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That's a part of it but it's more of a "mating" of two bloodlines to pass the best of their genes, and possibly beliefs, on to another generation, not to mention financial /political continuity. That's why marriage has traditionally been between a man and a woman, for all societies, since the beginning of time. That's the reason for the male/female pairing, not raw sex per se.

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Did you ever stop to think why religions preach male/female marriage to have children as you say? Maybe it's the same reason they frown upon suicide.

If you pump out babies, and don't kill yourself, more money goes into the collection plate. And lately, lots of that money is going to lawyers defending priests who have homosexually raped the male youth of their own churches.

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Originally Posted by Hyfi

Did you ever stop to think why religions preach male/female marriage to have children as you say? Maybe it's the same reason they frown upon suicide.

If you pump out babies, and don't kill yourself, more money goes into the collection plate. And lately, lots of that money is going to lawyers defending priests who have homosexually raped the male youth of their own churches.

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Hebephilia refers to the sexual preference for individuals in the early years of puberty (generally ages 11–14, though onset of puberty may vary). Girls typically begin the process of puberty at age 10 or 11; boys at age 12 or 13. Hebephilia differs from ephebophilia, which refers to the sexual preference for individuals in later adolescence,[1] and from pedophilia, which refers to the sexual preference for prepubescent children.[2] While individuals with a sexual preference for adults (i.e., teleiophiles) may have some sexual interest in pubescent-aged individuals,[3] the term hebephilia is reserved for those who prefer pubescent-aged individuals over adults. The term was introduced by Glueck (1955),[4] who later credited it, without citation, to Paul Benedict.[5]

Debate is ongoing over whether hebephilia is a mental disorder, with Ray Blanchard and a number of his colleagues from CAMH arguing for its inclusion in the DSM-5.[6] The proposal has been criticized by Richard Green,[7] Allen Frances,[8] Michael First (DSM-IV editor),[8][9] Karen Franklin,[10] Charles Allen Moser,[11] William O'Donohue,[12] and other mental health professionals on various grounds. The current draft of the DSM-5, on which Blanchard serves as as Chair of the Paraphilias Sub-Work Group,[13] includes Blanchard's proposal.[14]






I think we need to be accurate on our terms. Homosexuals do not rape male youth. They are busy looking for a consenting adult who would love to have a loving relationship. There are many same sex couples who have loving, committed, supportive relationships. They have the same hopes and dreams as their straight counterparts.

Please do not confuse homosexuals with pedophiles or hebephiles.

[QUOTE=Sir Terrence the Terrible;360956]Mark, I have stayed clear of this argument, but your Neanderthal like perspective is pretty troubling. Marriage has been going on since the beginning of time, but so has rape, racism, and several other things. Considering the fact that the divorce rate sit firmly at 50%, one has to doubt whether this model is all that successful. All of my siblings have gone through a divorce, and I am the only one that didn't. We have 6 billion folks on this planet, so procreation has done its job, and is pretty much through as an excuse for keep things "as it is". Straight folks have done wonderful things with marriage(turns sarcasm button off). The institution is truly in a state of dysfunction, and at this point, it is not a beacon of light you are trying to make it.

* > Mr Peabody replied here> Uh, T-bone, either you weren't divorced because you were never married or your wife doesn't care if you are a straight up adulterer..... What's that you say P? What about the girl friend with the tattoo you kicked to the curb? Where she fit in with your model citizenship? You say you have kids that watch cartoons with you and on other posts your kids graduated top of the class at top colleges in the world, you need to take notes to your lies in order to keep yourself straight.

There are legal ramifications in any divorce, so that is a flimsy excuse for not allowing same sex marriage.

* > Mr Peabody replied here> We shouldn't allow it because marriage was never intended for same sex.

If even one person dies from a abortion clinic bombing, that is too many. Most prison rapes are done by those who consider themselves straight in society. Rape in prison is not about sexuality, it is about control. Unfortunately gays are victims of prison rapes far more than the are perpetrators.

* > Mr Peabody replied here> I agree that bombings and other violence is wrong and God would never approve nor does the Bible teach such things. Christians are to rebuke error in love and humility.

If it is such an aberration of nature, then why can you find it in nature so much? How many gays have to be created by God(man is his creation) and put on this earth before it becomes acceptable? There are millions of gays all over the world, and that is a lot of aberrations - is nature becoming dysfunctional? More and more are being born each day, so why does God let this happen if it is an aberration? Nobody on this planet who is gay wants to waste their time trying to convince you of anything, they have their lives to live.

