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Any opinions on Jamo Speakers?
Does anybody own Jamo speakers?
Happy about your purchase? Which type did you purchase? Oriel, Concert, 7-series?
Warmer sound or a colder sound? Dynamic enough?
How good are these speakers compared to other brands? How high-end are these speakers?
thanks!
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I do not own a pair but auditioned some Jamo when I was searching for speakers. I heard the series with the concrete front baffle and looked like a bullet was poked through the mid-bass driver. These would have been real contenders for me except the store owner wouldn't let me take them home for an audition. The best amp he had to run them was a Sony ES and even with that they sounded pretty good. I liked the bookshelf at $2k best. It seemed to have punchier bass than the tower with two 6 1/2 drivers. This just may have been because the amp couldn't drive the towers sufficiently. I liked them better than the B&W. Unfortunately I didn't get to hear the Jamo to their full potential but from what I did hear I think they are the real thing. I found them to be dynamic and a pleasure to listen to. I don't like to label speakers as "warm" or otherwise, I think a speaker should be neutral and accurately reflect the characteristics of your electronics. I fell for and own Dynaudio. I will always wonder what those Jamos could have done strapped to my Krell.
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The new Jamo's have been getting ripped to shreds for horrible sound in both What Hi Fi and the blind listening sessions at Hi fi CHoice.
The older Jamo line is here sold at a drug store called London Drugs which compared to the low end Klipsch series is pretty good because jamo avoids the sibilance in the highs. The older series isn't bad but it's kind of lackluster...always been my experience...there'snothing really egregious aboutJamo's sound but nothing that makes my toes tap either. The older line is completely outclassed by comparable B&W's, Missions, Wharfedales IMO.
Most of their speakers if not all do possess a soft dome so it's surprising that they can sound brighter than some metal tweeters...which shows there are always exceptions...Vandersteen uses metal drivers and are anything but bright so it goes both ways. Some Jamo did get 4 stars but are the expensive ones...these more budget contenders did less well.
http://www.hifichoice.co.uk/review_read.asp?ID=1956
http://www.hifichoice.co.uk/review_read.asp?ID=768
http://www.hifichoice.co.uk/review_read.asp?ID=516
SO it depends on your budget.
Jamo isn't a brand I think of when someone mentions high end speakers - but people's view of high end are different.
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Right, right, right...
I have to agree with the fact that some Jamo-models are indeed outclassed by brands like B&W and Wharfedale's.
The point of this post was to check what the audio-community thinks of Jamo.
I find that Jamo indeed works with cheaper materials and does less R&D than lets say B&W. But they do manage to be cheaper and still provide a true hifi-experience.
I myself once had the choice between B&W 600 series and Jamo 7.7's. I chose the last one. Because the 600 series, to me personally, are ridiculous. They lauched the series with an enormous publicity to be the more affordable range of B&W. They are indeed more dynamic than most speakers but only in the high's and mid's, they completely lack bass-authority. B&W noticed this! What happened? B&W put them in a HT-configuration with bookshelfs as surroundspeakers and a big ugly subwoofer added to give the necessary bass.
I don't hate B&W, on the contrary! I love the 700 series and the nautilusseries but they simply a little to costly for my taste.
Now the Jamo 7.7's have enough bass, the high's and mid's are very dynamic aswell, thanks to fiberopticfabric-cones.
But that's just my opinion apparently?!
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Ok....now I might not own Jamo but they are not as bad as Hifichoice makes them out to be....all these reviews must be taken with a pinch of salt.....
I have heard Jamo extensively(though I dont own them). Some of their range is very very good. Yes, they do have the cheaper versions too but then again they cater to all segments of the speaker market.
Jamo E855, E870, D570, D590, D830, D870 are all very very good speakers especially the last four. They do very well in the market too. I suggest you audition any of the above and you will like them for their price point.
