Just wondering....

[JohnMichael]

From what I saw, all Trayvon had on was a grey hoody and jeans. In the picture in the store he looked like a thug to you?

I have reached a point as a member that markw is not worth the time arguing unless you want to debate him. He takes the bully pulpit more than anyone and is too rigid in his thinking. He is why I moved your thread to the Steel Cage. I have to deal with my own sadness over recent events and reading what he thinks is not helping with my healing. Prejudice is alive and well in this country and I miss France.

[frenchmon]

The media certainly is.

If you read my other posts ere you'll see one where I posted a link where two back guys who shot a baby in the face in is stroller.

Bull ****...the two guys got charged with murder.

I posted another where three (assumed fron te neighborhood it took place in) where three, count 'em THREE, black guys beat a 70 ear-old man with a baseball bat for accidentaly tappingtheir car while parking. ...he later died.

ow about the one where two black kids chased a random 13 year -old white kid in Oklahoma to his porch, threw lighter fluid (or gasoline) on him, hlit im on fire, and said something like "You deserve this, whitey".

Please note that in all three cases, whitey was outnumbered at least two to one. Now, if that's not thuggery on parade, I don't know what is.

So, where's the media coverage for this?

Drop it. I can dig up more unreported black on white crime if you really want.

I cant find any reference to the other stories so I wont believe them until I see reference. But still....thats not to say the law is going soft on black guys. Thats total bull ****!

Oh, check out this link. You'll see the prosecutor threw out a black juror. You'll love the reason why.

Who cares...that has nothing to do with my conversation with you as to why Martin was a thug in your eyes.

[frenchmon]

Now that Rachel Jeantel using her fifteen minutes of fame hitting the talk show circuit and she's not under oath, she's letting out some interesting tidbits.

It appears there may have been some bigotry involved after all, but it's not white on black

If you want to get aother perspective on what happened that night, rather than my posting any one of the many links on this, go to google and type in the following: "trayvon thought zimmerman was gay". Take your time reading the links that are returned.

Good going, Jenteal. You're doing Trayvons reputation real good.

Enjoy your fifteen minutes.

that came out in the trial...where you not watching?

[markw]

So, if you're sayin that if you're black it's OK to "whup arse" on someone you think is gay? OK That's a new take.

And the funny part is here I am arguing with one of each. Ironic, isn't it.

Well, it's obvious that at least two people here won't be swayed by facts. The baiters won.

One last time, it ain't about race. It's about one guy viciously attacking another who, unknown to the first, was armed. In spite of the biased media and the professional race-baiters, justice prevailed.

It's too bad some of this country, particularly our racist administration, can't admit that and work hard to set the races against each other, even more than they were ten years ago.

You might be interested to hear Ted Nugents take on this

Enjoy your lives of hatred and bigorty, boys. You made it yourself and you've earned it.

In the words of Paul Simon.
"I am just a poor boy
Though my story’s seldom told
I have squandered my resistance
For a pocketful of mumbles
Such are promises
All lies and jest
Still, a man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest"

[Hyfi]

Hyfi..im with you! I watched every minute of the trial, and the prosecutor's blew this one. I could have done a better job and got Zimmerman at least on MS charges. But they had not a clue. The case wasn't that hard either. Zimmermans statements showed so many lies it aint funny. And how in the hell did they not get at least one black person on the jury? That just not right....thats total BS.

But to tell you the truth, from listening to juror B37, Martin never had a chance. Did you see her on CNN? They never even considered anything about Martin really...from what she was saying, they believed Zimmerman was innocent from the get go.

Frenchmon, I watched as little of this crap as I could help. I happened to be on vacation one of the weeks and my friend that I stayed with is addicted to bad news so it was on some of the time, just the news parts and clips of the trial. I would never waste my precious time on this circus act. You knew what the outcome was going to be from the beginning when GZ was not arrested and charged with something on day 1.