* > Mr Peabody replied here> God created man but he did not make them gay.

Since you are not God, no one really has to accept anything just because you state it. Your proclamations are just your opinion, and that should be taken with a bag of salt. No where in the Bible does God or Jesus mention anything about homosexuality, so this is nothing more than the opinion of man, or laws created by man to control man.

* > Mr Peabody replied here> Better read that Bible again. Sounds like yours had some creative editing.

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In addition, which is it Terry, on one hand you are the poster choir boy and here on this post you make the athist statement "bout homosexuality, so this is nothing more than the opinion of man, or laws created by man to control man". Funny statement for a self professed Christian on other threads. Again, better start taking some notes. Funny you call every one else liars when you can't back up what you say but you have more inconsistencies than any one else here.

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If this is just a repost without being obvious what you have added it will be deleted. Take credit for your additions. No additions no duplicate post.

FA, Christians believe God is man's creator and as such there are things we as human will not understand while on this earth. Christians also believe that God will answer their prayers in accordance with His will. I can not answer why God allows some to die and some to live in a disaster. Why some live to a ripe old age while others don't get past their teens. Some of the latter has to do with man having free will, a world where greed and disregard of others runs rampid.

Hyfi, you are the one who claimed the Bible contradicted itself. I disagree it does whole heartedly.

Tithing is not binding today. Priests in the Old Testament had to come from the tribe of Levy. Other tribes were commanded to tithe 10% of whatever they did for a living to support the Levitical Priesthood. It was most likely rarely money, more likely grain, sheep, etc. Today in the NT Christians are told to take up a collection on the 1st day of the week to support their work. You will not find a corporate structured church in the Bible. Each congregation was autonomous. Christians are told to give as they have prospered and purpose in their heart. Matthew, Mark, Luke & John were with Jesus and witnessed to His life on earth. Again, I can't understand why you forward and hold true the fantasy you read over the Bible. If you put that much effort into reading and studying the Bible you'd find it coincides with secular history pretty well.

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If this is just a repost without being obvious what you have added it will be deleted. Take credit for your additions. No additions no duplicate post.

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I thought so too initially... but he actually completely disagrees with Sir T in the body of the post...

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I thought so too initially... but he actually completely disagrees with Sir T in the body of the post...

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I saw the differences and I was wondering why he did not take credit for his part of the post. He made it look like it was just a repost.

I thought the replies automatically had a different font. How are you supposed to show your replies?

I know you go behind and love to delete my posts JM, i wouldn't mind so much if you were fair and did that to other people. I guess I should be flattered you take that much interest or dislike to them. You say you know Markw by his statements as I know you by your actions. Too bad others on this forum don't know just what a weasel you are. Up to this point you've hidden your ways pretty well, be careful what you post in the open lest they may discover as well.

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I thought the replies automatically had a different font. How are you supposed to show your replies?

I know you go behind and love to delete my posts JM, i wouldn't mind so much if you were fair and did that to other people. I guess I should be flattered you take that much interest or dislike to them. You say you know Markw by his statements as I know you by your actions. Too bad others on this forum don't know just what a weasel you are. Up to this point you've hidden your ways pretty well, be careful what you post in the open lest they may discover as well.

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No posts deleted my paranoid friend. No you are not that important or interesting. Many on AR have met me and know me. Weasel is one who makes accusations based on a perceived wrong. Time to let it go.

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Please do not confuse homosexuals with pedophiles or hebephiles.

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My apologies for the wrong choice of words. I have no problems with homosexuals, lesbians, bisexuals or any other alternative lifestyle groups as long as it happens between 2 consenting individuals without the threats of whatever these priests feed the kids.

Male on Male is still homosexuality as much as it is pedophilia when a child is involved. I'm pretty sure the majority of the alter boys would choose differently if given a chance while some may already be orientated that way.

As for Mr P's statement that god did not create gays....get a grip. If god created EVERYTHING, than there are no exceptions.

It is pretty much a proven fact that people can be born in the wrong bodies. Many times at birth, because of multiple sex organs, a family has to make a choice as to which one goes and which one stays. It isn't always the right choice for the adult that child will become.

