Where's RGA? Audio Note Japan...

[Florian]

Mr. Corey Greenberg Mr Robert Harley Martin Colloms, Ken Kessler(owns 2) & John Atkinson ANTHONY H. CORDESMAN Okay show me where they say your speaker is world reference title holder -- see there can only be one. And thanks I've heard the 3.6 -- please. John Atkinson loves crappy B&W 705's so you won't get much mileage posting his views -- if he can be so wrong about that piece of unmitigated caca then what makes you think he'd be right about anything else -- After all YOU hate B&W.

I am sorry, but your a tad strange. How can you say that because he reviewed a 700$ speaker from B&W and gave it a rating you do not agree on that he is not qualityfied to review a system costing 20 times that much. I bet if i look at the AN reviews that the people reviewd **** speakers well too, which would in return make all your AN reviews absolutly worthless.

Here are some quotes for you. It doesnt matter to me what you think, because i know the truth and pretty much everyone on this site agrees at least on one thing. You and your AN advertisings are getting tired, same as me.

This is turning into the same old BS threads as always. But i have one advantage, the systems i recomend are the known best systems along with others but they surely are not a AN.

The Apogee Diva is a superb speaker system. Like the Infinity IRS Series V and Duntech Sovereign 2001, it is a demonstration that the rich really are different from you and me. They can afford one hell of a lot better speakers!

Nevertheless, the Apogee Divas are currently my personal best.

The search is over. Congratulations, Apogee! As far as I'm concerned, the Diva is a clear-cut Class A component. The vacancy in this prestigious position of the Recommended Components listing for loudspeakers has been too conspicuous too long. I hope that the guiding forces at Stereophile see it my way and, as Aretha Franklin - another Diva-would sing, "second this emotion."

"The Best Sound at the Show: a group of one I've saved the best for last. Because while there were several really fine-sounding rooms at the Chicago CES, one speaker stood out so far away from the rest of the pack that it redefined my expectations of what can be achieved in the art of sound reproduction. I've heard great-sounding systems and I've heard GREAT-sounding systems, but I've never heard anything even 'remotely' as good as the demonstration of the new $60,000 Apogee Grand speaker system. Not even close.

The Grand is, in my opinion, a stunning breakthrough in loudspeaker design. Even in a less than optimum listening position, the beauty and majesty of this remarkable loudspeaker were unmistakable. Driven by eight Krell MDA-300s, Krell MD-1 transport, and Krell SBP-64x, the Grand produced the best recorded sound I've ever experienced.

But, no one can ignore the effort required, the 53500 price tag, the difficulty in getting a good dealer demonstration, the room requirements, and the possible need for new amplifiers. The Scintillas really do push the state of the art!

The Apogee Scintilla is the Ferrari Testarossa of loudspeakers: I'm sure that one day I shall own both.

Once AN compares to these, we can talk.

[Florian]

You know what i really want? I want to see a picture of your setup! You talk soo much and write soo much, i want to see the setup. I have pictures of all my setups and owned tons of equipment. I want to see if you actually have something interesting. Please post a picture of your setup!

-Flo

[RGA]

Flo you're such a ****ing putz

You list a bunch of fan quotes big deal -- If you ever went to school and had any kind of clue -- you quote and then post who said what from which publication and WHEN - or provide a direct link to where you got it from.

Those quiotes could be from you on another forum from one of your bum buddies,

Another snot nose kid who has more money than brains.

You don't even know which Apogee is considered by those famous reviewers as being the best ones -- the one that has the HIGHEST rating is the Duetta Sig original sig not moded by the group that saw the sucker overpay for scintillas -- The Duetta you claim is worst -- better let Martin Colloms and the crew at Stereophile in on that as THEY are the ones who say it is best --

And agaisnt the J not even the E the Apogee Duetta is completely blown to ****. I could have bought the Apogees years ago, but hell we don;t even need to get into Audio Note, apogee is pounded by the likes of Energy Veritas and PMC and most any reasonably competant boxed speaker -- Panels are severely severely compromised designs -- they are cheap to make and look good and yet what a surprise nobody wants them except the minority suckers who buy endless upgrade mill audio rags.

