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    A "Devils advocate" is some one who takes a position they don't necessarily agree with for the sake of argument. So why argue? I sure dont want too.

    Don't make B&W the model or standard for all vertical speaker companies. You would be foolish to do so.

    Larger speaker companies like Canton and B&W, Paradigm, Revel, Monitor Audio, Dynaudio and now Dali after years of out sourcing their woofers, tweeters and drivers, but now are Vertical integrated, and a few others have the resources, drive and motivation as well as the will to do what they do. So its no biggie to them to switch out the equipment and tools for the what they want to do in a design or hire in a engineer to make their designs work. Does that make a Vertical company better than one who hires out parts? Yes and no. But I wont argue the pro's and cons here. I dont really want too argue.

    But having said that, there is one advantage of a Vertical company like Canton that I know of...you wont find their parts in Parts Express. Is that a bad thing? Maybe not, but I just cant help wondering if that popular speaker that cost 5k a pair sounds close too or almost like another popular speaker that cost $500. I have read many accounts on different forums where the person stated his popular British speaker needed a new woofer. He takes the old one out, looks at it and the name of the speaker company is on the woofer, but the company who MADE the speaker is also stamped on the speaker. One such guy even called his dealer after the woofer stopped working and the dealer told him that if he order that woofer from the British company who purchased the drives for their product it would cost $600, but he would also be able to get that same woofer from Madisound for $70. He said its the exact same woofer with only one number in the model number changed. That was a good thing for the consumer who own the broken speaker....but I wonder about stuff like that.

    There is a guy here in St. Louis who makes very nice speakers and sells them all over the States. Check his site out.

    Vapor : Exquisite Audio Reproduction

    I asked him one day if he uses top shelf from parts express or any other company that sells parts...or if has them design to his specs by Scanspeak or RAAL or who ever he buys from. He said it depends but most times he just buys from Parts Express.

    So the moral of my little true accounts is while speaking for Canton and not B&W or any other company, is with a Vertical Integrated Company like Canton, you get a guarantee exclusivity. Once you get to know their sound, you wont hear it any place else in any body else speakers other than Canton... Is that a bad thing or good thing? Its all in the eye and heart of the believer...or should I say the audiophile....too each his own.


    And speaking of the the Vertical Integrted Dynaudio, who at one time use to sell drivers at Parts Express and a few other parts companies, but now don't, I wonder what their motivation was to stop?.....hmmmm.
    Last edited by frenchmon; 06-06-2012 at 03:09 AM.
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