And I am not that confused when I read the story anymore because in my heart, although there is some historical evidence, it is still just a story, twisted and molded into what it is today and the people who wrote it, were not there at the time any of it happened.

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A fair point.. Religious discussions probably should be off limits as they lead to heated and usually nasty discussions...

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Like I said at some point earlier, don't discuss religion or politics (or cables) if you want discussion to remain polite. This is because people abandon rationality when they get into these topics. Religion in particular is non-rational by definition.

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Also, you make a very wrong assumption in concluding that no one sees the difference between questioning and the insulting that Feanor chose to do... In fact, FA already made it clear that she disagreed with Feanor...

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Silly of me, but I draw a distinction between denigrating an idea or mode of thought on the one hand and personally insulting an individual on the other. I forget that people invest so heavily in their ideas, that they see attacks on them as attacks on their persons.

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Or if you can ask the question, you need to be willing to accept the official answer given by the 'church' or risk having your membership revoked...

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In politics this is called the "questioning the party line". E.g. when Newt Gingrich described the Republican's current health care proposal as "right-wing social engineering".

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FA, Christians believe God is man's creator and as such there are things we as human will not understand while on this earth. Christians also believe that God will answer their prayers in accordance with His will. I can not answer why God allows some to die and some to live in a disaster. Why some live to a ripe old age while others don't get past their teens. Some of the latter has to do with man having free will, a world where greed and disregard of others runs rampid.

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Mr. P, Thanks for your response. I appreciate hearing your thoughts on the matter and I am going to leave things at that.

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In politics this is called the "questioning the party line". E.g. when Newt Gingrich described the Republican's current health care proposal as "right-wing social engineering".

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LOL.... That is exactly what I was thinking.... Though I chose to leave out the politics... If you are too vocal in your dissent from the official position of the Church or Political party you will be booted...

Coming from a Catholic upbringing, I'm well aware that many active Catholics (and other denominations) merely keep quiet about the various ways they totally disagree with the official position(s) of their church(es)...

I'm not a big fan of censorship, but maybe we should have this thread shut down and get back to business as usual.

There are no right or wrong answers to any of it and just like the cables issue, you either believe or you don't.

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I'm not a big fan of censorship, but maybe we should have this thread shut down and get back to business as usual.

There are no right or wrong answers to any of it and just like the cables issue, you either believe or you don't.

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Which brings us back full circle...because free societies we can either choose to engage or not in such debate without fear of recourse. Those living under Sharia Law have no such options.

I see your point to an extent as I have seen fit to avoid any entanglements within the latter portions of this screed...but it will not be closed down by these hands.

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Which brings us back full circle...because free societies we can either choose to engage or not in such debate without fear of recourse. Those living under Sharia Law have no such options.

I see your point to an extent as I have seen fit to avoid any entanglements within the latter portions of this screed...but it will not be closed down by these hands.

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LOL, you started this mess and stepped back to watch it all degrade to where we are now.

I was just thinking it would be good not to lose anymore friends over religious differences. I guess I will just stop posting in this thread even if I feel provoked to respond.

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I see your point to an extent as I have seen fit to avoid any entanglements within the latter portions of this screed...but it will not be closed down by these hands.

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Since this thread began and remains in the Steel Cage I see no reason to close the thread. I am sure no ones mind will be changed but we might understand each other better. My opinions of some have been raised while not so for others.

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LOL, you started this mess and stepped back to watch it all degrade to where we are now.

I was just thinking it would be good not to lose anymore friends over religious differences. I guess I will just stop posting in this thread even if I feel provoked to respond.

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Trouble maker! :devil:

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LOL, you started this mess and stepped back to watch it all degrade to where we are now...

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Imagine occupying a middle ground in this mess. I can only fight on so many fronts.

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Hyfi, do you have kids? You can't correct them and love them at the same time?

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Hyfi prolly could but some of y'all serious types couldn't since you'd be too busy getting them to the gates of the city for a proper stoning a la Leviticus 21:17 and Deuteronomy 21:18-21.





See, I can't help myself. It ain't easy bein' me...

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Imagine being occupying a middle ground in this mess. I can only fight on so many fronts.



Hyfi prolly could but some of y'all serious types couldn't since you'd be too busy getting them to the gates of the city for a proper stoning a la Leviticus 21:17 and Deuteronomy 21:18-21.





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OK OK...

