If Romney gets in which country will America start a war with next?

[RGA]

The problem with statistics is they are often held in a vacuum. In other words there are no reasons given.

The reason there is a higher percentage of African Americans on welfare is because white America with all the power don't hire them.

And HOW do we know the above is true? Because if it were NOT true there would be no need for and implementation of "Affirmative Action" The reason for that program was because White America is so racists and so fearful of Black America that they would not hire them even if they were 3 times more qualified.

This is the same reason why the prison population is disproportionately black (and also more "later proven" innocent black men have been released with DNA evidence) . Lots of luck getting a decent job with a criminal record.

At the very least we can say Black America has more of an excuse for being on Welfare than White America.


"Affirmative Action" is a double edged sword. Yes it helps give minorities a job in company X. They have to meet a quota of hires.

But here's the problem - once you are IN the company getting the promotion is much tougher. Why? Because many company execs will feel the minority was hire "merely" based on the colour of their skin and NOT because they're a good employee. Incidentally this also applied to women for many years as well.

This is referred to as the "Glass Ceiling." Yes the store has to hire 10% minority or whatever but it doesn't have to promote you.

The Minority person could be far more deserving but if the owner of the company is a racist then the minority will never get promoted. OR if the execs are not racist but think the minority was hired for skin color they will not get promoted.

Hell White women have a tough enough time getting the same pay for the same job - so if you're a black woman I can't imagine how tough that is.

And forget jobs in America - a white American teacher can go work overseas in South Korea or China etc - no problem - male or female. A black man or woman? You can pretty much forget it.

A black teacher got off the plane at the airport and when the school saw him they cancelled the job on the spot. Refused to hire him. Now in most Asian countries when you apply for a teaching job they demand a photo.

There was a black woman I met who was a teacher in Seoul and she noted that it depends on the school. Obviously she had a job - but that's just it - it depends on the school - maybe 1 school in 50 would be willing to hire a black person. And i have met numerous Nigerian well educated teachers that can't get teaching jobs. Their English is better English than Canadian or American "Simplified English" and many of them have Masters and PhD levels in Education. Two strikes against them - they're black and they're from Africa not America or Canada or Australia/England. One school hire a German guy to teach English (I met him - he was a pretty white guy who could barely speak English - had no degree - but he was white and from Europe). sickening really.

One school principal said to me that "its because they're private schools and the parents don't want their kids to speak English like a gangster." After all their view of America is what is in the movies which spoon feeds stereotypes galore. That one school would have to "convince" the parents. I also noticed that that one black female teacher I met looked Halle Berry like with a great body and looks - no matter the colour of skin - can often break down some of those racial walls. (ahem Monster's Ball speaking of Berry).

I live in BC where there are not many black folks but we do have a lot of First Nation people and there is affirmative action and also a glass ceiling.

I agree with mark that the best person should get the job. I think everyone wants the best person to get the job whether they're white or minority. The reason Affirmative Action began was because that was not happening (especially in the south). If 9 out of 10 companies had racist owners then lot's of luck they would hire a black person. The guy or girl could have an IQ of 180 and a PhD from Harvard and lose the job to a twice inbred IQ of 56 quasi-moron because he's white.

There are serious problems with AA as a program. The fire department in BC for example wants more female minorities. The problem with this is they have lowered some of the standards in physical attributes required - namely strength.

The problem is that a fire fighter used to always have to be able to have enough strength to pull their injured partner from a fire. So if the partner is 6'5 and 250lbs plus gear - you have to be able to pull that man out from the fire.

Hiring a 5'0 105lb middle eastern girl may fit the AA objective of hiring minority females but it isn't safe.

The male firefighter if partnered with this woman can now actually refuse to go into a fire because his safety is as at risk. So Affirmative Action taken to this level now means that houses will burn down because the firefighters can stand outside because their partner is too weak to pull anyone to safety.

The same ting has happened to the police force - the weight lifting requirements were considerably reduced and/or abolished. Most police work doesn't require weight lifting so you could sort of see this one and females often bring other assets to the table in negotiation tactics that are valuable (some but not all guys have that but perps psychologically can react more favourably to females). But firefighting is a different animal and the requirement needs to be met not lowered.

With AA there should not be a quota of hires - because it opens the door to hire unqualified people over qualified ones. The person should always be qualified for the job. So if the state quota demands that 10% of your workforce be a minority and you only have 5% that should be OK if you have documentary evidence that says that no other qualified people applied. The Job demands a Bachelor of Arts Degree and you had 10 applicants and only 5 had the English degree and you hired all 5 then you should not have to hire 5 other people because they're a minority over 5 white people who have the Bachelor of Arts.