There was no jury of piers and certainly not enough of them. Can't Florida afford to have 12 like the norm? It does turn out that TM was a thug of sorts BUT he was also profiled by a wannabe tough guy who should really have been at the gym or a Weight Watchers meeting and not playing tough guy with a gun. That is one reason I seldom carry even tho I have a permit. If it has to come out of the holster, it is most likely going to be used.

If your going to be a Watchman, then Watch and report. He should have never left his car.

Now I am still confused as to how this is even a black and white issue when GZ is Latino, not white. But it does not matter, Big Brother wants the races divided and the lines between to remain. If not, they would not be in place.

Anyway, as pointed out several times earlier, and I for one agree with Mark in almost all of his points, this media circus was designed to captivate people with no life that can be sucked in and swayed at the drop of a Big Mac. It was used to divert the whole countries attention from real travesties going on in the US as well as those the US is responsible for in other countries around the world.

Like Mark points out from his neck of the woods, I get totally depressed every morning when I turn on the local news to hear about all the killings overnight. Many of these are more horrific and gruesome than the TM-GZ case but you hear about it once and it's on to the next crime. The majority of the ones reported are black on black or black on white. That may or may not be part of the Media Game but it is pretty easy to check out the statistics and they are not easy to dispute.

The one case around here getting some attention is where they demolished a building and part of it fell on a Salvation Army store killing several shoppers. The guy running the equipment was on pain killers and pot (which by itself I have no issues with) and the stupid Demo company did not follow the protocols and make sure all surrounding businesses were empty. The operator did not look like he was qualified to be a Street Bum, but he had a nice high paying job running heavy equipment. The Building Inspector committed suicide after the incident and the operator is charged with the deaths of the shoppers. This to me is far more important and will have more effected outcome than a racially motivated, profiled and stalked, Murder when the tables got turned on a wannabe Ahole.

As I stated earlier, the best outcome of this case is that if I stalk someone and they turn the tables on me, I can shoot to kill and walk. It is a big win for us gun toting crazies, don't you agree?

[Feanor]

Feanor...when Zimmermans lawyer said that I was floored....and for you to repeat it shows you dont know what you are talking about. So all of a sudden the law is going soft on black guys who kill white guys? Is THAT what they do in Canada? Because it sure aint where I live. That was a stupid thing to say.

NO, I did not imply that "the law is soft on black guys who kill white guys": that is entirely your mis-construction. As for knowing what I talking about, I know what CNN and MSNBC convey; I can't pretend to see things like a typical black American.

When the case first broke I got the sense that many black Americans believed that an innocent, unarmed black youth had been callously gunned down by a white guy, and that the latter was getting away with it mainly on account of their respective racial affiliations. If I'm wrong about that, you can let me know. So what I did imply was that the prosecution of a white guy, (a "white Hispanic" as a black lady on MSNBC put it), proceeded mainly because of black Americans' sensitivity, not mainly on account of the FACTS on the ground.

The demonstrable FACTS that emerged pertaining to the Martin/Zimmerman encounter clearly didn't not prove murder. Did Zimmerman "profile" Martin? More likely than not. Should Zimmerman not have pursued Martin, especially after being told not to? Obviously. But the former can't be proven and isn't (as yet) a crime; the latter is not (as yet) a crime. What IS a crime is assaulting a person: knocking him to the ground, punching him, and beating his head on the ground; the assaulted person may defend himself against such an potentially assault with available means. This is the way the local police interpreted the crime scene -- and this is what the demonstrable FACTS support. (If you don't like the facts and would prefer to go with your "gut" about what happened, then you are an enemy of just criminal process.)

As for Canada, as I explained in earlier posts, Zimmerman would not have be allowed to carry a gun and would not have a stand-your-ground defence. Any neighbourhood watch person who shoot a person would be charged with manslaughter at least as a matter of course, and the burden of proof would have shifted heavily to him to show self-defence required shooting. Even if he succeed to prove self-defence, he would face separate, serious firearms charges that would send him to jail.

Does profiling of young black males happen in Canada? I suspect so in certain areas of the country.

[frenchmon]

So, if you're sayin that if you're black it's OK to "whup arse" on someone you think is gay? OK That's a new take.