So you are the true trouble maker.:eek6:

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* > Mr Peabody replied here> Uh, T-bone, either you weren't divorced because you were never married or your wife doesn't care if you are a straight up adulterer..... What's that you say P? What about the girl friend with the tattoo you kicked to the curb? Where she fit in with your model citizenship? You say you have kids that watch cartoons with you and on other posts your kids graduated top of the class at top colleges in the world, you need to take notes to your lies in order to keep yourself straight.

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azzhole, my wife passed away years ago, and I stated so many times on this very forum. My kids do not watch cartoons, they watch animation with me. Your stupid ass can't even get the story straight, so maybe you need to keep that big ass beak out of my business. If you are going to come after me, get your story straight. What you presented here is pathetic, but then since you are pathetic, its par for the course.



There are legal ramifications in any divorce, so that is a flimsy excuse for not allowing same sex marriage.

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* > Mr Peabody replied here> We shouldn't allow it because marriage was never intended for same sex.

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How do you know what was intended? God nor Jesus never spoke against it, or even mentioned it. Take your hateful biased opinions and stuff them straight up your sorry butt.

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* > Mr Peabody replied here> I agree that bombings and other violence is wrong and God would never approve nor does the Bible teach such things. Christians are to rebuke error in love and humility.

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So where is the love and humility hypocrite? Your sorry ass can't even follow your own advice.

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* > Mr Peabody replied here> God created man but he did not make them gay.

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How else did they get that way idiot, their mother told them to be that way? God created them, they surely didn't decide this for themselves.

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* > Mr Peabody replied here> Better read that Bible again. Sounds like yours had some creative editing.

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If God or Jesus mentions anything about homosexuality, point it out to me. What is the scripture. I read the King James version just so you know.

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In addition, which is it Terry, on one hand you are the poster choir boy and here on this post you make the athist statement "bout homosexuality, so this is nothing more than the opinion of man, or laws created by man to control man". Funny statement for a self professed Christian on other threads. Again, better start taking some notes. Funny you call every one else liars when you can't back up what you say but you have more inconsistencies than any one else here.

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Peabrain, you are just another hypocritical Christian that speaks out of both sides of their mouths. There are so many of you out there, it is beginning to pollute the air. It is not an atheist statement to point out the truth "bout homosexuality", it is a fact.

I have never stated I was a poster boy for anything but being myself. On the other hand, you run around here quoting scripture out of one side of your mouth, and attack and call names on the other. This kind of Christianity I call cock roach Christianity. When the lights are off they are attacking people personally with the intention on tearing them down. When the lights go on, you scramble for the baseboards quoting scripture, and pretending to be holy than thou. I just want you to know that you are transparent. I can see right through that false Christianity. I can see right through that pious Pharisaical mask that you sport, and I am not fooled by your pious show of quoting scripture. You are no better than the Swaggarts, Bakers, and Haggarts out there - you preach to folks, cast judgement, condemn, and then turn around and do the very thing you condemn others for. There is no love in your posts, and no humility. What is there is revenge for getting your butt kicked time after time on audio and video things, and that makes you look bad, uniformed, and sometimes just plain stupid.

By the way, my name is not Terry peahead.

This is your second failed attempt to tear me down. Where is God's love in that hypocrite? I supposed God told you to call me out in the first post, and here as well. No it was not God, it was you being the hypocrite you are, the bitter revengeful pathetic fool you are.

I need to go wash myself off. I always feel soiled when I have to interact with fake double tongued Christians.

Y'all have no idea how sorry I am that I posted what I thought was a simple question and resurrected this thread.

Everybody take a time-out for the talking dog. The imbedding isn't working so click on the link. DO IT!

http://youtu.be/nGeKSiCQkPw

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Since this thread began and remains in the Steel Cage I see no reason to close the thread. I am sure no ones mind will be changed but we might understand each other better. My opinions of some have been raised while not so for others.

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Despite some of the really unfortunate personal attacks in this thread, I like both the discussion and the fact that I get a better understanding of some of the other forum members...

It helps me to remember that just because you agree with another person on HiFi doesn't mean you would be likely to get along with that person in real life... And of course the converse; that we could be in perpetual war over HiFi issues, yet could be best of friends in real life...

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Y'all have no idea how sorry I am that I posted what I thought was a simple question and resurrected this thread.

Everybody take a time-out for the talking dog. The imbedding isn't working so click on the link. DO IT!

http://youtu.be/nGeKSiCQkPw

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You just pull it over to the side of the road there lady. You got sumptin' against a good beatin'?