Apogee -- yeah so many really wanted them and thought they were good -- the dealer who did sell them called them expensive Bang and Olluffosns - they dumped the lline as nobody liked them and the ones they sold had to be repaired due to horrible quality ribbons that failed in ridiculous numbers.

I notice that in NONE of your pictures there is any interest in music being shown -- which is typical of audiophools buying machines over music.

[Florian]

Oh looks like i stepped on a toe
Don't worry i forgive you. Those are all quotes from the Profs. in the industry and from the ones i mentioned. The people don't own these systems (money).

Too bad noone compares AN to the best, but then again why would they.

Have a good one.

PS: Where is the pic of your system?

[PAT.P]

Oh looks like i stepped on a toe
Don't worry i forgive you. Those are all quotes from the Profs. in the industry and from the ones i mentioned. The people don't own these systems (money).

Too bad noone compares AN to the best, but then again why would they.

Have a good one.

PS: Where is the pic of your system?

I could see Flo and RGA are at it again.You shure your not brother?

[Florian]

I could see Flo and RGA are at it again.You shure your not brother?

Na, i am cool. Who cares, noone on here buys that AudioNote stuff anyways.

-Flo

[JohnMichael]

RGA, I have to ask this question. If the head of AN asked you to drink a cup of kool-aid out of the communal tub would you?

[GMichael]

RGA, I have to ask this question. If the head of AN asked you to drink a cup of kool-aid out of the communal tub would you?

OH, YUCK!!

[JohnMichael]

OH, YUCK!!

Sorry but the preaching of RGA about AN seemed to have a cult-like fervor. It just brought back thoughts of Jonestown.

[SlumpBuster]

Wow! Nice pile on onto RGA! Does anyone just get to join in or is it invite only?
I just think an argument over who has the better stereo doesn't really look like a slugfest slobberknocker, so much as it looks like a girly slap fight.

Two points to make though. 1. Am I the only one who has noticed that the post RGA made that everyone is giving him crap about was a cut and paste? He wasn't that verbose, at least not on this occasion.

2. RGA has previously posted pics of his system. And not only is it not is his parent's basement, but I think it is a nice system and would personally prefer it over Flo's system if I had to pick one without hearing it. As the case may be. As my Aunt Tilly always said, "If it ain't vinyl, it ain't audiophile."

Just my .02.

[RGA]

Wow! Nice pile on onto RGA! Does anyone just get to join in or is it invite only?
I just think an argument over who has the better stereo doesn't really look like a slugfest slobberknocker, so much as it looks like a girly slap fight.

Two points to make though. 1. Am I the only one who has noticed that the post RGA made that everyone is giving him crap about was a cut and paste? He wasn't that verbose, at least not on this occasion.

2. RGA has previously posted pics of his system. And not only is it not is his parent's basement, but I think it is a nice system and would personally prefer it over Flo's system if I had to pick one without hearing it. As the case may be. As my Aunt Tilly always said, "If it ain't vinyl, it ain't audiophile."

Just my .02.

Sorry this is going to be long as well and it's to you but more-so to the others

I answered what i thought was the question about AN J and AN UK -- Try and let the guy who owns it answer it -- thus copy and paste what he said. I have not posted a lot of AN content for months unless I saw a direct request for information or open ended question like suggest a TUBED Dac or suggest a speaker that goes in a corner. Geofcin let's the one only Apogee recommendations of his buddy Florian go because Geofcin is in the mire of panel lore with him. Even though Flo recommends Apogee every post or brings them up constantly that goes unmentioned. And folks I may often recommend AN and consistantly but at least they're bloody well in Business and didn't tank when after paying off a few reviewers got too expensive. None of those quotes are from any of those reviewers -- and a quote out of context is less usefull than the entire review.