You about as stupid as they come! But thats nothing new. You stupidity shows in you saying what you just asked me above. I never said that. You said that as if I was saying that.

And the funny part is here I am arguing with one of each. Ironic, isn't it.

No thats not the funny part....not at all...the funny part is you are listening to spin put out by Rush! By Rush of all people....hahahahaha...boy, he has you hook line and sinker! Rush???!!! You have no credibility....Rush?!?!...hahahahaha! Maybe its not funny after all, but just down right stupid to follow the greatest spin doctor on radio! Hahahahaha!

Well, it's obvious that at least two people here won't be swayed by facts. The baiters won.

Especially if you get it from Rush...hahahaha! And you're stupid!

One last time, it ain't about race. It's about one guy viciously attacking another who, unknown to the first, was armed. In spite of the biased media and the professional race-baiters, justice prevailed.

Oh those are the facts? How do you know Trayvon attacked Zimmerman? Where you there? Because the two little scratches on Zimmermans head really dont show what you call a vicious attack. More like whoop AZZZ!

It's too bad some of this country, particularly our racist administration, can't admit that and work hard to set the races against each other, even more than they were ten years ago.

Oh yeah...what about you? You seem pretty racist it seems.

You might be interested to hear Ted Nugents take on this

You are more stupid than I first thought! You listen to Ted Nugent? Hahahahahaha! Boy you are stupid as all get out! So let me understand this....you look at FoxNews....You get your Gospel from Rush....and you are a follower of Ted Nugent!....hahahahahaha....that is just down right funny as hell....Markw...calls throwing out the race card but follows 2 people and a news program that are known to spin everything. Hahahaha! Foxnews, Rush, and Ted Nugent, are doing everything they can to take this country to slave days, but you follow them! And all 3 are doing everything in their power to disenfranchise minorities...and you are right there with them.....hahahahah MARKW Exposed for what he is....A RACIST!

Enjoy your lives of hatred and bigorty, boys. You made it yourself and you've earned it.

No....you are the one thats bitter! When you see a person with a hoddy, you automatically think he is a thug! Thats sad.....I know people like you....you see a black guy with a hoody on and automatically think he is up to no good. We all know you have been exposed...you are the racist! We can all tell it by your remarks...deep inside you cant stand people of color....you listen to Rush, follow Ted Nugent, and watch FoxNews....and spit hate words out against black people in hoody's.

In the words of Paul Simon.
"I am just a poor boy
Though my story’s seldom told
I have squandered my resistance
For a pocketful of mumbles
Such are promises
All lies and jest
Still, a man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest"

If Paul Simon knew a person such as yourself was using his words, im sure he would ask you to stop! Simon is about peace and love...two things you know nothing about!

For all those who are reading this...please excuse my behavior here but some one needs to call MARKW out for what he really is...a BIGOT and a racist!

I'm done in this section to return no more.....I signed on to this forum to talk audio....and got side tract by the case...not to argue with such people as MARKW, who obviously dont have a clue into the make up of minorities....or the rights of people,but only wants to keep minorities and others down as long as he can...people like him walk around talking about "taking this country back"...and saying "Obama was not born in the USA" and other foolish things hate peddlers and race batters do.

[frenchmon]

NO, I did not imply that "the law is soft on black guys who kill white guys": that is entirely your mis-construction. As for knowing what I talking about, I know what CNN and MSNBC convey; I can't pretend to see things like a typical black American.

When the case first broke I got the sense that many black Americans believed that an innocent, unarmed black youth had been callously gunned down by a white guy, and that the latter was getting away with it mainly on account of their respective racial affiliations. If I'm wrong about that, you can let me know. So what I did imply was that the prosecution of a white guy, (a "white Hispanic" as a black lady on MSNBC put it), proceeded mainly because of black Americans' sensitivity, not mainly on account of the FACTS on the ground.