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azzhole, my wife passed away years ago, and I stated so many times on this very forum. My kids do not watch cartoons, they watch animation with me. Your stupid ass can't even get the story straight, so maybe you need to keep that big ass beak out of my business. If you are going to come after me, get your story straight. What you presented here is pathetic, but then since you are pathetic, its par for the course.

* If you stated your wife passed away show me one post. I've been here a minute and have not run across that. Sure sounds like you got your feathers ruffled.

How do you know what was intended? God nor Jesus never spoke against it, or even mentioned it. Take your hateful biased opinions and stuff them straight up your sorry butt.

** Homosexuality is Condemned in the Bible!

The Bible's condemnation of homosexuality is as clear and plain as the Bible's condemnation of murder, adultery, premarital sex, kidnapping, lying and idolatry. Further, for me to openly condemn homosexuality theologically makes me no more a "gay basher" than I am an "adultery basher", "premarital sex basher", "kidnapper basher" or a "murderer basher". If you disagree, your argument is with God's Bible.

The homosexual community has two ways of promoting their personal choices of being homosexual through the religious forum. First, some will claim the Bible actually promotes and condones homosexuality. Second, others try to get the Bible banned from public use by categorizing it as hate literature.

For any to use the Bible to condone rather than condemn homosexual activity in the theological arena just proves such a one has absolutely no idea what the Bible actually teaches. For anyone to suggest the Bible says homosexual activity is acceptable to God, is nothing short of willful blindness. So to set the record straight once and for all, here is what the Bible teaches on the subject.

Anyone who has heard of the cities of "Sodom and Gommorah" knows that they were notorious hotbeds of homosexuality. Gen 19:5-8 "and they called to Lot and said to him, 'Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have relations with them.' But Lot went out to them at the doorway, and shut the door behind him, and said, 'Please, my brothers, do not act wickedly.'" The Greek word in the New Testament for homosexuality is literally "a sodomite". Jock is trying to redefine what the term "sodomite" means. (A term that has unchanged in 5000 years, even today- "sodomy") Apart from the fact the city was clearly destroyed by God because of homosexuality in the narrative of Gen 19, even the New Testament clearly states exactly the same thing in Jude 7 "Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example, in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire." Any sinner should always remember that the God who commands us to love our neighbour is the same God who will cast any and all unrepentant sinners into the "eternal fire". Here are more Bible quotes, Lev 18:22-23 "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination." Lev 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death." 1 Cor 6:9 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals" 1 Tim 1:9-10 "realizing the fact that (civil) law is not made for a righteous man, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers" Rom 1:26-27 "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error."

If the homosexual community chooses to practice homosexuality in privacy, that is there free choice. But let such persons know for certain that the Christian Bible condemns all such practices and God will judge them unfit for the kingdom of heaven if the continue to practice and openly promote homosexual sex.


So where is the love and humility hypocrite? Your sorry ass can't even follow your own advice.

Your favorite tactic twisting the truth. I have never used the language here you have. I don't think pointing out a few inconsistencies in your statements goes against anything. You like to make things bigger than they are in order to deflect from yourself. Has any one on this board ever met you face to face?

How else did they get that way idiot, their mother told them to be that way? God created them, they surely didn't decide this for themselves.

Why didn't they decide this for themselves?

If God or Jesus mentions anything about homosexuality, point it out to me. What is the scripture. I read the King James version just so you know.

Homosexuality is Condemned in the Bible!

The Bible's condemnation of homosexuality is as clear and plain as the Bible's condemnation of murder, adultery, premarital sex, kidnapping, lying and idolatry. Further, for me to openly condemn homosexuality theologically makes me no more a "gay basher" than I am an "adultery basher", "premarital sex basher", "kidnapper basher" or a "murderer basher". If you disagree, your argument is with God's Bible.

The homosexual community has two ways of promoting their personal choices of being homosexual through the religious forum. First, some will claim the Bible actually promotes and condones homosexuality. Second, others try to get the Bible banned from public use by categorizing it as hate literature.

For any to use the Bible to condone rather than condemn homosexual activity in the theological arena just proves such a one has absolutely no idea what the Bible actually teaches. For anyone to suggest the Bible says homosexual activity is acceptable to God, is nothing short of willful blindness. So to set the record straight once and for all, here is what the Bible teaches on the subject.

