Highest frequency that cannot be "localized" by the ear?

[theaudiohobby]

in room response from a professional installer measured at 100db from it's rated "flat" 1khz tone. Forget the Saint Saens what a laugh. Let's give it some synthed pop -- put on some Madonna pop and even ACDC rock and the bass and midbadd and upper bass equal George Castanza after coming out of the pool.

??? What relevance does a 1KHz tone with the lower -6dB point.How about just leaving aside the trivia and simply answering the original question.

You're the one who brought up the 6db point -- you're the one who has the speaker -- you post it and I shall let you know if you are lying or not - I am referring to the bigger bass version in the ESL 63

I posited the question to you because of your previous comments because I suspected and rightly in the light of your responses that you are going by hearsay, rather than having any real firsthand knowledge of these ESLs.

Pat D echoes my sentiments and your response to his post is well..a rant. By the way going by your response to Pat D, we Quad owners should be in a better position to discuss sub integration since "most anyone who owns a quad rushes right out and buys a subwoofer!"

[RGA]

??? What relevance does a 1KHz tone with the lower -6dB point.How about just leaving aside the trivia and simply answering the original question.



I posited the question to you because of your previous comments because I suspected and rightly in the light of your responses that you are going by hearsay, rather than having any real firsthand knowledge of these ESLs.

Pat D echoes my sentiments and your response to his post is well..a rant. By the way going by your response to Pat D, we Quad owners should be in a better position to discuss sub integration since "most anyone who owns a quad rushes right out and buys a subwoofer!"

The ESL 63 was measured professionally by a dealer in Vancouver who I know fairly well. They did several measurements to fill out a frequency plot --- that dealer is a the biggest pro dealsihip in Canada and the biggest Bryston pro monitoring ansd seller to recording studios in BC. So they know how to measure they have a full studio and they install. I am not going to get into this again but with listening to the 63 and being dismayed at how truly bad it is and then having them just grin in agreement with the points I made they just said "yeah I bet you can;t find a worse speaker in the entire store -- and they sold B&O knowing B&O was no good but it sells. I commented on the bass and the reply was yeah it has none. On a good day in the right room it might hit 35hz at the -10db rate but not at any sort of volume - they don't rock.

I mean forget ALL rock and pop, country and dance, rap or ANYTHING with a ANY sort of drum, rythm or depth of stage. You get a thin two dimensional stage which if you sit in a vice will give you big scale(which is artifically imprinted by the speakers as most very large speakers tend to do) -- and while it's very clear it is because the total lack of bass will sound clear and thin sound sounds clear (so being free of bass and balls and dynamics may be arguesd as free of box colouration but then it's also free of 50% of ewhat was on the recording too.

It took 2 years but somebody did buy them so preferences are the key thing -- somebody found something in them to like but please don;t give me they are great for all music and great bass speakers - puhleeze http://www.commercialelectronics.ca/...eringHome.html

[Florian]

I think your a little bit too negative on him RGA. The Quads do some things very well, but your right they dont rock. I also dont agree on his "Facts" on subwoofer integration with the panel. But they are definetly way beyond the B&O speakers. The midrange is very nice on them and is great for listening to female voices. You are right about the enlargment of voices on speakers with a large surface area but the difference between flat and curved panels are quite big. Flat panels dont suffer from the size changing imaging when moving in its radiating plane like curved panels do. Also most box speakers incl. AN's display the image scale too small. There is no optimium speaker but i wouldnt cut the Quad down like that. It does have a special midrange magic and is very resolving in its frequency range.

-Flo