The demonstrable FACTS that emerged pertaining to the Martin/Zimmerman encounter clearly didn't not prove murder. Did Zimmerman "profile" Martin? More likely than not. Should Zimmerman not have pursued Martin, especially after being told not to? Obviously. But the former can't be proven and isn't (as yet) a crime; the latter is not (as yet) a crime. What IS a crime is assaulting a person: knocking him to the ground, punching him, and beating his head on the ground; the assaulted person may defend himself against such an potentially assault with available means. This is the way the local police interpreted the crime scene -- and this is what the demonstrable FACTS support. (If you don't like the facts and would prefer to go with your "gut" about what happened, then you are an enemy of just criminal process.)

As for Canada, as I explained in earlier posts, Zimmerman would not have be allowed to carry a gun and would not have a stand-your-ground defence. Any neighbourhood watch person who shoot a person would be charged with manslaughter at least as a matter of course, and the burden of proof would have shifted heavily to him to show self-defence required shooting. Even if he succeed to prove self-defence, he would face separate, serious firearms charges that would send him to jail.

Does profiling of young black males happen in Canada? I suspect so in certain areas of the country.

Fenor...who saw these so called facts:

knocking him to the ground, punching him, and beating his head on the ground;

That is only what I want to know from you now...who saw Trayvon knock him to the ground and punch him and beat his head into the ground?

Kindly answer that please.

[Hyfi]

Why did they not make GZ squeal like a baby and then use Voice Analyzing software to determine if it was a match of the recording? They have that technology available and it has been used in the past.

[markw]

Uhhh, Frenchy, I hate to tell you this, but I honestly believe that everyone here is fully capable of reading this entire thread and deciding for themselves who the real racists and bigots are. Not everyoe needs a Jackson, Sharpton, or Holder to tell them how to think or are that easily swayed by emotion.

I'm not goig to do a line-by-line dissection of your rambling, incoherent post. It wouldn't do any good. Haters gonna hate.

But, if you really, really want to learn something, view the clip in this link but, somehow, I think this was covered in the Paul Simon quote in my previous thread.

It's funny: You started this thread, gleefully reporting eery instance where you thought they would "get Ziimmerman", even whe the newscaters weren't so confident. My main input was on how the media handled this i such a one-sided fashion. AS the rrial progressed, your glee diminished ad for a long tome you didn't really say anything. But, when all the facts were in and the jury ruled, then you went off on that "they hate blacks" thing again. Yeah, tell me again who is the racist.

[frenchmon]

Why did they not make GZ squeal like a baby and then use Voice Analyzing software to determine if it was a match of the recording? They have that technology available and it has been used in the past.

Judge would not let it in...she says technology is not good, and no case law on it. But the surprising part about it....was the guys who do that sort of stuff had already did it, and determined it was Trayvons scream.

Any body who believe Zimmerman is living in a different world. Right up to the shot you heard the scream. According to Zimmerman, the gun was inside his pants,,,in the holster over his back pocket, (So how did Trayvon see it) while he is laying on his back, with Trayvons hands over his mouth and nose, and at the same time screaming like a 17 year old as he is pointing his gun at his chest and then Martin says he continued to scream as he pulled the trigger? Makes no sense....Zimmerman doing the screaming for help as he points the gun?

[frenchmon]

Uhhh, Frenchy, I hate to tell you this, but I honestly believe that everyone here is fully capable of reading this entire thread and deciding for themselves who the real racists and bigots are. Not everyoe needs a Jackson, Sharpton, or Holder to tell them how to think or are that easily swayed by emotion.

I'm not goig to do a line-by-line dissection of your rambling, incoherent post. It wouldn't do any good. Haters gonna hate.

But, if you really, really want to learn something, view the clip in this link but, somehow, I think this was covered in the Paul Simon quote in my previous thread.

You see...I never mentioned any of those guys...you did. Proves you have issues with them because they seek civil rights for minorities and ethnic groups in this country and you cant take it!

We know what you are...one of those older white guys who cant take the fact that the country is changing and people like you are being left behind....you're scared to death. You cling to your guns...yeah that makes you feel like a big man...when actually your an old white bigot! and I dont feel sorry for people like you, because you should know better.