Anyone who has heard of the cities of "Sodom and Gommorah" knows that they were notorious hotbeds of homosexuality. Gen 19:5-8 "and they called to Lot and said to him, 'Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have relations with them.' But Lot went out to them at the doorway, and shut the door behind him, and said, 'Please, my brothers, do not act wickedly.'" The Greek word in the New Testament for homosexuality is literally "a sodomite". Jock is trying to redefine what the term "sodomite" means. (A term that has unchanged in 5000 years, even today- "sodomy") Apart from the fact the city was clearly destroyed by God because of homosexuality in the narrative of Gen 19, even the New Testament clearly states exactly the same thing in Jude 7 "Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example, in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire." Any sinner should always remember that the God who commands us to love our neighbour is the same God who will cast any and all unrepentant sinners into the "eternal fire". Here are more Bible quotes, Lev 18:22-23 "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination." Lev 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death." 1 Cor 6:9 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals" 1 Tim 1:9-10 "realizing the fact that (civil) law is not made for a righteous man, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers" Rom 1:26-27 "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error."

If the homosexual community chooses to practice homosexuality in privacy, that is there free choice. But let such persons know for certain that the Christian Bible condemns all such practices and God will judge them unfit for the kingdom of heaven if the continue to practice and openly promote homosexual sex.



Peabrain, you are just another hypocritical Christian that speaks out of both sides of their mouths. There are so many of you out there, it is beginning to pollute the air. It is not an atheist statement to point out the truth "bout homosexuality", it is a fact.

Good try to deflect, read the post again and try to comprehend this time.

I have never stated I was a poster boy for anything but being myself. On the other hand, you run around here quoting scripture out of one side of your mouth, and attack and call names on the other. This kind of Christianity I call cock roach Christianity. When the lights are off they are attacking people personally with the intention on tearing them down. When the lights go on, you scramble for the baseboards quoting scripture, and pretending to be holy than thou. I just want you to know that you are transparent. I can see right through that false Christianity. I can see right through that pious Pharisaical mask that you sport, and I am not fooled by your pious show of quoting scripture. You are no better than the Swaggarts, Bakers, and Haggarts out there - you preach to folks, cast judgement, condemn, and then turn around and do the very thing you condemn others for. There is no love in your posts, and no humility. What is there is revenge for getting your butt kicked time after time on audio and video things, and that makes you look bad, uniformed, and sometimes just plain stupid.

By the way, my name is not Terry peahead.

This is your second failed attempt to tear me down. Where is God's love in that hypocrite? I supposed God told you to call me out in the first post, and here as well. No it was not God, it was you being the hypocrite you are, the bitter revengeful pathetic fool you are.

I need to go wash myself off. I always feel soiled when I have to interact with fake double tongued Christians.

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Terry, you seem to be the one calling names. Proclaiming to be the winner doesn't make you so. You are a fraud and you get a bit out of shape when that truth gets to close. Funny Pix can even see you for what you are but some here who think they are quite bright eat your fantasies up.

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Terry, you seem to be the one calling names. Proclaiming to be the winner doesn't make you so. You are a fraud and you get a bit out of shape when that truth gets to close. Funny Pix can even see you for what you are but some here who think they are quite bright eat your fantasies up.

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I find you share some of the characteristics you name.

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Terry, you seem to be the one calling names. Proclaiming to be the winner doesn't make you so. You are a fraud and you get a bit out of shape when that truth gets to close. Funny Pix can even see you for what you are but some here who think they are quite bright eat your fantasies up.

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Beezle bub, why don't you cast yourself into a pig, and run off a cliff. Don't bring Pix into this fake, he is as stupid as you are...well maybe your are worse.

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The homosexual community has two ways of promoting their personal choices of being homosexual

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I had to stop reading after this statement because, for me, this is where all religious arguments against homosexuality begin and end, with this false statement. Homosexuality is no more a personal choice than hetrosexuality. There are many scientific studies that link homosexuality to genetics.

I have several gay friends. Trust me when I tell you that none of them would choose to be made fun of, beat up, subjected to biggotry, lose friends and family, and be discriminated against both in their personal life and at work. Being gay is no more a choice than choosing your skin colour, or your eye colour, or who your parents are.