That said if the minority quota is 10% of staff must be minority to reflect population and the job advertisement says Bachelor of Arts Degree required and the minority has the Bachelor of Arts degree they should get hired in numbers to meet the state quota. Even if that means hiring the Bachelor of Arts holder OVER a white guy with a PhD. Why? Because the job you are hiring for doesn't need a PhD and if it did that should have been the minimum standard in the advertisement.

[JohnMichael]

Let us be very careful how we speak to one another.

[markw]

RGA, your speaking on racism in America as a canadian who lives and works in Hong Kong, has never lived or worked in the US, and wasn't even born when this racial **** it the fan in the 60's, makes your usual pomposity pale by comparison.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

For only the second time in my Audioreview history, I actually agree with RGA.

Who saw that coming.......

[markw]

For only the second time in my Audioreview history, I actually agree with RGA.

Who saw that coming.......

Coming from someone who would fling open the borders, why am I not surprised.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Coming from someone who would fling open the borders, why am I not surprised.

I think you are comprehension challenged with my position. I am all for border security as long as it actually exists. So far we have failed in that respect because we have an estimated 11-20k illegal immigrants in this country. Let's be real Mark, you cannot deport them all, that is financially not feasible. The only practical solution is to give those who are here a pathway to citizenship, while fully securing the borders at the same time.( I seriously doubt our resolve to do that even now). Any idea of deporting all illegals is illogical and silly.

So Mark, your highly right wing fanatical filters has forsaken you on this issue. I want the gates better managed, but not thrown open. Unlike you, I am aware that immigration plays a huge role in the future economics of any country. You need a workforce that regenerates itself from time to time, or the entire workforce gets too old, and holds back economic development in the future. Japan is a prime example of that.

Not everyone's opinion fall's at the walls of the room. Some of us are standing firmly in the middle with nobody to dance with.

[markw]

Why should those that sneak into the country illegally be rewarded and given preference over those that have played by the rules to get here? That doesn't make sense. I know quite a few legal aliens who played the game who bristle at that thought, and rightfully so.

Yes, we can deport them. Yes,we can prevent a goodly portion from coming here if these bozos in the federal government would do what they are constitutionally obligated to do. Yet, instead of doing that, when the states take it upon themselves to do what the feds refuse to do, the feds take them to court.

So, who are they protecting? The citizens of the US who they are constitutionally obligated to protect, or the illegals?

But, when they get caught, while awaiting trial and/or deportation, I envision a ready labor force that can be utilized on farms, digging ditches, and other menial tasks. Why make breaking the law a painless slap on the wrist and a free trip home, only to come back again? In the old days, chain gangs were all the rage. It might be time for a resurgence.

[JohnMichael]

The problem with statistics is they are often held in a vacuum. In other words there are no reasons given.

The reason there is a higher percentage of African Americans on welfare is because white America with all the power don't hire them.

And HOW do we know the above is true? Because if it were NOT true there would be no need for and implementation of "Affirmative Action" The reason for that program was because White America is so racists and so fearful of Black America that they would not hire them even if they were 3 times more qualified.

This is the same reason why the prison population is disproportionately black (and also more "later proven" innocent black men have been released with DNA evidence) . Lots of luck getting a decent job with a criminal record.

At the very least we can say Black America has more of an excuse for being on Welfare than White America.


"Affirmative Action" is a double edged sword. Yes it helps give minorities a job in company X. They have to meet a quota of hires.

But here's the problem - once you are IN the company getting the promotion is much tougher. Why? Because many company execs will feel the minority was hire "merely" based on the colour of their skin and NOT because they're a good employee. Incidentally this also applied to women for many years as well.

This is referred to as the "Glass Ceiling." Yes the store has to hire 10% minority or whatever but it doesn't have to promote you.

The Minority person could be far more deserving but if the owner of the company is a racist then the minority will never get promoted. OR if the execs are not racist but think the minority was hired for skin color they will not get promoted.

Hell White women have a tough enough time getting the same pay for the same job - so if you're a black woman I can't imagine how tough that is.

And forget jobs in America - a white American teacher can go work overseas in South Korea or China etc - no problem - male or female. A black man or woman? You can pretty much forget it.

A black teacher got off the plane at the airport and when the school saw him they cancelled the job on the spot. Refused to hire him. Now in most Asian countries when you apply for a teaching job they demand a photo.

