The real issue is that many brand-bashers are simply furious at the sucess of the mass market manufacturers and take delight in concocting various conspiracy theories accusing them of trading in bad faith. I thought it fun, when JA named one of Paradigm 100v3 very good value in comparison to the boutique brands, the real truth that many boutique brands cannot compete on equal footing with the mass market manufacturers and force to restrict their products to upper end of the market. The last time I heard a B&W 802, I was very impressed, moreso because I had heard were regarded audiophile brands that simply did not cut the mustard, also the Revel M20, I was very impressed, these speakers perform well. Somehow I think many audiophile waste a lot of money and effort giving attention to a misguided prejudices, and end up paying exhorbitant prices for not a lot of performance. Some speakers are poor value but that applies to boutique as well as mass market manufacturers, a speaker that needs an amplifier with rolled-off frequency extremes to perform well , amazing.