One of my best friends is a lesbian. I knew her for six years before she finally felt strong enough to admit the truth to herself and everyone else. For the first six years that I knew her she went from man to man and never found anyone to really love. After finally admitting the truth about herself, she found a wonderful woman who she has been with for five years. They are so meant for each other that I can't imagine her with a man now. She's finally happy, but it cost her her relationship with her very religious parents who refuse to accept that she's gay and would rather shut her out than share in her happiness.

I also know two men who married women and had children because they felt that they had to do what was expected of them rather than what felt right to them. Both are now divorced. Do you think that they chose to be gay so that they could divorce their wives and spend less time with their children?

I ask, why on earth would anyone CHOOSE to subject themselves to that if it were a choice?

Mr. Peabody and Mark, what would you do if your child came to you and told you that he or she was gay? Would you accept such an abominable choice into your family?

FA, if one of my children were gay I would love them just the same. I would not condone their relationship just in the same way I didn't condone my daughter living with some one without being married. I don't hate any one for being gay. I don't agree with it as many things the Bible outlines as sinful.

JM, I'm sure I am not your favorite person admitting I disagree with gay lifestyle. However, my posts have always been consistent, I have no need to portray something I'm not, and several members here have been to my house. So if anything was not as I say then I'm sure it would be known. The only issue I take with you is your abuse and prejudicial use of your moderator power. I care less that you are gay and actually it was years of being here before I learned it.

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The only issue I take with you is your abuse and prejudicial use of your moderator power. I care less that you are gay and actually it was years of being here before I learned it.

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As best as I can remember I deleted a post directed to SVI who as most would admit is not someone who could openly defend themselves. Deleting a post to save someone from pain seemed like a christian act. The fact that you always reference this event says much about you. You of course do not speak of all the PM's you had sent me.

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FA, if one of my children were gay I would love them just the same. I would not condone their relationship just in the same way I didn't condone my daughter living with some one without being married. I don't hate any one for being gay. I don't agree with it as many things the Bible outlines as sinful.

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Fair enough. I don't agree with you but that's okay, I don't have to.

BTW, living with someone before I married him kept me from making the biggest mistake of my life...just sayin'. :smile5:

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I find you share some of the characteristics you name.

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This is what a typical scripture quoting hypocrite does.

Now that this thread has degenerated into pointless name calling, please let's put it out of its misery. :(

...whistle blows...

...Logical Foul...Post #388...15 Yards

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Anyone who has heard of the cities of "Sodom and Gommorah" knows that they were notorious hotbeds of homosexuality. Gen 19:5-8 "and they called to Lot and said to him, 'Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have relations with them.' But Lot went out to them at the doorway, and shut the door behind him, and said, 'Please, my brothers, do not act wickedly.'" The Greek word in the New Testament for homosexuality is literally "a sodomite". Jock is trying to redefine what the term "sodomite" means. (A term that has unchanged in 5000 years, even today- "sodomy") Apart from the fact the city was clearly destroyed by God because of homosexuality in the narrative of Gen 19, even the New Testament clearly states exactly the same thing in Jude 7 "Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example, in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire." Any sinner should always remember that the God who commands us to love our neighbour is the same God who will cast any and all unrepentant sinners into the "eternal fire". Here are more Bible quotes, Lev 18:22-23 "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination." Lev 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death." 1 Cor 6:9 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals" 1 Tim 1:9-10 "realizing the fact that (civil) law is not made for a righteous man, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers" Rom 1:26-27 "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error."

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One can use Old Testament scripture directly and claim literal interpretation as from the mouth of God or Jesus but the New Testament scriptures are out of bounds for such argumentation.

Palm Sunday I was walking my dog when I was flashed by an older man. Tonight I saw him returning from Bible Study with his wife and they were carrying their bibles. I made sure my dog was a good distance away since I know elderly people are fearful of dogs jumping on them. I wished them a good evening and they could barely grunt in return. Yes they returned home full of love and concern for their fellow man. NOT!

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As best as I can remember I deleted a post directed to SVI who as most would admit is not someone who could openly defend themselves...

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Lol, that is a bit like kickin' a quad or clubbing a seal.

Bobsticks,I disagree, the New Testament is just as valid as the Old in respect to being God's word. Christ was with God in the beginning and equal. Jesus was willing to come to earth in the flesh. Isaiah, and much of the Old Testament prophesy to Christ's coming and what would happen to him while on earth. The New Testament allows for forgiveness of sin, something the Old Law did not have.