Good music speakers?

[N. Abstentia]

Gold plated RCA jacks, 3" woofers, plastic tweeter, 10 watts of pure raw power....what more could one want out of a speaker?

[Whatever6750]

OK lots of posts cence i last checked...

Ok I have picked up a HK3480 192.05+shipping from HK full warrenty

So that leaves me with about 300 or so.

For 325 i can get some AS-F2s or 300 if i drive 200 miles to get them...

And as far as thows "studio monitors" Just forget it. I would rather stick to my cheap 60$ computer speakers if i where to only get 20w total no matter how good thay sounded..

I whent to Bestbuy today and thay had some Klispch speakers set up that imo sounded good, With the sub on also thow. Thay had some smaller bookself speakers that where like 50ish each that allong with the sub sounded good imo. Ill probly go back some time this weekend and listen to them a bit better and wright down with speakers that actuly where. And if thay where like 100/pair at Bestbuy i sould be able to find them online for a bit less.

Sorry if some of that dosent make cence, my sis woke me up and i couldent get back to sleep..

[SpankingVanillaice]

Well its actualy 3-5/8" (Magnetically-Shielded) and the tweeters are 2in (Magnetically-Shielded) too. But if you really are crazy about power and you want the monitors to be very low priced then get the MA-20D since thay have twice the power of the MA-10D so the MA-20D goes up to 40 Watts BUT they will not sound good as the MA-10D since the freq response is only from 50Hz to 22kHz on the MA-20D and the MA-10D is from 45Hz to 35kHz. See the difference??? I can say I will never buy home speakers anymore since they don't sound good as pro studio monitors do that's for sure. As I said home speakers attend to add enhancements like adding more bass or treble too much. I prefer speakers that play flat response and play 100% how the recording is done without enhancements at all.

[N. Abstentia]

Okay okay, jeez. Give it up. I originally thought you were joking, because NOBODY is really this stupid.....but the more you talk the more I think you're actually serious and you think those 'monitors' (I know..speakers suck, monitors rule) actually sound good.

I'm leaving this alone, you're really scaring me. Please tell me you're joking....

[Whatever6750]

Yeah just forget the "studio monitors" I need something that can fill a 15*20ish size room loudly, Or as loudly and still sound good as i can afford. Not some studio monitors used for recording..

[SpankingVanillaice]

No I was not jocking the whole time I am serious studio monitors are the best speakers you can get thay are 1000 times better than any home speakers for sure. If you really want good monitors then get JBL or Mackie or something like that to use in your home theater or just for music listening. But as I said before for the price of my monitors nothin can beat them.

[Whatever6750]

No I was not jocking the whole time I am serious studio monitors are the best speakers you can get thay are 1000 times better than any home speakers for sure. If you really want good monitors then get JBL or Mackie or something like that to use in your home theater or just for music listening. But as I said before for the price of my monitors nothin can beat them.

All well i guess ill just miss out and deal with my 1000 times worse speakers..

[rockecat]

Here you go, if you want some bad boy small speakers these are some of the best ever made.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1

[Whatever6750]

How much if any diffrentce would there be between the AS-F2.1s and 2.2s? I herd there just lighter and look a bit diffrent.

[dingus]

Yeah just forget the "studio monitors" I need something that can fill a 15*20ish size room loudly, Or as loudly and still sound good as i can afford. Not some studio monitors used for recording..

for that size room you really dont need a big speaker, you only need a good quality speaker. i am at work right now, 20'x45' room with a pair of Advent Utility speakers driven with a 55wpc Yamaha R-700 receiver. i'm a good 35' away from the speakers as i type this, the sound is quite good and fills the room nicely and this is at relatively low volume. these speakers will flat out rock when called upon. your best value is always going to be via the second hand route. depending on where you live, craigslist.org can be a boon. i picked up the Advents for $40 and the receiver for $35 from craigslist.

if you must buy new, so far the best recommendations have been the Maggies and the Athena's, you cant go wrong with either of them. another good retail buy would be these Wharfdale 8.4's.

do your research and dont buy junk, you will regret it for years to come.

[SpankingVanillaice]

Ok guys I quit playing games now I will get serious now. To tell you the truth I know that there are great home speakers out there that sound really realistic like the person if right there. Like those Paradigm Reference speakers I do have to admit that they do sound really good and clear. But I can say the speakers I only owned were JBL's so that's why I just say they are the best since that's the only best brand speakers I ever owned.

[Florian]

And see thats what i said in the other posts, for you it starts with the jbl's. For others it starts with the Paradigm Reference. Life and learn and in time upgrade.

[Whatever6750]

Well after reading reveiws and such im thinking those As-F2.1s would be nice then for xmas i would probly get a sub.