You hate to see black people or any minority or gay person with power or have rights....you're a racist and a funking bigot...go ahead, have the last word as all Bigot's do. I'm done for sure.

[Hyfi]

Yeah, Voice technology is no good but asking people to identify someone via a recording is way more reputable. All second hand accounts are way better than making the defendant take the stand and answering questions under oath in his own words.

See now you know why this whole case was just a Media Circus Act to distract the public at large from REAL issues. The whole case was a joke from the time of the shooting.

Now, if you followed any of the clips Mark linked, specially the first one, you would have seen the history of both individuals. TM was a no good drug addicted thug in reality, but GZ did not KNOW that at the time.

[Hyfi]

You see...I never mentioned any of those guys...you did. Proves you have issues with them because they seek civil rights for minorities and ethnic groups in this country and you cant take it!

Sorry, but I also have issues with people like Sharpton who got involved in the Twanna Brawly issue where she smeared dog sh!t on herself and jumped into a trash can and then blamed it on Whitey. Credibility goes way down for these guys when they jump on that kind of band wagon.

By the way, I am also a Gun Toting Middle Aged (Older) White Guy. I cling to my Legally Purchased and Licensed guns. I cling to my Right to have a Permit to Carry. And now after this case, I will cling to the fact that I can more easily defend myself if I choose. I don't have issues with blacks or gays in a position of power IF they earned it and were not just hired and pushed up the ladder due to Affirmative Action.

[markw]

You see...I never mentioned any of those guys...you did. Proves you have issues with them because they seek civil rights for minorities and ethnic groups in this country and you cant take it!

We know what you are...one of those older white guys who cant take the fact that the country is changing and people like you are being left behind....you're scared to death. You cling to your guns...yeah that makes you feel like a big man...when actually your an old white bigot! and I dont feel sorry for people like you, because you should know better.

You hate to see black people or any minority or gay person with power or have rights....you're a racist and a funking bigot...go ahead, have the last word as all Bigot's do. I'm done for sure.

You see, those race-baiters control the hearts and minds of a goodly percent of "your people", and the media gives them the forum to do so. ...and so many blindly follow them blindly, right back into the ground from which they were rising, at least until Obama took over. Are you part of that percentage? It surely seems so.

Did you view that link? Nooooo.

Yeah, you're done ...right

[frenchmon]

Sorry, but I also have issues with people like Sharpton who got involved in the Twanna Brawly issue where she smeared dog sh!t on herself and jumped into a trash can and then blamed it on Whitey. Credibility goes way down for these guys when they jump on that kind of band wagon.

By the way, I am also a Gun Toting Middle Aged (Older) White Guy. I cling to my Legally Purchased and Licensed guns. I cling to my Right to have a Permit to Carry. And now after this case, I will cling to the fact that I can more easily defend myself if I choose. I don't have issues with blacks or gays in a position of power IF they earned it and were not just hired and pushed up the ladder due to Affirmative Action.

Hyfi, you and I are about the same age...I have a gun, and have no issues with legal rights of any race... you never came off as a racist or bigot either. Let me give you the test.....did you think Trayvon was a thug because he wore a hoody? And do you have a problem with blacks because they are black or problems with civil rights for gays?

[Hyfi]

Hyfi, you and I are about the same age...I have a gun, and have no issues with legal rights of any race... you never came off as a racist or bigot either. Let me give you the test.....did you think Trayvon was a thug because he wore a hoody? And do you have a problem with blacks because they are black or gays?

Do I think TM was a thug only because he wore a Hoody? No, but I do have issues with a whole generation of young people who strive to dress like thugs. Hoodies in 90 degree wheather, pants falling down, hats on sideways and so on. Today, white kids are all now trying to dress like the black kids and blast the most horrid music from their cars trying to draw unnecessary attention to themselves. It makes both races look like idiots and thugs.