Jamo outclassed by Wharfedale ???? B&W I can swallow but Wharfedale ? Sorry I dont agree to that at all.....by the way the above mentioned jamo's are not bright at all.
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I Hope...
I hope your referring to the post RGA placed on this thread?! I wouldn't call Jamo outclassed since I mentioned "some Jamo-speaker models are outclassed"! And indeed, Jamo tries hard to appeal to all pricecategories!
Funny thing happened! My usual dealer for audio-equipment has abandoned audio and gave the audio-part to be run by one of his partners in their firm. Prices went up immediately.
I believe you can imagine my disappoinment! I now have to pay about 10% to 15% more for the same main-speakerpair. I'm already thinking of switching dealers. (My money doesn't grow in my garden, I have to go out and earn it!!)
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I'm no expert but I recently acquired a vintage Sony T 2000A/T-3200A amplifier combo and for the moment am using an old set of Jamo D-2 bookshelf speakers with it. I had no idea that music could sound this good. The speakers weren't much to listen to on my old unit, an ICC600 integrated amp, but are remarkable on a good, low distortion amplifier with enough power to drive them. They aren't notable for their bass which suits my listening tastes, but they have led me to understand finally what the "soundstage" people here talk about is.
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Sterio,
I had a family member who swears in this brand. He recently upgraded them 2 years ago, not sure which model, they had a black timber finish with two 6.5 drivers (I think) and a small dome tweeter.
This was driven by an older Rotel amp, I have to admit they did a good job sounded, best way to descibe, laid back ( i suppose, you could call it warm). These speakers don't match my music taste, but, nevertheless I was impressed. P.S they did a good job of really filling up a very large garage.
Brad
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careless b,
yeah ...I know what you are syaing.....Most people just wave them off as a lifestyle product but some of their models are serious stuff like...E855, D570/590, D830, D870.
People should hear them. yes they do have a sort of laid back sound but the D870 is really a very very good speaker.
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Acquiring a pair is a whole other story, however
I can't say anything about the quality, but pay attention to what one post mentioned: that the store would not let him try the speakers out at his home. I have had similar experiences with Jamo. They are essentially a European manufacturer that hasn't found a way to break into the American market. If, and that's a big if, you can find a dealer, then you have some options, but personally I stay away from products that are so secretive. Kind of reminds me of Klipsch, which Jamo claims to outperform, although I have not heard that. And their website is a mess too, if you want to find out specs., good luck.
There are so many other companies that have excellent customer support, that Jamo was just never an option for me. If you happily own a pair already, then I'm sure you will disagree, so don't flame me. This was just my experience.
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just could be a story of an un-cooperative store owner.
nevertheless, they are worth a listen.
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I've had a pair of Jamo S60 surround speakers for about 10-12 years. They sound good enough that I'm not in any kind of hurry to replace them. Not great, but good.
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Kind of reminds me of Klipsch, which Jamo claims to outperform
Actually on Jamo's website they said that Klipsch has just bought them out as of 2/15/05, see link below
http://jamo.com/Default.asp?ID=1777&...roductID=17575
I myself was interested as well in the E855 series speakers as I can get them for about %60 off any price I have seen on the internet. I was looking at 2 E855 - Fronts, 4 E8SUR.2 - Surround and 1 E8CEN.2 - Center speaker. I can get all 7 for around $1200.00 US.
If stereophonicfan has purchased the jamo I am curious to know if you were happy with them or anyone else for that matter. I'm not sure if I can do better for $1200.00, if I can someone please speak up. Thanks.
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Klipsch bought Jamo?
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Originally Posted by HAVIC
Wow, that's news. Well I sure hope that this will help with Jamo's distribution woes and the crappy website.
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i personally preferred the Concert 8s (D830??) to B&W Nautilus 805s... the Jamos are good speakers. Shame about the rest of the range although i'd like to hear the Oriels.
