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    Quote Originally Posted by dingus View Post
    i think thats a fair assessment. Obama is a status quo politician and has continued with most of the Bush Administration policies that he inherited and i dont see that changing if he wins a 2nd term.
    Yes, I feel the pain already. When Obama came into office, cigarettes prices almost double (from $30 to $50 a carlton) due to new taxes

    And when the new health care law go into effect, it mean more taxes from the poor and working class pockets since if you don't have health insurance (which most poor poeple can't affort), IRS will fine you. That means on top of all the financial troubles one have, they will owe money to the government also

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smokey View Post
    Yes, I feel the pain already. When Obama came into office, cigarettes prices almost double (from $30 to $50 a carlton) due to new taxes

    And when the new health care law go into effect, it mean more taxes from the poor and working class pockets since if you don't have health insurance (which most poor poeple can't affort), IRS will fine you. That means on top of all the financial troubles one have, they will owe money to the government also
    Parts of the new health care law are already in effect. My sons are still covered under my family plan because of the new health care law. It has saved us quite a bit of money and my premiums haven't gone up. I have no complaints.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dean_martin View Post
    Parts of the new health care law are already in effect. My sons are still covered under my family plan because of the new health care law. It has saved us quite a bit of money and my premiums haven't gone up. I have no complaints.
    Lets see how this new law will work out with the poor and those that can not afford health insurance.

    Quote Originally Posted by dingus
    federal taxes are levied by the Congress...
    But it was Obama who signed the tax hike in February 2009. Former president George Bush vetoed it.

    Biggest U.S. tax hike on tobacco takes effect - USATODAY.com
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    You can't take religion out of it. When you believe in the total insanity of the Mormon faith it says a LOT about the individual who believes it. I don't want nutbars with their finger on the biggest trigger in the world. I would rather have a Cat in charge of the country than Romney.

    smokey - stop smoking.

    I am a lefty from Canada but it is bothersome to see young people (under 40) smoke. I get old geezers - they got addicted and it's difficult to quit but lung cancer from smoking is one of the most expensive medical treatments that government (me) has to pay for because some putz thinks it's cool. The least they can do is pay a hefty tax so that when they get their operation they will have helped PAY for their future operation.

    There should also be a MASSIVE increase (for tax) on High Fructose Corn Syrup. This is costing the system massive sums of money. in heart attacks and diabetes all the way down to things like Gout.

    The U.S. medical system is one of those compromises - they should have pretty much copied the Canadian System. The Canadian system "mostly" works. I would make the case that the system if completely 100% copied in the US would actually work MUCH better in the US because of much denser populations. The big drain on Canada is transportation to small communities - suck money. You can't put a full out facility in a tiny town so you have to fly them everywhere - including the U.S. because it's faster to get them there than to a Canadian hospital in some cases - and Canada pays the full American hospital bill (which is probably jacked up once they know a country is footing the bill).

    Doctors in the States would make similar money - but they'd cut their workloads by at LEAST 1/2 and would not have to hire staff to deal with HMO's. Everyone in the U.S. would have a LOT LESS stress - you will never lose your home because of a medical bill, less stressed people means less people shooting 20 people in a theater because they can actually afford the schizo pills and actually have a doctor who is not overburdened and can take more time on each case. Too many mentally ill walking the streets who should not be. It's not perfect in Canada - either but the problem in Canada is the lack of humanpower to cover a wide enough net. That's less so in the States.

    And we don't pay the taxes you might think we pay either.

    Here is the Income tax rate in 2012 in Canada (the first $10k is tax free)

    15% on the first $42,707 of taxable income, +
    22% on the next $42,707 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable income over $42,707 up to $85,414), +
    26% on the next $46,992 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable income over $85,414 up to $132,406), +
    29% of taxable income over $132,406.

    This is not a bad trade for free medical, highways, fire, etc etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smokey View Post
    Lets see how this new law will work out with the poor and those that can not afford health insurance.
    You need to educate your self on this issue



    But it was Obama who signed the tax hike in February 2009. Former president George Bush vetoed it.