As one knows Martin Colloms has several complaints abiout the upper midrange and lower treble of the Scintilla...yes he very much liked the speakers and in fact they may be wonfderful speakers -- but if YOU or ME are put off mostly by problems in the upper midrange and lower treble as good as they may be at EVERYTHING else they will annoy you. For me treble and upper midrange is the exact spot that I don't want problems or spikes -- i'd far rather a speaker like the Reference 3a MM De Capo which may have FOUR other problems or weakness in other areas but get that range right or at least go the other way and subdue it a tad.

I'm not saying either is the absolute RIGHT way to go for all people -- I'm saying it's the right way for ME to go and if you hear it like me then chances are you'll agree. That;s the key if you are ever going to take a critic of audio or a critic of film or anything else -- you have to be on the same page.

Steven Rochlin of enjoythemusic.com is probably someone that I would go to a show with and hear most stuff maybe more than 80% the same way based off the speakers he owns and loves - the fact that he's on more or less the same page for analog front ends, sources and Tube amplification.

I've changed my set-up quite dramatically since that last picture and sent it to Triode and company and they may add it to their customer system pictures. I certainly won;t post them at the request of people I have no respect for or who have no interest in music.

This is not an arguement over which is best -- if people want to cow tow to Florian's views that Apogee is the world Reference speaker becauswe HE says so then you are all very much entitled to believe everything he says. In a quiet moment you will remember that I say go listen to the stuff yourself and make decisions based on that -- not I have a $140,000.00 system and therefore I can hear better than you am smarter than you and know more about the reproductrion of music than you. I may overly tout the brand and that is largely because they are a smaller brand that I'd like to see people "give a shot to" rather than continually just noticing the big name because they have very deep pockets for marketing. By all means you may still like the others -- that;s the difference what's so horrendously evil about saying "I suggest you listen to the AN ____ I liked it better than A, B and C and it's worth your time to listen."

I have had 12 people from this forum take my advice and 10 have bought AN systems 1 intends to and the other has not got back to me. I know of one who bought had speakers for a while and decided to go with something else -- but still liked them -- just not his ultimate cup of tea. Well what a surprise no one is going to agree on everything.

Other people have checked out Skylan Stands and have liked those, other people have inquired about the NAD table and I think I try to be truthful about the weaknesses of what I have and will tell you that you can do better for less than the NAD 533. I'm not as blinded as Florian that because I own it is the world's reference (no pro reviewer has said that about anything -- though they sometimes SEEM to say it) Gee Martin Colloms said that the new AN UK Ongaku can be viewed in the running as world's best despite a rather vague review that sure would not leave the reader with the impression he really loved it. It's just so unwise to take what they say as gospel -- they provide some insights sometimes and they can give you information that may be useful.

And I agree with you on Vinyl. And my plug here for AN is that their owner listens to music live music and recorded music with the largest personal collection of music that was at last count on the 70,000.00 LP's and CDs and is a founder member of the MasterPrize -- they care about music -- that doesn't make them better or worse necessarily but you know that he listens to music on the stuff he builds and he loves music over a very wide number of genres. And you can't know for sure that that is the case with many. Even here one may deem it unnecessary as to whether they like music but in the world of audio with all of it's inherent compromises - stereo system's are just as much about the ART of alleviating the compromises that reach your ears as it is about the design.

As I noted there is no music in any of Flo's pics because his love is clearly with the gadget and the "keeping up with Jonses" than it is about music reproduction.