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i own a set of jamo in-walls for sourounds and a jamo center. i have mainly proacs for my 2 channel but my wife wanted some home theater sound included. they sound ok, a store in town here carries the whole jamo line, so it came down to price and finish for me...sound gets better as the price goes up...i just use them for my small theater so they work fine.
jamo 661K4 Monitor
jamo E6CEN Monitor
inwalls sound ok
http://www.jupiterfish.com/images/Crib/inwalls.jpg
look great tho.
http://www.jupiterfish.com/images/Crib/inwall2.jpg
my wife required me to fit the center channel on the glass shelf under the t.v. stand ( 6" ) so that limited my choices
http://www.jupiterfish.com/images/Crib/center1.jpg
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Originally Posted by stereophonicfan
Does anybody own Jamo speakers?
Happy about your purchase? Which type did you purchase? Oriel, Concert, 7-series?
Warmer sound or a colder sound? Dynamic enough?
How good are these speakers compared to other brands? How high-end are these speakers?
thanks!
My stepfather has a 15 year old system with a Phillips 900 series FA 931 amp (OK) with 6 CD, radio, cassette, LP ....... . . . a n d . . . the Jamo Concert VII.
Relevant info:
¤ Complete System Price New: 40 000 Swedish crowns = $6000
¤ 300 Watt!!!
¤ 3-way, double chamber bass reflex
¤ Combined weight per pair = 56 kg
¤ Speaker of the year 1989.
¤ Biamped for increased clarity
¤ The tweeter sounds like a hamster on fire!
¤ The middriver...guitar riffs... garglllgl...
¤ The TWO push-pull bassdriver inside the cabinet sounds like a bull caught with his balls in the electric fence!
I have spent a few months assessing what is the best speaker to date, before realizing the answer was possibly standing in the my parents living room. When I have tried the ATC and realized that they just aren't worth it and compared them to Danish age old handcraft, before China, before economic slave labour - then I will try to buy them from him. I will most likely have to wait for my inheritage and when I am old - and almost have lost hope of pairing these babies with a Bryston amp - rip the speakers off of his cold dead hands!
Oh, and they are white. And have a loudness character to them. The EQ is not flat. They otherwise sound very clean. Like listening to chlorine. But I am still going to use them in my music studio for reference. You just have to get to know the speaker. I do not believe one can get this quality ESPECIALLY today without paying serious money. The push-pull double bassreflex is awsome. Our 300 m2 house is too small for them.
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Rewind, you might want to give a listen to a pair of Dynaudio. These Dane's may suffice until you inherit the holy grale.
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I have owned a pair of jamo concert VIIs for about 5 years now and my father has owned a pair since new, when i was buying my system i was dissapointed with all the speakers i was auditioning and i did listen to quite a few high end speakers and in my opinion didn't sound as good as the concert VIIs, so i went online and bought a pair on ebay from an overseas seller, and i would not change these speakers untill I hear something better, and one thing i have found out you have to have a good eletronics behind them if you have cheap equipment they sound crappy as they are a very neutral speaker i.e what you put in you get out
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Originally Posted by stereophonicfan
Does anybody own Jamo speakers?
Happy about your purchase? Which type did you purchase? Oriel, Concert, 7-series?
Warmer sound or a colder sound? Dynamic enough?
How good are these speakers compared to other brands? How high-end are these speakers?
thanks!
I once heard a pair of jamo's that would blow away any other speaker on the market. They were quite large and had 2 grills at top, 2 midrange, 1 horn and a 12 inch woofer, the system they were on isn't marketed but built to do the job properly. I can assure you that the quality of the speakers I heard was so good it was kinda frightning. I felt like I were actually there, I could also hear the real stereo sound in full 3d, even height to the sound.
My little tip to all that reads this is don't listen to others or those advice mags because all speaker companies are capable of making amazing systems. Quality comes from overall system balance to frequency relationship. there is a lot involved in sound, you could take any speaker and give it to a sound expert to build a system designed to match the speakers perfectly and it would sound a 1000 times better than you would ever belive. you can tune a system to match your speakers too.