    Biggest U.S. tax hike on tobacco takes effect - USATODAY.com
    What better way to get you to stop using something that has addicted you to its harmful effects.....the Person who signed it into law is/was also a smoker.....what a great example for you. Saves your health and your wallet....its your choice.....poor health and an empty wallet, or better health and more money in your wallet. Don't get mad at the President for making it clear for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smokey View Post
    Yes, I feel the pain already. When Obama came into office, cigarettes prices almost double (from $30 to $50 a carlton) due to new taxes

    And when the new health care law go into effect, it mean more taxes from the poor and working class pockets since if you don't have health insurance (which most poor poeple can't affort), IRS will fine you. That means on top of all the financial troubles one have, they will owe money to the government also
    federal taxes are levied by the Congress....
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    Quote Originally Posted by dingus View Post
    federal taxes are levied by the Congress....
    The funny this is...when the Health Care as proposed by President Obama first hit congress....it had no mandate....it was the republican congress that suggested the mandate, hoping it would be turned down...so it was added and now they are crying because it back fired.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smokey View Post
    Yes, I feel the pain already. When Obama came into office, cigarettes prices almost double (from $30 to $50 a carlton) due to new taxes ...
    But smoking is a choice, eh? So you can easily (?) avoid the tax.

    Quote Originally Posted by Smokey View Post
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    And when the new health care law go into effect, it mean more taxes from the poor and working class pockets since if you don't have health insurance (which most poor poeple can't affort), IRS will fine you. That means on top of all the financial troubles one have, they will owe money to the government also
    This is a puzzling perspectivve. First, health insurance is a good thing I'd think. True, with an acute problem you can stumble into an emergency department, but what about preventive and routine care? People die because they don't have insurance.

    Further, under the ACA, you actually have a choice. Don't want to buy insurance, pay a tax. (Don't want to pay the tax, buy insurance.) Initially the tax/penalty will be very low.

    Under our Canadian systems, (each province has its own), typically people pay no premiums. The systems are funded from general tax revenues. Given the poor play lower taxes, they have negligible extra burden on account of healthcare.

    Suck this up, my friend: the USA needs a universal healthcare system like all other developed countries. You guys down there need to stop being stupid about his.

    The Medicare funding problem in the USA is a self-inflicted. The problem is caused by (1) ageing populations, (unavoidable), and (2) general healthcare costs increasing far about inflation or the GDP, (definitely avoidable). The latter is caused by for-profit insurance and for-profit delivery. N.B. it's a lie that Obama is de-funding of Medicare; Medicare will be made cheaper by spreading costs to the ACA expanded coverage.

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    "If Romney gets in which country will America start a war with next?"
    the USA obviously... (though its been ongoing for some time now).

    Quote Originally Posted by Feanor View Post
    ...the USA needs a universal healthcare system like all other developed countries. You guys down there need to stop being stupid about his.
    as a US citizen, i am as puzzled about our lack of health care as those in other countries. its more than stupid... its this way solely to profit from the misery of others, which is insidiously evil . i dont care who you are or where you are in the economic landscape, anyone who doesnt believe that universal access to quality comprehensive health care is a fundamental right, is either just plain cruel, ignorant, a complete idiot, an evil greedy bastard or a combination thereof. our borders are surrounded by proven working models, we need only decide to adopt the policy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dingus View Post
    the USA obviously... (though its been ongoing for some time now).



    as a US citizen, i am as puzzled about our lack of health care as those in other countries. its more than stupid... its this way solely to profit from the misery of others, which is insidiously evil . i dont care who you are or where you are in the economic landscape, anyone who doesnt believe that universal access to quality comprehensive health care is a fundamental right, is either just plain cruel, ignorant, a complete idiot, an evil greedy bastard or a combination thereof. our borders are surrounded by proven working models, we need only decide to adopt the policy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smokey View Post
    Yes, I feel the pain already. When Obama came into office, cigarettes prices almost double (from $30 to $50 a carlton) due to new taxes

    And when the new health care law go into effect, it mean more taxes from the poor and working class pockets since if you don't have health insurance (which most poor poeple can't affort), IRS will fine you. That means on top of all the financial troubles one have, they will owe money to the government also :)
    You see Smokey...that simply is not true.....for those who can't afford it, like the poor, there is something called hardship. And for those who can afford it but don't purchase, they will have to pay the penalty, no one else....the way its stands now, you are paying for all the dead beats.
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