Audio Note speaker design

[theaudiohobby]

Of course not, nor would I expect a 6 dB variance in the gain of an amplifier to be unnoticed except perhaps for frequencies below 200 Hz. Nor would I expect every single room to allow a +3 dB gain to be observed at the listening position vs at 1 m across the spectrum. Care to deliver the punch line without masking?

Not sure where you are going with the "observable effects across the spectrum", my questions specifically excluded that possibility.

There is no punch line to deliver. My question was posed to elicit a clarification of your comments in less equivocal terms i.e. Specific speaker behaviour observed under anechoic conditions that's not masked in-room.

[kexodusc]

Not sure where you are going with the "observable effects across the spectrum", my questions specifically excluded that possibility.

There is no punch line to deliver. My question was posed to elicit a clarification of your comments in less equivocal terms i.e. Specific speaker behaviour observed under anechoic conditions that's not masked in-room.

Then it is now obvious to me you missed the entire point.

[E-Stat]

BTW, while I admit I could be guilty, exactly what point did I overstate? I never even brought up the issue of woofer size...

You're not alone. I've had some really bizarre round-the-world-with-no-destination discussions with TAH.

What ARE you talking about ?

Don't bother following the lengthy thread. I never got the an answer to his ridiculous *charges*.

rw

[theaudiohobby]

Then it is now obvious to me you missed the entire point.

Maybe, however GMicheal and Ajani responses to your post suggest I was not alone, GMicheal's is particularly interesting because it's unsurprisingly at odds with your eventual response to my question. Doesn't matter to me as you have now clarified your overstated comments on speaker anechoic behaviour

[GMichael]

Maybe, however GMicheal and Ajani responses to your post suggest I was not alone, GMicheal's is particularly interesting because it's unsurprisingly at odds with your eventual response to my question. Doesn't matter to me as you have now clarified your overstated comments on speaker anechoic behaviour

I understood him perfectly. Did my best to reword it so even you would get it, but it didn't work. It seems like you just want to argue. Good luck to the people closest to you.

[theaudiohobby]

You're not alone. I've had some really bizarre round-the-world-with-no-destination discussions with TAH.

What ARE you talking about ?

Don't bother following the lengthy thread. I never got the an answer to his ridiculous *charges*.

rw

Ha..ha... Thats why there are so many lawyers and courts up and down the land,. even after a court judgement on a dispute some folks still do not have an "answer", the only difference is they have to comply with the judgement regardless .

[theaudiohobby]

I understood him perfectly. Did my best to reword it so even you would get it, but it didn't work. It seems like you just want to argue. Good luck to the people closest to you.

ya...ya.....that was some rewording...

[audio amateur]

You're a strange fella TAH

[theaudiohobby]

You're a strange fella TAH

why?

[GMichael]

ya...ya.....that was some rewording...

Thanks for making my point.

[audio amateur]

why?

Simply the impression I have after reading through your posts. It looks like others mirror the sentiment.
No harm done though, everyone's a little strange

[kexodusc]

Maybe, however GMicheal and Ajani responses to your post suggest I was not alone, GMicheal's is particularly interesting because it's unsurprisingly at odds with your eventual response to my question. Doesn't matter to me as you have now clarified your overstated comments on speaker anechoic behaviour

Oh dear. It looks like you failed to comprehend GM's and Ajani's points as well.

Your questions about tone control switches and out-of-nowhere opinion on woofers remains completely out of context with my original comment, rendering anything you said irrelevant to the discussion.

Though I'm glad you agreed with my point on the relatively inconsequential need to focus on baffle diffraction and other minor design issues at the expense of the important stuff. Interestingly enough, that side of your personality seems to agree with me. I like him.

[theaudiohobby]

Simply the impression I have after reading through your posts. It looks like others mirror the sentiment.
No harm done though, everyone's a little strange

Your comments are not much help for correcting unintentional poor board ethics, but thanks anyhow..

[kexodusc]

You're not alone. I've had some really bizarre round-the-world-with-no-destination discussions with TAH.

What ARE you talking about ?

Don't bother following the lengthy thread. I never got the an answer to his ridiculous *charges*.

rw

Ok, you win.

[theaudiohobby]

Oh dear. It looks like you failed to comprehend GM's and Ajani's points as well. .

Why? I understand perfectly that certain minor flaws detected under anechoic conditions are less audible or even completely inaudible in-room, so what's the misunderstanding? I felt you overstated your original position, thats all.

Your questions about tone control switches and out-of-nowhere opinion on woofers remains completely out of context with my original comment, rendering anything you said irrelevant to the discussion. .

The question about tone controls was simply an attempt to illustrate that there are many important issues (such as upper midrange lift) picked up under anechoic conditions that are easily detectable in-room. Speaking for myself, I do not have difficulty mapping anechoic behavior to in room conditions, though I accept it's not always cut and dry. Evidently, my attempt was not very successful. I accept that the woofer question was out of context in this thread, it was a carry over from another thread.

Though I'm glad you agreed with my point on the relatively inconsequential need to focus on baffle diffraction and other minor design issues at the expense of the important stuff. Interestingly enough, that side of your personality seems to agree with me. I like him.

Your are welcome...

[Rich-n-Texas]

Wots going on here

Everybody out of the pool!

