set. I also wouldn't mind more of a hunter-hunted (a la Apocalypto) adrenaline scenes. Make Keifer earn his big fat paycheck.!

I think the interaction between the prez and a field agent is the least of 24's problems. More immediate would be the constant mole/spy action in both the administration, and the CTU. If we are going to nitpick I would think those 2 items would be a bit higher on the food chain.

But that FBI guy that sold secrets to the Soviets for years, so I suppose it could happen.

Better yet, maybe Jack can discover where the castaways are on LOST. Now that would be something. A little cross network promotion!

Either way, this season has been more disapointment than excitement. Hopefully they can rework the formula, and come up with something a little more 1) Exciting, 2) Somewhat plausible.

At this point, in season 7, Jack will have to be launched into space to destroy a rouge astroid, D/L the schematics of the Space Station to his SPRINT PDA, and also single handly innoculate all of India for the bird flu pandemic spead by the "shadow government" for ill defined reasons. All in "Real Time". I can hardly wait.

Better yet, Jack can in season 7 find and rescue the "Losties" on LOST. A little cross network promotion.

[nightflier]

Groundbeef, isn't there another thread about Lost? With all the talk about everyone on the island being dead, that thread must be buzzing like a hive....

I sure hope tonight's episode pulls things together. Still no indication that Jack's father will return, although his brother's ex-wife returning may be an indication of this. And I also hope that Audrey does something more than say "Save me, Jack" 'cause that's getting old. Apart from that, there's no much else to tidy up. Daniels' assistant will probably be killed off, back in LA Chang's got nothing to work with and everyone else flew back to the bat cave, I mean, CTU.

Am I missing anything?

[Groundbeef]

Groundbeef, isn't there another thread about Lost? With all the talk about everyone on the island being dead, that thread must be buzzing like a hive....

Yep, there is. I was just thinking of ways for 24 to pull itself together. Kind of a 1970's "Very Special Episode" were 2 shows get together, to bump up ratings. At this point 24 really needs some help.

[Groundbeef]

What is it with CTU? Apparently anyone can either just waltz into the place through the front entrance, and now apparently the "sewer" is a free pass as well.

Even my wife was rolling her eyes at that one.

THANK GOD Milo is dead. I hope that Cloe gets it next. If I have to put up with any more stilted lame ass Jr. High Love Drama I'm gonna puke. Since when can you shoehorn in two (2!!!!) love stories into a "1" hour time span? And what is the point? I am willing to overlook the Jack/Audrey angle because they have a history.

And whats up with Grandpa? First hes happy as a clam to kill of the ole' grandson, now he's going to kidnap him to China? This just doesn't cut it. At this point, I think each writer is taking a piece of paper out of a jar. It has phrases like, CTU MOLE, Kidnap Grandkid, Morris & Chloe Breakup, and then they try to pencil them into the story line.

AHHH I hate this season.

[kexodusc]

Actually, I thought last night's episode was easily the best since the season premiere. Too little too late, but at least it had a bit of intrigue.
Attacking CTU from the sewer makes sense, it's probably the least guarded side of the building.

Milo getting offed was wicked - a complete and totally pointless, wasteful death that surpassed Jack killing Curtis and is the perfect symbolic representation of Day 6.

My hope now is that all of CTU gets destroyed/killed, and Jack is left alone as a prelude to the next season. If they can pull that off, they'll salvage Day 6. It'll still be the worst season, but at least not a total waste.

[nightflier]

Milo getting offed was wicked - a complete and totally pointless, wasteful death that surpassed Jack killing Curtis and is the perfect symbolic representation of Day 6.

I agree that last night's episode was a notch up, and Milo getting wacked was very predictable. From the moment I saw the hesitation from Nadia, and him standing up, I said he's a gonner. Anyhow he was becoming a tired third wheel. It also is the most realistic thing that happened last night. In the real world, when terrorists take over a building with hostages, they never hesitate to kill someone, after all they hardly know the people they're holding. Only in Hollywood do they make this an emotional affair.

Another nice angle is that Chang is proving to be a decently believable bad guy. He's calculating, decisive, almost Machiavellian, and he has the power to back it up, both political and tactical. I sure hope they will keep him around. He certainly is believable as a counterpart to Cromwell's character, Phillip, although it's starting to look like a forced repeat of the Fayed-Gredenko dichotomy jumping sharks again. Now I'm still not convinced that he's just going to give the Chinese the chip and sail off to China. Maybe he'll redeem himself and kill Chang, but at this point, I think that's a long-shot prediction.

CTU getting attacked again? Even after the last time this happened? Yes that was cliche - and through the sewers with direct access to the inside of the building, of all things, yeah, right, that's realistic. And it was painfully obvious they were not at the warehouse and that CTU was the only viable target they could have been discussing. I thought the "package" was Jack, but his son, oops, I mean his brother's son makes for a good "package" too. Let's hope they kill his mommy off, because I also can't sit through another Jack love affair.

I also thought that making Daniels sit through his girlfriend having to bump fuzzies with her boyfriend was precious. There's nothing more emasculating to a wanabe powerful man than to make him watch that. And after that aliens-have-landed-in-the-Florida-keys flop that she ruined last year, she's still a bad actress. I'm sorry, but she came off all tough and ruthless when she was the VP's only squeeze a few hours ago, and now she's freakin out? Sorry, but at that level of power, you do what you have to. She's looking at the death penalty or life-behind-bars, and she has a way to fornicate her way out of it? Heck even straight guys would sleep with her boyfriend for that. And of course, he knows he's been caught, duh!