No one needs Apogee or Audio Note or any of these expensive brands to enjoy music on and the people who tell you you do to enjoy music on are people you should not be trusting. Unlike Florian when someone has a $1,000.00 budget I may recommend a $600.00 speaker from AN and say a Jolida amp or a Project table and Rotel Amp. Flo just says you're a waste of time because you're budget limits you from being worthy of breathing the same air as the self-appointed holy one of Audiophilia. And usually I have several alternate suggestions to go to. I suggest my FIRST choice - it is irresponsible for me not to. Once that's been taken off the table for whatever reason - no dealers, not interested then I give suggestion 2, 3 and 4. Also from companies that are still in business.

[SlumpBuster]

Yeah, sarcasm just doesn't translate well in forums. When I talked about the "piling on" I wasn't complimenting them. To the contrary. Original poster asked a question directly to you and you responded. Regardless of the length or content it is unfair for others to criticize the way they have. Some of the critics have suggested you are a cheerleader for AN. Duh, this is hobby about what we like. Similarly, I cheerlead Paradigm and Music Hall. Conversely, I bag on expensive wiring and snake oil, but am a sucker for turntable tweaks. We come here to the forum to talk about it, our like and dislikes. Often, at least in my case, because none of my family or friends give a sh@t about anything more than HTiB.

Some critics have chided you for being verbose, but don't notice that you were cutting and pasting an article responsive to the original posting. If you are verbose, then they are inattentive. Plus you were responding to a thread with a title that contained your name. Hell, on alot of gamer forums, its not even allowed to post a title with someones name. Some critics have demanded pictures of your system to see if it is up to snuff. Really? Does the discussion really devolve to that basic of a level. "See, look at the picture! I told you mine was so big it drags on the ground." Because if thats how we're gonna roll, then we can post pictures of our dedicated HTs, plus cars, houses, boats, summer cottages, and advanced degrees and then we can bust out with the tape measure and see whats what.

My point is that I come here to hear people talk about equipment and music. This should be diversionary. Not some pissing contest. Argumentative, fine. Debate, fine. Disagreement, fine. That can all be tempered with passion and enjoyment for good music and reproduction, as I find your posts often to be. Other people seem to be interested in a Big D contest. I stopped having those in the fifth grade, because it turns out that no matter who wins, its still just to guys showing eachother their packages.

[RGA]

Well Slump Buster You're post is something we can all learn from hopefully -- and of course it boils down to that you are correct.

[Florian]

2. RGA has previously posted pics of his system. And not only is it not is his parent's basement, but I think it is a nice system and would personally prefer it over Flo's system if I had to pick one without hearing it. As the case may be. As my Aunt Tilly always said, "If it ain't vinyl, it ain't audiophile."

Just my .02.

Well i could have gotten my own place with no dedicated room and a stereo like RGA. But i chose quality and have a dedicated music room. This room is optimized for the room acoustics, and is purely for the DIVA's. I have a 40A line to this room with no power fluctuations and solid cement walls (notice the non-wood walls?). To even compare equipment that RGA owns to equipment that i own and the resulting sound is a audiophile sinn, with TT or no TT. I will get to the holy grail with one side first and then the other, instead of average junk everywhere in the chain. As to his posts, i don't read them, they are just like i always said. Too long and "cut and paste" from his favoriete fanboys. But you have to ignore the press, which is why you dont have to read any reviews of AudioNote equipment in the first place. Ah, why am i even writing?! The hardcore audiophiles never respond to his threads anyways, there are some on thi site and a few in the picture gallery and they can apreciate a true nirvana system and i can apreciate theirs. RGA can have the floor, in the end there is only 1 person with AN here, which shows that the people have chosen what they like best.

Have a good one

-Flo

PS: I think this has to do with my auditioning of the AudioNote J in NC when i was still in the US. I wrote about it a few month back that i thought the speaker sounded like garbage to my ears. This was met by endless reviews, posts and comments from RGA about the room, electronics etc... I should point out the blind recomendation from RGA and his views of the speakers that he calls planars and their fault. He throws Martin Logan, Quad, Audiostatic, Soundlab, Stax, Apogee, Magnepan etc.. all in one bowl! And the winner from his general recomendation are always the AudioNote speakers. I dont even recommend planars anymore, i just comment on the speaker a person has chosen and help him get the most out of it.