Do I have problems with Black people or Gays just because they are Black or Gay? No but I have problems with those who choose to remind us about it any chance they get. I don't like it used as a Reverse. I do not preface my conversation with weather I am White or Straight and I don't think anyone else needs to do it the other way around. I have issues with Affirmative Action and those given a free pass.

I have several Gay friends and work mates. One of my work mates went from a Guy to a Gal over the last 2 years. I don't care as long as they are happy. I get good home decor and cooking tips from one of my gay couple friends.

I really think you are overly dumping Mark into a Label or Labels because he has continued to point out things that were wrong with this whole trial. As far as where he gets his news from, ALL News Outlets are funded and swayed by a political agenda and money. If you believe otherwise, you could be the fool here. You nor anyone else can dispute the fact that this whole case was blown way out of proportion and turned into a media circus to distract the mainstream from far more critical issues. Again, if you don't believe that....

[Feanor]

That is only what I want to know from you now...who saw Trayvon knock him to the ground and punch him and beat his head into the ground?

Kindly answer that please.

That is what GZ contended: witnesses' testimony could not refute it and the crime scene evidence tended to support it, not refute it.

Get you mind around the fact that GZ MIGHT of been guilty of shooting Martin when that wasn't necessary for self-defence BUT THAT WAS NOT PROVEN, so he walked.

[Feanor]

You see...I never mentioned any of those guys...you did. Proves you have issues with them because they seek civil rights for minorities and ethnic groups in this country and you cant take it!

We know what you are...one of those older white guys who cant take the fact that the country is changing and people like you are being left behind....you're scared to death. You cling to your guns...yeah that makes you feel like a big man...when actually your an old white bigot! and I dont feel sorry for people like you, because you should know better.

You hate to see black people or any minority or gay person with power or have rights....you're a racist and a funking bigot...go ahead, have the last word as all Bigot's do. I'm done for sure.

I'm an old, white guy who would be very sorry indeed to see certain changes. One of the changes I hate to see would be "affirmative action" in the criminal process: viz. waiving the requirement of proof beyond reasonable doubt where there is black alleged victim and a white alleged perpetrator. This is what many black Americans seemed to want in the case of the Zimmerman prosecution.

[markw]

Anaybody want a good example of why blacks don't seem to get looked at the same as other races?

Check out this video.

Oh, yeah. That's really gonna turn out well for all blacks, isn't it?

Frenchy, I'm being serious here. Your people are doing this to themselves. The same laws apply to both races. Have you any idea how may blacks walk on technicalities after commiting henious crimes? No...

Hell, the thug who beat ahd kicked the shiite out of that tiny woman in the Milburn home invasion a few weeks ago had been in and out of jail for violent crimes TWELVE times before that happened. and they're harder on blacks harder than whites?

[Hyfi]

Anaybody want a good example of why blacks don't seem to get looked at the same as other races?

Check out this video.

Oh, yeah. That's really gonna turn out well for all blacks, isn't it?

Frenchy, I'm being serious here. Your people are doing this to themselves. The same laws apply to both races. Have you any idea how may blacks walk on technicalities after commiting henious crimes? No...

Hell, the thug who beat ahd kicked the shiite out of that tiny woman in the Milburn home invasion a few weeks ago had been in and out of jail for violent crimes TWELVE times before that happened. and they're harder on blacks harder than whites?

LOL, "we are not even citizens in this country, we are 3rd class citizens" This guy needs some serious education. And yes, they give themselves a bad name.

OK so here is one in reverse. Last year at the 50th anniversary Puerto Rican Day parade in Philadelphia, a huge black State Trooper "Sucker Punched" a skinny little woman because he "thought" she threw something at him. It was caught on tape so there is no questions like there are in the GZ case. Guess what? He walked and got his job right back. He got the Free Pass!

Watch the far left of video at 6 seconds in.

LiveLeak.com - Philadelphia Cop Sucker Punches Woman (comments)

Some of the comments at the bottom are spot on.