Let's hope some more shadow-government baddies show up again before the end of the season. I really doubt they are going to let it out that they were behind the leak to the Ruskies, so my guess is that they will be sending a "cleaner" over to sanitize the apartment. How about a guest appearance from Michael Madsen? He's been kind of stuck doing B-movies and shows, so I'm sure he's available. And he has the type of screen presence to put some much needed Tabasco back into the stew. He would certainly make a good counterweight to Silver Spoons, for next season.

[Groundbeef]

I also thought that making Daniels sit through his girlfriend having to bump fuzzies with her boyfriend was precious. There's nothing more emasculating to a wanabe powerful man than to make him watch that. And after that aliens-have-landed-in-the-Florida-keys flop that she ruined last year, she's still a bad actress. I'm sorry, but she came off all tough and ruthless when she was the VP's only squeeze a few hours ago, and now she's freakin out? Sorry, but at that level of power, you do what you have to. She's looking at the death penalty or life-behind-bars, and she has a way to fornicate her way out of it? Heck even straight guys would sleep with her boyfriend for that. And of course, he knows he's been caught, duh!.

Actually, I don't think he was watching on video. They guy from Ally MacBeal was in for the show though. It was pretty funny watching him twiddle his thumbs.

[Woochifer]

Yep, there is. I was just thinking of ways for 24 to pull itself together. Kind of a 1970's "Very Special Episode" were 2 shows get together, to bump up ratings. At this point 24 really needs some help.

Sheez, you seem to want 24 to REALLY jump the shark! (But, I guess if the show's already jumped, they might as well make the leap worthwhile!)

All we need now is for Ted McGinley to replace Kiefer Sutherland, Fehrooz (from Day Four) to hit puberty, Chloe to announce she's pregnant, and the whole 24/ cast to reunite for a season ending Christmas special, and we'll pretty much hit the entire shark jumping trifecta!

[Woochifer]

I actually thought things had stepped up a notch as well until I started thinking ... wait a minute ... wouldn't it have been easier for Philip Bauer to just wait for Marilyn and Josh to go out the front door of CTU and abduct Josh at that time? Why have Cheng's mercenary squad shoot up CTU just to have a Bauer family reunion? I guess we'll have to wait and see what Philip's real plan is.

The tension was good, there were surprises (did not expect Milo to go down, and did not expect that kidnapping Josh was the objective), but it seems that no matter what the writers try on for size, they're hampered by a bad setup, since these plot twists don't make sense when you consider their context. Looks like bringing back Audrey was yet another wasted opportunity.

We'll see over the next couple of weeks whether they can situate 24 for an interesting Day Seven setup. At this point, it's all positioning for next season.

[Groundbeef]

Sheez, you seem to want 24 to REALLY jump the shark! (But, I guess if the show's already jumped, they might as well make the leap worthwhile!)

All we need now is for Ted McGinley to replace Kiefer Sutherland, Fehrooz (from Day Four) to hit puberty, Chloe to announce she's pregnant, and the whole 24/ cast to reunite for a season ending Christmas special, and we'll pretty much hit the entire shark jumping trifecta!

Hey, if we can get them all to sing a "group" musical # I think we have a winner.

Speaking of Chole, at first her 'grimmace' was kinda endearing, and funny. As of late, it actually looks like she is constipated, and needs to bolt to the bathroom less she soil herself. I hoping they tone it down. My wife and I laugh just about evertime she gives 'the look'.

[kexodusc]

I said it before, but does anyone doubt that Morris sacrifices himself for Chloe, thus redeeming himself for wussing out vs. the terrorists earlier in the day?
Well, I suppose he might not get killed, maybe he'll turn into the new Edgar/hero now that Milo's dead.

[nightflier]

I said it before, but does anyone doubt that Morris sacrifices himself for Chloe, thus redeeming himself for wussing out vs. the terrorists earlier in the day?
Well, I suppose he might not get killed, maybe he'll turn into the new Edgar/hero now that Milo's dead.

No I think Morris is a likable character, in a CTU kind of way. He'll probably be back next season.

Any thoughts on this last episode?

[topspeed]

FYI, just read that 24 has been contracted for another 2 seasons. Also, they are planning major revisions to the whole premise of the show, although I doubt they'll ditch the increasingly incredulous fascade of "real time." Changes include taking the action out of Los Angeles (finally!). The producers say they were planning a series overhaul all along and this is not in response to the battering the series has taken both by the press and the ratings. Suuuuure...

I haven't been watching the show, but from glancing at some posts, it sounds like just about everyone but Jack is dead.

Good.

CTU was the most porous organization on the planet. Moles? Sure! Terrorist infiltration? No problem!

Ugh.

This would be a great opportunity to utilize Jack as a Jason Bourne type of rogue spy. I'd also like a few Euro sites and take the show global, although perhaps they are saving this for the 24 movie? 'Course, after this season and the declining ratings, you have to wonder if the movie still has the green light.

Whatever they do, at least we know it couldn't get any worse than Day 6.