There is a deal on ebay right now for a Pinnacle 12" 200watt sub for $131 including shipping. It is brand new w/ a warrenty from the factory. That is the best deal I out there for a cheap sub going right now. I own over 20 Pinnacle speakers, for the $ they sound fantastic. I have never owned one of their subs, but their regular speakers have great low end for their size.