[Ajani]

Wots going on here

Everybody out of the pool!

It wasn't me... I didn't do it.... What are those bubbles? ugghh

I think GM peed in the pool again...

[Rich-n-Texas]

And Who Threw The Baby Ruth Bar In The Pool!!!

[Rich-n-Texas]

TAH = MW?

[audio amateur]

TAH = MW?

Could very well be..

[E-Stat]

Could very well be..

I am always impressed by those who are truly multi-lingual. I took about five years of French in school ages ago, but practically speaking, I've never been able to use what I learned so my abilities are very limited. (J'ai cinq ans de Francais a l'ecole tres hier!)

Having said that, I think TAH's native language is NOT English and therefore he sometimes has difficulty communicating with others. I've asked him direct questions before where he acts baffled and never answers. If I didn't fully understand someone, I would ask them more questions. Here again, I would likely do far worse if this forum were in French.

rw

[theaudiohobby]

I am always impressed by those who are truly multi-lingual. I took about five years of French in school ages ago, but practically speaking, I've never been able to use what I learned so my abilities are very limited. (J'ai cinq ans de Francais a l'ecole tres hier!)

Having said that, I think TAH's native language is NOT English and therefore he sometimes has difficulty communicating with others. I've asked him direct questions before where he acts baffled and never answers. If I didn't fully understand someone, I would ask them more questions. Here again, I would likely do far worse if this forum were in French.

rw

Estat, in what context do you use "native"? And I do not answer your "direct" questions where I think they would result in circular discussions.

[audio amateur]

I am always impressed by those who are truly multi-lingual. I took about five years of French in school ages ago, but practically speaking, I've never been able to use what I learned so my abilities are very limited. (J'ai cinq ans de Francais a l'ecole tres hier!)

Having said that, I think TAH's native language is NOT English and therefore he sometimes has difficulty communicating with others. I've asked him direct questions before where he acts baffled and never answers. If I didn't fully understand someone, I would ask them more questions. Here again, I would likely do far worse if this forum were in French.

rw

You could be completely right about that. However, his location does suggest otherwise, which makes it a little strange. He also could speak up for himself and ask more questions in the case that he does not understand.
It doesn't bother me but if I was discussing something it would rapidly fatigue me. Thanks for pointing it out

[E-Stat]

Estat, in what context do you use "native"?

As, in which language did your mother teach you to say "Ma Ma" and "Da Da". What was that?

And I do not answer your "direct" questions where I think they would result in circular discussions.

Circular discussions? Let's take a look at text from my example over at AA:
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TAH: By the way, I particularly enjoyed the lecture that Bold eagle gave you the other day, now that was good lecture on logical fallacies.

E: I will be happy to respond to any real examples of anything said by me or others. For a change, why don't you begin with facts? Cite the specifics behind your imagination.

TAH: You on the other hand, are you typical audiophile poster. Let's start with Bold Eagle's comments, can you validate the cause and effect pairing of your KimberKable Power cord experiments? (links to thread where Bold Eagle is absent)

E: Let's do start with Bold Eagle's comments.Where are they? Certainly not in the linked thread. I'll say it again: You make comments that bear no resemblance to reality.

TAH: Nice try EStat, back to the old game of playing dumb at every request.

E: Are you incapable of following a stream of thought? ...I continue to await your ability to deliver any modicum of truth to your accusation. Dumb? No. Persistent? Yes. Still waiting. You remain in fantasy land. Or, have incredibly poor memory. Do you believe poster Bold Eagle = jj? Do you believe that "the other day" refers to something two years ago? You really need to get your head straight because you continue to babble.

TAH: When will you quit playing dumb? So you are still playing dumb in attempt to subvert the discussion down a cul de sac. I notice that you've sidestepped substantive issue, your comments on KimberKable PCs to chip way at irrelevant issues such Bold Eagle=jj, Is two years ago the other day etc?

E: I am doing my best to understand your bizarre behavior. Let's try this in a more simple fashion to see if you can comprehend such. I'll ask one question and you provide one answer, please.

DO YOU HAVE ANY REFERENCES TO BACK UP YOUR ORIGINAL CLAIM ABOUT BOLD EAGLE?

All this requires is a simple "Yes" or "No".

TAH: Same here. (quote by E: "DO YOU HAVE ANY REFERENCES TO BACK UP YOUR ORIGINAL CLAIM ABOUT BOLD EAGLE?") Clarify.

E: Clarify? You made this observation:

(quote by TAH: By the way, I particularly enjoyed the lecture that Bold eagle gave you the other day, now that was good lecture on logical fallacies.)

So, what does that mean? One might reasonably assume you are referring to an event that has actually taken place. Since it has not, I understandably want to know what you mean. Are you simply confused as to the poster? Are you confused as to the time frame? Both? What is the relevance to any of your remarks to Jerry from Cleveland, OH? Or is this yet another fig newton of your imagination? Can you speeky Engrish?

TAH: Yet another weasel, a twist on the playing dumb tactic. A good twist on the playing dumb tactic, making a claim for specificity where none was implied. I guess I should expect another weasel from you.

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This is not representative of someone who really grasps the English language.

rw

[E-Stat]

...but if I was discussing something it would rapidly fatigue me.

C'est vrai, mon ami. It is most fatiguing.

rw