Do you think there worth 335 Shipped?

I could probly get some Fluance AV-F3s And a dayton 12" sub whitch would probly be better then just the F2.1s but in the long run if i get a sub to go allong with the f2.1s that would probly be better wouldent it?

I dont have the whole 325 on had but the guy with them said he will take a deposet and hold them for me. Good Deal?

[dingus]

Well after reading reveiws and such im thinking those As-F2.1s would be nice then for xmas i would probly get a sub.

Do you think there worth 335 Shipped?

I could probly get some Fluance AV-F3s And a dayton 12" sub whitch would probly be better then just the F2.1s but in the long run if i get a sub to go allong with the f2.1s that would probly be better wouldent it?

I dont have the whole 325 on had but the guy with them said he will take a deposet and hold them for me. Good Deal?

shipped to your door thats not a bad deal, not a steal though. you dont even know if you will like them, i would find out before spending $300+.

[Whatever6750]

shipped to your door thats not a bad deal, not a steal though. you dont even know if you will like them, i would find out before spending $300+.

Yeah only thing is i cant find any one with them set up to be listed to..

[Whatever6750]

Dose any one know how that would compair to Klipsch F-2s?

I listend to the Klipsch F-2s at bestbuy the other day and thay sounded pritty good imo light on the bass thow. I think there was just 2 6.5" woofers thow. The Klipsch F-2s Wilth the sub thay had there sounded rilly good to me, So if thay both sound about the same once i could afford a nice sub i would be happy.

[Whatever6750]

Bit more info on the AS-F2s, The guy says there only about 3 months old and not eavn broken in yet.

I also have a rx question, Is it ok to run two diffrent speakers on A and B at the same time?

[dave123456@mail.com]

PSB speakers are pretty good for rock. You could probabaly get something like the Image 5t for pretty cheap of off Audiogon. Maybe even the Stratus Silvers.

[dingus]

i have no problem recommending the Athena's but you wont know if they are your "cup of tea" until you hear them. that said, i have never, ever heard anyone say they didnt like the way the Athena's sound. i cant imagine you wouldnt be happy with the Athena's but you never know. i still like the Wharfedale 8.4's and another i speaker in this class i like is the KEF Coda 90. all 3 have their own distinctive sound, and compare quite well with one another.

I also have a rx question, Is it ok to run two diffrent speakers on A and B at the same time?

this will depend on your amplifier and the ohm rating of the speakers.

[Whatever6750]

this will depend on your amplifier and the ohm rating of the speakers.

http://www.harmankardon.com/specific...203480&sType=C

Pritty sure 8 ohm not 100% thow

[dingus]

by the spec, it will drive a 4 Ohm load with 2 pair of speakers. when using A and B outputs, if you are driving 2 pair of 8 Ohm speakers, the load on the amp will be 4 Ohm. if both pairs of speakers are 4 Ohm the load would be 2 Ohms, for 2 pair of 16 Ohm the load would be 8 Ohms.

[Whatever6750]

Any way to test what ohm the speakers are?

[Florian]

What you want to know is the impedance curve over the whole frequancy spectrum and not just an average.

-Flo

[GMichael]

What you want to know is the impedance curve over the whole frequancy spectrum and not just an average.

-Flo

Hey Flo,
Is there a way that the average Joe can test this? What do we need?

[Florian]

Well this is a good guide right here http://www.epanorama.net/documents/a...impedance.html

I will explain why this is important on my own equipment. (for the sake of not pissing someone off)

The Apogee DIVA is listed as a 4ohm speaker. This doesnt sound hard at all and any decent SS amp in the matching price class should be able to drive those. BUT those 4ohms are a "average". The DIVA drops down to 2ohm between 8khz and 12khz. So lets say your cruising along with Diana Krall and she starts one of her high pitched orgies and the load drops to 2ohms on the amp. Many good amps will not like this drop in impedance and will not be able to deliever the power needed and will start to clip. I have a few Ampzilla 2000 Monoblocks here which are rated 200 Watts at 8ohms and 400 into 4. Supposely it can drive any load but lets take a closer look. The amp is bridged and sees half the load internally. So the DIVA drops to 2ohms and the Ampzila sees a 1ohm load which then sends him clipping i can clearly hear it on the DIVA.

People often take this candy ratings like 300wpc and think its a good amp with lots of power, the trick is to get a amp that is stable across the whole spectrum. So you have to know what the lowest and highest resistance is of your speakers and match the equipment acordingly. My big Sphinx amp (new picture in the gallery) can drive a 1ohm load with no problem and drop over 40A of current. It will never clip under any load, no matter how much the curve changes.

:-)

PS: Here is a system pic with everything completed