Has censorship come to this board?

[Mwalsdor_cscc_edu]

Well said. I'll admit that mixing moderating with active participation has it's downside, but as mentioned our contributions stand [or fall] on the integrity and insight of the individual behind the mask/monikor.

MikE

[skeptic]

our contributions stand [or fall] on the integrity and insight of the individual behind the mask/monikor.
MikE

And if that's all there is to it, you are absolutely correct. But when the moderator uses his power to delete postings that he can't refute by logical (or illogical) arguement, this is intellectually 100% disingenuous and an outrageous abuse of his power. And according to the reports in the locked thread, that is exactly what Jon Risch did at CA and would presumably do anywhere else he had the power. That makes it absurd for anyone IMO to go there to discuss anything or look for objective debate and decide for yourself based solely on the strenght of the arguements. But then if you do decide to go there anyway, it's your nickel.

[Steve Eddy]

Having myself been banned from Cable Asylum and the last person on this planet who would ever kiss Jon's ass, I have to say again that I think that those of you who believe that Jon and Rod are part of some cable industry conspiracy are just as wacked as Jon is.

It's really quite simple. Jon is a megalomaniac and Rod ain't got no balls. That's it. There is no sanctuary. There is no conspiracy.

And if anyone cares to reply to this post, don't expect a response any time soon. This place is still a slug. Granted, I'm only at 28.8, but this place is inexcusable.

I've found diyAudio.com to be the best game in town. It's what Rod once claimed was his vision for Audio Asylum. While it's actively moderated, the moderators are more than fair and they don't discriminate based on their own political dogma or what your name happens to be (i.e. John Curl).

se

[skeptic]

And if anyone cares to reply to this post, don't expect a response any time soon. This place is still a slug. Granted, I'm only at 28.8, but this place is inexcusable.

As I said the last time the wicked witch of the North flitted in, sprayed his scent, and flew off saying he wouldn't be back, no loss as far as I'm concerned.

He's got 28.8 and calls this place a slug? What a laugh! Wadya expect from someone who's got two first names?

[happy ears]

It is good to hear that most moderators do not have a problem being a debater. As long as they keep the two functions separated there should not be a problem. However when they use the power as the moderator to their advantage this becomes underhanded and unacceptable. If this is the exemption we will have to live with it but if it gets out of hand something should be down. Hopefully we will not have to deal with the latter.

Endless flame wars and name calling achieves nothing for anyone involved with this site. Well maybe some humor at the expense of the debaters. Limiting cable discussions to positive experiences is not debating or discussing an issue, this is a forum for discussions. If I am allowed to comment on my positive experiences I will also comment on my negative experiences, as well as when I note no differences. Anyone that makes blanket statements tend to raise red flags, also anyone that keep pushing one manufacture’s name and product is also suspect.

As I have noted and stated that I have found some differences with interconnects, some better some worse and at other times no differences between similar products. As well, I attempt to explain testing procedures that where used. Using the tape out on my integrated amplifier has a larger affect than the cables do. I suspect that there is an operational amplifier in this circuit and I use the word suspect as I have never opened it and checked.

Now, if I am to explain why these differences exist, we will need a front end loader because a shovel will be tool small to clean up all the bs. Having a grade 9 electricity course that I took 30 years ago does not make me qualified to offer an explanation. I have read some information on this topic, some of it makes sense at times, most of it is above my level of understanding and some of it sounds like bs. At my limited level of knowledge on this topic I do not appreciate reading garbage, it wastes my time!

I also understand that many people will not hear the differences that I do, there can be many reasons for this. First off they might not hear the differences, do not care about the differences or are unwilling to pay for the differences. I have never considered myself to have golden ears, if I did some thief would steal them. I do believe that I hear the differences, as other audio nuts like me tend to hear similar differences and this is a very vague statement. I wish I didn’t hear the differences as small as they an be at times or learn not to chase audio nirvana.