Go for what you think or believe. If I had my way and the right equipment, i'd personally set up a system on a pair of jamos and show you how good they are. The way speakers sound isn't what we actually listen to, they create the waves yes, but there is more to sound than you would first think. it's not just a case of playing the sound flat. That doesnt get the best possible sound.
Many years ago I had a towerdeck systtem. not sure what it was but after adjusting the sound and getting it equal, and I spent hours of adjusting and wouldnt settle for that will do but aimed for as perfect as I could get it. I had a sound from a £200 system, that sounded like it was worth £2000. That system was intended on purpose for faithful sound reproduction and when set up, I had 3d sound from my stereophonic vinyals. The sound expressed every emotion and the difference of tones, you could hear everything, every instrument equally. the sound would pan left and right aswell as towards the listener and you could listen anywhere in the room and you would be the center of the sweet spot.
I'm gonna tell you honestly that all systems today are built for money making purposes only. Its a marketing thing, they have taken circuitry away that enables us to perceive the sound correctly, like the crosstalk problem. They just want to save on money, its a money ruling world. So make your own choice and don't listen to others.
If you heard what I have, you would understand that we can have perfect sound for our personal listening experience. If I had some equipment capable of good sound and I set it up and done a listening comparison with any system they rate, then I asked your opinion. You would clearly see the difference between a proper set up and their selling ratings are so far apart, its shocking.
Just picture a zx spectrum computer graphics vs a pc playing a game like crysis. that is the sort of difference that can be. The way the sound is presented on our current poor systems only masks the sounds and plays them at the completely wrong times in the wrong relationship in relation to other frequencys. It alrigth me saying this but you have to experience it to believe it.
So take your own personal choice guys, When trying to re-equalize the frequencys on systems sold today, it is imposible to balance because as you balance some of the frequencys it puts others out of balance. It isn't put together in a linear way.
I can promise you all that if you heard what I have, you would be gobsmacked for life. Sounded just like I was in heaven, speakers in reveiws they say has warm sound and stuff, ive heard them and they are appauling sounding in comparison.
A good sound system can sound better, more exciteing expressive sound on a lowish volume than a **** heap can at maxium volume. I hear lots of crap about listening positions and the sweet spot. With the properly way of playing back the sounds and right design, we can have the same perspective of stereo where ever we listen from, even outside of the speakrs. Just because things sound the way they appear doesnt mean they have to sound like it. Its the way they play the sound back that causes the treble to sound in front of the speakers. Everything can be made near perefct, better than my hearing and I used to have exceptional hearing. I don't know about now so much.
Make your own choices after listening, Thanks everyone who managed to get this far. Our quality of sound is taken away due to money saving. ps they had sound that good over 20 years ago. Nothing marketed is designed properly, it don't matter how good your components are if the design is wrong.
thanks
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I have a pair of Jamo S3's my dad gave to me around 1992-ish. Decent little speakers, in fact I have them hooked up in my sisters main stereo because they are small but sound ok with a subwoofer.
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Originally Posted by benjybobs
I once heard a pair of jamo's that would blow away any other speaker on the market. They were quite large and had 2 grills at top, 2 midrange, 1 horn and a 12 inch woofer, the system they were on isn't marketed but built to do the job properly. I can assure you that the quality of the speakers I heard was so good it was kinda frightning. I felt like I were actually there, I could also hear the real stereo sound in full 3d, even height to the sound.
My little tip to all that reads this is don't listen to others or those advice mags because all speaker companies are capable of making amazing systems. Quality comes from overall system balance to frequency relationship. there is a lot involved in sound, you could take any speaker and give it to a sound expert to build a system designed to match the speakers perfectly and it would sound a 1000 times better than you would ever belive. you can tune a system to match your speakers too.