There was a black woman I met who was a teacher in Seoul and she noted that it depends on the school. Obviously she had a job - but that's just it - it depends on the school - maybe 1 school in 50 would be willing to hire a black person. And i have met numerous Nigerian well educated teachers that can't get teaching jobs. Their English is better English than Canadian or American "Simplified English" and many of them have Masters and PhD levels in Education. Two strikes against them - they're black and they're from Africa not America or Canada or Australia/England. One school hire a German guy to teach English (I met him - he was a pretty white guy who could barely speak English - had no degree - but he was white and from Europe). sickening really.

One school principal said to me that "its because they're private schools and the parents don't want their kids to speak English like a gangster." After all their view of America is what is in the movies which spoon feeds stereotypes galore. That one school would have to "convince" the parents. I also noticed that that one black female teacher I met looked Halle Berry like with a great body and looks - no matter the colour of skin - can often break down some of those racial walls. (ahem Monster's Ball speaking of Berry).

I live in BC where there are not many black folks but we do have a lot of First Nation people and there is affirmative action and also a glass ceiling.

I agree with mark that the best person should get the job. I think everyone wants the best person to get the job whether they're white or minority. The reason Affirmative Action began was because that was not happening (especially in the south). If 9 out of 10 companies had racist owners then lot's of luck they would hire a black person. The guy or girl could have an IQ of 180 and a PhD from Harvard and lose the job to a twice inbred IQ of 56 quasi-moron because he's white.

There are serious problems with AA as a program. The fire department in BC for example wants more female minorities. The problem with this is they have lowered some of the standards in physical attributes required - namely strength.

The problem is that a fire fighter used to always have to be able to have enough strength to pull their injured partner from a fire. So if the partner is 6'5 and 250lbs plus gear - you have to be able to pull that man out from the fire.

Hiring a 5'0 105lb middle eastern girl may fit the AA objective of hiring minority females but it isn't safe.

The male firefighter if partnered with this woman can now actually refuse to go into a fire because his safety is as at risk. So Affirmative Action taken to this level now means that houses will burn down because the firefighters can stand outside because their partner is too weak to pull anyone to safety.

The same ting has happened to the police force - the weight lifting requirements were considerably reduced and/or abolished. Most police work doesn't require weight lifting so you could sort of see this one and females often bring other assets to the table in negotiation tactics that are valuable (some but not all guys have that but perps psychologically can react more favourably to females). But firefighting is a different animal and the requirement needs to be met not lowered.

With AA there should not be a quota of hires - because it opens the door to hire unqualified people over qualified ones. The person should always be qualified for the job. So if the state quota demands that 10% of your workforce be a minority and you only have 5% that should be OK if you have documentary evidence that says that no other qualified people applied. The Job demands a Bachelor of Arts Degree and you had 10 applicants and only 5 had the English degree and you hired all 5 then you should not have to hire 5 other people because they're a minority over 5 white people who have the Bachelor of Arts.

That said if the minority quota is 10% of staff must be minority to reflect population and the job advertisement says Bachelor of Arts Degree required and the minority has the Bachelor of Arts degree they should get hired in numbers to meet the state quota. Even if that means hiring the Bachelor of Arts holder OVER a white guy with a PhD. Why? Because the job you are hiring for doesn't need a PhD and if it did that should have been the minimum standard in the advertisement.

I agree this is a good post and brings up many issues.

[Feanor]

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That said if the minority quota is 10% of staff must be minority to reflect population and the job advertisement says Bachelor of Arts Degree required and the minority has the Bachelor of Arts degree they should get hired in numbers to meet the state quota. Even if that means hiring the Bachelor of Arts holder OVER a white guy with a PhD. Why? Because the job you are hiring for doesn't need a PhD and if it did that should have been the minimum standard in the advertisement.

You make many good points throughout this post, RGA, but in the end I believe that the time for "affirmative action" and quotas based on race is drawing to an end in North American.

I feel that both the employer and the prospective employee deserve that the best qualified person be selected. (I note that in various of your examples from Asia, it is not the best qualified that are select -- this is wrong of course.)

The problem in North American today is increasingly not race but income, (allowing that there is still a lot of correlation between race and income). It is largely family money that determines quality of education, and this affects not only private schools but also public schools. Most public school funding depends on the local tax base. In the USA top private universities not only have high entrance standards but also charge 2-3+ times the tuition of public universities -- this despite that most of them such huge endowment funds that they could actually stay in the black offering free tuition.

Meanwhile many employers favor applicants who have graduated from prestigious universities, sometimes without regard to actual degree content. E.g. say you want to be a Wall Street securities trader with the potential of earning millions a year. A PHD in finance isn't what the Wall Street firms are looking for: What you need is just need a bachelor degree from a top ivy league school and a relatively high class standing. The Wall Street will firm provide you with the 2-3 months of training necessary to be a trader.