[frenchmon]

Do I think TM was a thug only because he wore a Hoody? No, but I do have issues with a whole generation of young people who strive to dress like thugs. Hoodies in 90 degree wheather, pants falling down, hats on sideways and so on. Today, white kids are all now trying to dress like the black kids and blast the most horrid music from their cars trying to draw unnecessary attention to themselves. It makes both races look like idiots and thugs.

What do you mean today??? Hell they been doing it for years.

Do I have problems with Black people or Gays just because they are Black or Gay? No but I have problems with those who choose to remind us about it any chance they get. I don't like it used as a Reverse. I do not preface my conversation with weather I am White or Straight and I don't think anyone else needs to do it the other way around. I have issues with Affirmative Action and those given a free pass.

I have several Gay friends and work mates. One of my work mates went from a Guy to a Gal over the last 2 years. I don't care as long as they are happy. I get good home decor and cooking tips from one of my gay couple friends.

I really think you are overly dumping Mark into a Label or Labels because he has continued to point out things that were wrong with this whole trial. As far as where he gets his news from, ALL News Outlets are funded and swayed by a political agenda and money. If you believe otherwise, you could be the fool here. You nor anyone else can dispute the fact that this whole case was blown way out of proportion and turned into a media circus to distract the mainstream from far more critical issues. Again, if you don't believe that....

I am tired of people blaming everything on the news service....we all know they cover stories that's going to make them money, and they will put spin on it...but facts are facts no matter what.....as far a MW....I know people like that.....In my 50 + years of living as a black man, who has been called the N work on more than a few accessions by whites, who has been denied certain things due to me because of my skin color....who has been racially profiled by white people and harassed by the cops because of my skin color......I can smell people like MarkW a mile away.

Because of income me and wife make, we live in middle class hoods...where the nicer homes are, and the majority are white....my kids attend majority white schools , and I can tell you, her age group cant care less about racial problems...they think its silly which it is. But on the night GZ was proven not guilty, people in my majority white hood started popping fire crackers....sorry Hyfi, this is no ill towards you at all, but just my take on markW and the silliness of it all. GZ went free....do I think he is really guilty? Yes....Do I think he lied ...Hell yes....do I think the prosecutor messed up? Heck yes. Did the jury over look important information and mess over the facts...yes they did. Its interesting juror 37B came out and she is not the brights tool in the shed...and then the 4 other jurors distanced them selves from her....and juror 29 has yet to say a word. I bet she is the one who initially saw GZ guilty and I bet she was the only one to give in at the end before she fell to pressure and I bet she was the minority on the jury.

[Hyfi]

Frenchmon, I am not blaming the outcome on the media. I am blaming the media for its dis-service to America by blowing this whole thing into a circus act and televising the whole thing to distract us from bigger issues AND to keep racial tensions high. It makes for more good news.

Now on to the N word. Why is it OK for blacks to constantly call each other the N word but as soon as Whitey says it all hell breaks loose?

I guess I am a Cracker, so what.

Again, I am not following any of what the jurors have said and posting in this thread along with reading a few headlines is the most attention I will waste. It's more out of boredom and I like good debates.

As per my post and link above, it does not even matter if something is caught on tape to prove the guilt.

[JohnMichael]

Wow one small group speaks for an entire population. Westboro Baptist Church speaks for all Christians. The Hell's Angels represents all motorcycle riders. Neil Patrick Harris and Nate Berkus represent all gays. K. D. Lang and Gordon Lightfoot are like every Canadians, eh. Now I know where to send my lightly used white sheets.

[Hyfi]

Wow one small group speaks for an entire population. Westboro Baptist Church speaks for all Christians. The Hell's Angels represents all motorcycle riders. Neil Patrick Harris and Nate Berkus represent all gays. K. D. Lang and Gordon Lightfoot are like every Canadians, eh. Now I know where to send my lightly used white sheets.

Just like all the "Good Muslims" just sit back and let the bad ones define who they are. Complacency is not the answer and Black People in general should rally to shut the Black Panthers down. But they support them instead so that is how they are defined. And I can only guess you are implying that ONLY the Panthers feel that way and all other black people think something different from that statement???