Islam: Our Partners in Peace...

[Hyfi]

It's a perfect example of why this site has gone from a thriving community a few years ago to a small, incestious few that get their jollies attacking religion.

Thats bull! This place died the first week after they upgraded to Vb and that was years ago.

Also, this out of the way Steel Cage forum was created for these types of off topic conversations.

And what about the jollies that the believers get telling the rest how wrong they are for having no religion or the wrong religion? That part is ok, right?

[markw]

Thats bull! This place died the first week after they upgraded to Vb and that was years ago.

Also, this out of the way Steel Cage forum was created for these types of off topic conversations.

And what about the jollies that the believers get telling the rest how wrong they are for having no religion or the wrong religion? That part is ok, right?

So, who is proselytising here? All I ever see is athiests glad-handing each other.

[Hyfi]

So, who is proselytising here? All I ever see is athiests glad-handing each other.

Maybe you should go back and read the whole thread. You will find several claims from MrP as to the 4 gospels contradicting each other and his justification of it. But in reality, neither of the 4 were even in the place and circumstances that they write about and go by here say alone.

If you have some backing data as to why you are right and others are wrong, post it. You don't because there is nothing d4rfinative either way, it's all faith or skepticism.

[markw]

Maybe you should go back and read the whole thread. You will find several claims from MrP as to the 4 gospels contradicting each other and his justification of it. But in reality, neither of the 4 were even in the place and circumstances that they write about and go by here say alone.

If you have some backing data as to why you are right and others are wrong, post it. You don't because there is nothing d4rfinative either way, it's all faith or skepticism.

One person? Did he force it down your throats or was it in response to questions?

...big difference.

Now, as for the religion bashing, that starts of it's own free will, over and over. Like you said, re-read this thread.

If it wasn't for that and SVI, this place would be a morgue. I hopw the owners are proud.

[JohnMichael]

I can only speak for myself when I say I think it is easy to bash religion when I see fundamentalism of any religion as a source of many problems in the world today. From suicide bombers to murdering doctors for performing abortions. I am very troubled by those who try to force their beliefs on me by passing laws that restrict my right to marry. I do not like what many churches teach about me. Some churches still teach that you can be forgiven for killing a man but straight to hell for loving one. Where is the love in those teachings. I could go on about the negative impact organized religion has had on my life but I will spare you.

[markw]

I can only speak for myself when I say I think it is easy to bash religion when I see fundamentalism of any religion as a source of many problems in the world today. From suicide bombers to murdering doctors for performing abortions. I am very troubled by those who try to force their beliefs on me by passing laws that restrict my right to marry. I do not like what many churches teach about me. Some churches still teach that you can be forgiven for killing a man but straight to hell for loving one. Where is the love in those teachings. I could go on about the negative impact organized religion has had on my life but I will spare you.

You don't have to spare me. I don't judge, but I do have strong feelings about some things. As for marriage, this is an institution that has gone on in it's current form since the beginning of time and, if history is any indication, it's been quite successful in preserving the species. I really don't see any cause to change it. Already legal ramifications are starting to be seen here.

As for nuts bombing abortion clinics, how many can you count? I'll bet there are more pedophile/homosexual priests abusing children, not to mention prison rape. Don't even get me started on NAMBLA.

As for homosexuals in society, have at it but don't try to convince me, or my children that it's normal. It's an aberration of nature, nothing more, and should be accepted as such.

As for your going to hell for your preferences, that's between you and your god, nobody else. Take it up with him/her/whatever. But, if you don't believe in one, unless the local townsfolk attack your castle with pitchforks and torches, why should what others believe bother you? Remember, sticks and stones...

[JohnMichael]

Mark thanks for hitting a new low in your defense of religion. You proved my point so well. Oh and if you care to be educated homosexuals are not pedophiles. Homo's are men who date other men and pedophiles like children who have not started puberty. Most pedophiles are straight and are not concerned about the gender of the child just that they are truly innocent. As far as priests are concerned they certainly are not the only religious group molesting children. As far as NAMBLA being brought into this I now know you for what you are.

[Hyfi]

You don't have to spare me. I don't judge, but I do have strong feelings about some things.

We all have strong feelings about politics and religion

It's a perfect example of why this site has gone from a thriving community a few years ago to a small, incestious few that get their jollies attacking religion.

That sounds like judgment. It is OK that Christians have traveled the world telling everyone that their way is the only way and if you don't change you will be judged. But when a handful of people question it and press for more than "you either believe it all or you don't really believe, they are an insestious group of people.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

You don't have to spare me. I don't judge, but I do have strong feelings about some things. As for marriage, this is an institution that has gone on in it's current form since the beginning of time and, if history is any indication, it's been quite successful in preserving the species. I really don't see any cause to change it. Already legal ramifications are starting to be seen here.

Mark, I have stayed clear of this argument, but your Neanderthal like perspective is pretty troubling. Marriage has been going on since the beginning of time, but so has rape, racism, and several other things. Considering the fact that the divorce rate sit firmly at 50%, one has to doubt whether this model is all that successful. All of my siblings have gone through a divorce, and I am the only one that didn't. We have 6 billion folks on this planet, so procreation has done its job, and is pretty much through as an excuse for keep things "as it is". Straight folks have done wonderful things with marriage(turns sarcasm button off). The institution is truly in a state of dysfunction, and at this point, it is not a beacon of light you are trying to make it.

There are legal ramifications in any divorce, so that is a flimsy excuse for not allowing same sex marriage.

As for nuts bombing abortion clinics, how many can you count? I'll bet there are more pedophile/homosexual priests abusing children, not to mention prison rape. Don't even get me started on NAMBLA.

If even one person dies from a abortion clinic bombing, that is too many. Most prison rapes are done by those who consider themselves straight in society. Rape in prison is not about sexuality, it is about control. Unfortunately gays are victims of prison rapes far more than the are perpetrators.

As for homosexuals in society, have at it but don't try to convince me, or my children that it's normal. It's an aberration of nature, nothing more, and should be accepted as such.

If it is such an aberration of nature, then why can you find it in nature so much? How many gays have to be created by God(man is his creation) and put on this earth before it becomes acceptable? There are millions of gays all over the world, and that is a lot of aberrations - is nature becoming dysfunctional? More and more are being born each day, so why does God let this happen if it is an aberration? Nobody on this planet who is gay wants to waste their time trying to convince you of anything, they have their lives to live.

Since you are not God, no one really has to accept anything just because you state it. Your proclamations are just your opinion, and that should be taken with a bag of salt. No where in the Bible does God or Jesus mention anything about homosexuality, so this is nothing more than the opinion of man, or laws created by man to control man.

As for your going to hell for your preferences, that's between you and your god, nobody else. Take it up with him/her/whatever. But, if you don't believe in one, unless the local townsfolk attack your castle with pitchforks and torches, why should what others believe bother you? Remember, sticks and stones...

This I agree with.