Quote Originally Posted by RGA
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You like to clutter the issue of room acoustics. I could not care less where you do the auditions so long as it's the same room - if one wants to do this at home so be it - but if speakers are built for a viariety of rooms - which they should be - then I want one that will perform in a variety of rooms fairly consistantly without the need of liberal room treatments. In normal carpeted rooms with average furnishings you SHOULD get reasonably good sound.

You imply that one speaker will do better than another speaker and it's all room dependant. So a Paradigm Studio 100 will be better than a $40.00 Yorx, but gee if you get the room right the $40.00 Yorx will beat the Studio 100 - please enlighten me where you got that notion - yes substitute Bose for Yorx if you wish. Makes me wonder why anyone would spend more than $200.00 on a ludspeaker if you can convert any speaker into the Dynaudio Evidence master by simply running a frequency sweep and a parametric eq - who cares if the De Capo has a 5db dip you can just morph that up to flat anyway.

If you can just move your speakers to any room like you did and adjust the room treatments to follow suit - then you can and should be able to do that for any speaker (assuming the speaker is designed for the room size). Yes if there is a sliding scale of potentiality where you can maximize a given speaker's best sound and such a scale is out of 100 where one room only gets 35% of the speaker's ability while using treatments or chaniging rooms or both can get 98% of the speaker's best I am not arguing. The room has an influence on the end resulting sound that hits your ears but it is not the actual tonality of what is being played -- a C on a piano is not affected to change it to some other note when it gets to the ear - you get room induced effects yes changing the characteristics of fundamental instruments no. And my contention is that it is here as to why my auditions led me to Audio Note over the B&W and Paradigm models.

Moving my speakers 2 inches will change the way the room acts upon the ending sound and that goes for many if not all speakers out there...but it's not to such a degree in any room i've been in auditioning as to adversely detract from getting a good idea of what the speaker can do. Our ears are quite forgiving over 1/3 octave bands and on frequency anomolies. Frequency response is changed at every listening position in the room at that position --- if you are one meter away dead center or 8 meters away and 5 feet over to the left - These can be HUGE differences no matter what the hell you do to the room you are not covering all your positions because a bass trap and other treatment that works at 1 meter may ruin the other position.

Granted these are extreme examples but it is true from one side of your head to the other to some degree. If Richard Green is correct then the Rat Shack SPL is also largely innacurate above 2khz. If we're talking about bass it can be done by ear. I found my speaker at one position had a frequency dip at 50hz and more prominant at 40hz - I could tell that by listening(well not the specific frequency but I could tell that there was something not quite right - running my frequency sweep several times and re-positioning one can easily "dial" in audibly what is sounding correct while also alternating with Piano recordings since we should know the piano reasonably well. Then run the frequency sweep again and deterimine audibly if it sounds right. Most speakers in vogue right now are positioned in a very very similar location with similar instructions ~2-3 feet from all walls toe in as desired blah blah blah.

Surely you're not saying the room is so disasterous that you ccannot assess any loudspeakers without the need for extensive room treatments and run computer programs to achieve a flat response at the listening position. Please

As for receivers - they affect what initially comes out of a speaker The room cannot fix it if it's ruined from note one. More to the game than just frequency response.

You say sub integration is seamless - you want me to retract the word perfect fine if it makes you happy consider it retracted --- so you say it's seamless have said its seamless and now say it's as seamless as the best 3 way speakers you've heard. I suppose that depends on what you've heard - I suppose I could agree that some subs I have heard integrate about as well as a number of speakers as well (the Snell B-Minor comes to mind) - that doesn't say much in itself however.
You don't know what you are talking about, RGA. Just because speakers sound good in the store (or elsewhere) doesn't guarantee they will sound as good at home. It is quite possible to find several speakers that sound great in the store (or a friend's house, etc.) and get them home and find some of them don't sound as good at home whereas some others may sound even better. That's just the way it is whether you like it or not.

BTW, you had better read Doctor Richard's pescriptions for the bass region again as you have the figures wrong . . .

It's hardly our fault if you, and apparently your dealer, don't have the skills to get good results with subwoofers.