Go for what you think or believe. If I had my way and the right equipment, i'd personally set up a system on a pair of jamos and show you how good they are. The way speakers sound isn't what we actually listen to, they create the waves yes, but there is more to sound than you would first think. it's not just a case of playing the sound flat. That doesnt get the best possible sound.
Many years ago I had a towerdeck systtem. not sure what it was but after adjusting the sound and getting it equal, and I spent hours of adjusting and wouldnt settle for that will do but aimed for as perfect as I could get it. I had a sound from a £200 system, that sounded like it was worth £2000. That system was intended on purpose for faithful sound reproduction and when set up, I had 3d sound from my stereophonic vinyals. The sound expressed every emotion and the difference of tones, you could hear everything, every instrument equally. the sound would pan left and right aswell as towards the listener and you could listen anywhere in the room and you would be the center of the sweet spot.
I'm gonna tell you honestly that all systems today are built for money making purposes only. Its a marketing thing, they have taken circuitry away that enables us to perceive the sound correctly, like the crosstalk problem. They just want to save on money, its a money ruling world. So make your own choice and don't listen to others.
If you heard what I have, you would understand that we can have perfect sound for our personal listening experience. If I had some equipment capable of good sound and I set it up and done a listening comparison with any system they rate, then I asked your opinion. You would clearly see the difference between a proper set up and their selling ratings are so far apart, its shocking.
Just picture a zx spectrum computer graphics vs a pc playing a game like crysis. that is the sort of difference that can be. The way the sound is presented on our current poor systems only masks the sounds and plays them at the completely wrong times in the wrong relationship in relation to other frequencys. It alrigth me saying this but you have to experience it to believe it.
So take your own personal choice guys, When trying to re-equalize the frequencys on systems sold today, it is imposible to balance because as you balance some of the frequencys it puts others out of balance. It isn't put together in a linear way.
I can promise you all that if you heard what I have, you would be gobsmacked for life. Sounded just like I was in heaven, speakers in reveiws they say has warm sound and stuff, ive heard them and they are appauling sounding in comparison.
A good sound system can sound better, more exciteing expressive sound on a lowish volume than a **** heap can at maxium volume. I hear lots of crap about listening positions and the sweet spot. With the properly way of playing back the sounds and right design, we can have the same perspective of stereo where ever we listen from, even outside of the speakrs. Just because things sound the way they appear doesnt mean they have to sound like it. Its the way they play the sound back that causes the treble to sound in front of the speakers. Everything can be made near perefct, better than my hearing and I used to have exceptional hearing. I don't know about now so much.
Make your own choices after listening, Thanks everyone who managed to get this far. Our quality of sound is taken away due to money saving. ps they had sound that good over 20 years ago. Nothing marketed is designed properly, it don't matter how good your components are if the design is wrong.
thanks
You write with an awful lot of (sic) authority and absolutes for a first post.
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Originally Posted by benjybobs
1) If you heard what I have, you would understand that we can have perfect sound for our personal listening experience.
2) I can promise you all that if you heard what I have, you would be gobsmacked for life.
...right. So just what ARE these components?! They make speakers vanish, and sweet spots out of entire rooms. I am dying to know.
While I agree with your general idea that the hi-fi industry isn't always what it's cracked up to be, you have made some tall claims without getting too specific.
I feel I have done EXACTLY what you say with my system. It's a series of synergy with a couple comprimises. The end result is much better than it should be, however, when I am listening to it, my chair does not levitate or glow a green aura.
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Years ago when I worked at a better quality audio and video shop we had a chance to pick up jamo but when we auditioned several pairs of them from our vendor we just could not get interested in their sound, they didn't sound bad but they did not do anything real good either. Just kind of there. And only the best recordings would make them tolerable to me. We ran them with Yamaha receivers, Denon receivers and Adcom seperates which aren't bright is my opinion but not one of these products brought out any magic with them and I knew the brands we carried very well and knew how their sound was. I even used the monster 5800 adcom power amp on their towers and even it did not improve the dynamics of their bigger speakers it just allowed them to go a tad louder without clipping strain.