[Geoffcin]

PS: I think this has to do with my auditioning of the AudioNote J in NC when i was still in the US. I wrote about it a few month back that i thought the speaker sounded like garbage to my ears. This was met by endless reviews, posts and comments from RGA about the room, electronics etc.

Can you post a link to your review, I'ld love to read it.

[Florian]

Thats a good question Geof. It was in one of RGA's threads where i commented on it. I never started a post as a dedicated reviewn since i knew it would unleash hell. I didnt like the colored and boomy sound. You know what i mean, you have 3.6 Maggies. They dont have box resonances, and you can hear them in boxes. The AudioNotes have a special fat magic in the midband just like the B&W's only smoother. But the highs are round and fall off and the bass is simply not as fine tuned and fast as the Maggie bass. The Maggies portray a big real image size and the AudioNotes sound small and dark by comparison with the music coming from the box. I just dont get it, how he can like it.

-Flo

[gonefishin]

Hey I think I figured out a solution. I was going to suggest that Flo and RGA both add each other to their ignore list...to finally put an end to the constant childish bickering and B.S. claims and snake oil ads with half truths from both of them.

Then I figured I'd add them both to my ignore list.

haha


bye bye (at least fer a while...hopefully you two will grow up some day! Are you sure your not brothers?)



all the best,
dan

[Florian]

That would be wonderfull! Where can i find that option?
Just a little question tough, what reviews of the ones i posted quotes from do you call BS?

Curious

.-Flo

PS: I dont advertise, there is no point in advertising. The company is dead for 7 years!

[thepogue]

CA-BOOM roflmao


http://www.martinlogan.com/prodigy_speaker.html#


so darn good they stoped makin 'em!!


I got the last set....in my vault...and 'dare mine.....ALLL MINE HAR HAR HAR


(falls to floor)

Pogue

[Florian]

It got replaced by the Summit i think. I heard it in Munich, was quite a good speaker. Subwoofer integration is getting better as time goes on.

-Flo

[Geoffcin]

CA-BOOM roflmao


http://www.martinlogan.com/prodigy_speaker.html#


so darn good they stoped makin 'em!!


I got the last set....in my vault...and 'dare mine.....ALLL MINE HAR HAR HAR


(falls to floor)

Pogue

***** Stax,

You got the worlds largest (and best) electrostatic headphones!

[thepogue]

they broke the mold on the Prodigy's cuz they we're afraid they would take over the world.....basically the same reason they sent all the whiskey to Ireland...fear me lady...pure fear...

Pogue

[RGA]

All of your quotes are B.S.

Gee how many people on this forum own apogees? Most were smart enough to sell them to some other suckers. Or they just fell apart.

[Geoffcin]

It got replaced by the Summit i think. I heard it in Munich, was quite a good speaker. Subwoofer integration is getting better as time goes on.

-Flo

Is very room and setup dependant. Even the small Apogees with cone speaker woofer were, when set up correctly, quite stunning. Truly nothing beats a ribbon, or planar sheet for midrange, and treble responce.

[Florian]

All of your quotes are B.S.

Gee how many people on this forum own apogees? Most were smart enough to sell them to some other suckers. Or they just fell apart.

You stupid SOB, you have absolutly no ****ing clue whatsoever. The reason the 3200 Apogee users in our club don't post on this site is because morons like you have no understanding of speakers at all and quote stupid bull**** from the partners in buisiness.
**** you, and your stupid bull**** advertising for a overprized ****box made out of cartboard. How many on here on planar systems and how many own **** cartboard speakers?

I quote from the Stereophile, Hi-Fi Choice, Audiophiles, HI-FI News and Hifi Exclusive.

I am through with you, you are the dumbest advertising ****er on this site. Good thing people don't buy that ****.

-Flo