Have to agree with you, how can 3 feet of shielded power cord affect the sound of any audio component. I can understand shielded interconnects with there low level signals, but not power cords. There is 25 feet of standard electrical cable between the circuit breaker panel and the plug my stereo is plugged into. In fact, I only tried this when I noticed my MGE UPS used shielded SJT 14/3 power cord. Did not notice any change in sound using a shielded power cord on my CD player. However, using different power cords on my integrated amplifier did show some differences but this may not all be the result of the shield. Mentioned this to my friend and again he had some choice words to explain what I told him, come on over and see for yourself. We preformed a simple test, I just plugged in three different power cords into the integrated amplifier, he could not see what cord. The stock cord was 16/3 SJT, the UPS power cord shielded SJT 14/3 and one from an audio store 12/3. He guessed all three cords by the sound and even commented that he thought the stock cord know sounded substandard, yet the week earlier he thought it sounded fine. The most distinct difference that was noted that when there was no music being played the background sounded darker (blacker) never understood this statement previously. Playing music seamed to have the affect of being faster and more accurate, the difference between the MGE shielded power cord and the exotic audio store cable was small. These differences could be the result of the heavier gauge wires used in each power cord or a combination of the heavier gauge and better shielding. Should there be a difference, not with my limited knowledge always believed wire was wire, is it not. You want an explanation you better get a big shovel, a powered shovel would work the best

Then the price subject was discussed, his reply was that he could justify the cost increase between the stock cable and the MGE shielded power cord. However, he could not justify the tenfold increase for the exotic audio power cord, although it was the best, the price did not justify the improvement. So now again we have noted differences with the integrated amplifier and no differences with the CD player. Positive and negative results, will they work for you. My answer there is maybe, will it be better or worse maybe, will it work with all my components it didn’t for me. Is it worth the money, I have always stated fancy audio cables are grossly overpriced. Can I justify the price of the MGE power cord, yep no problem there finding them is the biggest job. And, as always if you do not hear a difference do not spend your money, this applies to spending ten a hundred or a thousand dollars. I still will recommend purchasing Radio Shack interconnect over what is supplied with stock equipment, reliability is an issue with me. Cables can make a small difference not always for the better but a difference, is it worth the price not for what they are asking for the fancy stuff. Chop the price by a factor of five or tens times and I will say maybe. I do not know why, it should not be, how is this possible. You want a explanation you will have to tell me first how big is the powered shovel you plan to use, because it will be bs and only bs. Has anyone else noted changes be they better, worse or none at all. Gee, another long winded reply, damn need some days off or a change in location. Snowing ever day or two is becoming a pain in the ass and it is cold to boot.

Have A Great Day and enjoy the music, life is to short.

Happy Ears

[skeptic]

It seems to me that I always have to give the same advice again and again over time because maybe some people didn't read it the times before. IF you want the PERFECT power cable, (I don't recommend diy projects for power cables so have a qualified tech or electrician do it) make it out of the same wire your house is wired with, Romex for most homes, BX for some. It is also among the cheapest material to obtain. Now if you are truely crazy and are going to tell me that you think the outlet is affecting your sound system, have the same electrician hard wire it instead of using a plug. You could get a 20 amp wall switch, 60 or even a 100 amp safety switch and only the hot leg is switched. The neutral is either wire nutted or screwed to a terminal block. Now if you can relocate your equipment so that it is 3 or 4 feet closer upstream to your circuit breaker panel than you are now, you will have ELIMINATED the power cord completely compared to what you have now. Why don't cable manufacturers make their audiophile cables out of Romex? Because everybody knows exactly what it is and you can't charge an arm and a leg for it.

[happy ears]

Oops, sorry about that guys wrong post, must be a scientist.

Need an Electrician to hook up detachable power cords? Should we not call the dealership when we have a flat tire and only use licensed mechanics to install our spare, this is also a safety issue. Buy my electrical outlets at Home Depot, but I guess I could save some money by checking Walmart. Usually very busy store, got to give them credit on there advertising and success.

Have A Great Day