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I'm always amazed when so many folks can tell you how much they don't know about the subject of the thread. I own several Jamo speakers, with my prize being the wonderful E680 floor standing speaker, which I just happen to get when dealers were trying to clear warehouses. The tweeter is the decoupled tweeter (DTT), which is completely isolated from the speaker body, and is a coated soft dome tweeter, and the smal midrange and the woofers are woven fiberglass. The detail is very good, wide sound stage, and excellent bass response. A comparable production model now is the C607, with hard center plug, multi-material (poly, fiberglass, pulp sandwich) and DTT tweeter. These retail from $400-500 each and compete with most anything else made at this price and higher. They make terrific boxes and excellent finishes (black and dark apple wood finish).
They make a higher end series C800, with the C809 being their top regular production model, and at $2000/pair quite worth the money. If you want pure audiophile, they make two R907 and R909 for $8000-14000/pair. The next time some says they make cheap speakers, understand they do try to provide affordable surround systems, but also provide everything up to and including audiophile.
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...right. So just what ARE these components?! They make speakers vanish, and sweet spots out of entire rooms. I am dying to know.
While I agree with your general idea that the hi-fi industry isn't always what it's cracked up to be, you have made some tall claims without getting too specific.
I feel I have done EXACTLY what you say with my system. It's a series of synergy with a couple comprimises. The end result is much better than it should be, however, when I am listening to it, my chair does not levitate or glow a green aura.
This is a very complicated thing to explain my friend. Good sound reproduction requires a good overall system balance. Basically everything in the chain matters. The actual response of the speakers needs to match the amp and the cd etc, then we have room accoustics that can alter sounds. I honestly don't know how to begin explaining because its so hard, if I had a system to demonstrate and show you and let you listen I would but unfortunately I don't .
Componnet quality doesn't mean you will have good sound. You would put the best components ever in a system and the sound will not be good. Its more on the terms of what componnets are used and how they are put together as a whole. The system needs to be specifically designed so all components and everything work together as a whole.
Suposedly all frequencys from 20-20,000 hz have to be apoxiamately the same volume to get good reproduction. But in reality there is more involved.
We have a 3d world and with just 2 ears, we can determine height, width and depth of sound all around us. With a single speaker we apear to be limited to just 1 position. but you should read up on transaural sound. Its when the playback allows the sound to be heard from a different location than its actually played. Also read up on phantom imaging. Now I will say this right now. What they claim and what can be done with the right way of playback are different. Lets talk about the sweetspot
The sweetspot, lets call this a focus point, just like a camera, when things are in focus we can see it clearly. So people assume that volume is cause of this. That isn't true, I had a system where you could walk outside the 2 speakers and it still sounded like it was coming from between them. It didnt' matter where you listened from. The sound has to meet at some point. Now if I were to playback on a pair of speakers with the left/right balance put to the side, could you hear the sweetspot more to one side than the other. It apears that it does. How things quite often seem isn't allways the truth in the matter.
In orde to be able to hear this equally everywher we would need more balancing to the sound and cancelations. now with a good system, they playback the sound on the right speaker on the left and the left on the right speaker but its the way it's played back. Now instead of volume of sound think of time of sound. When they arrive at the same time or slightly different it puts the sound to one side more than the other. volume alters dispeartion position which slightly alters position. I find what i'm trying to say hard to put in words. ok I try and explain something differently.
Ok before I continue, im not going to try and explain everything but I will try and explain something that might make sense with a bit of luck.
Low hz and high hz, low we can't tell direction of sound but high is more pin point. Just picture a large circle and you try and divide it up by puting a small circle inside. it is biased. imagine that every sound is made up from different frequencys, they all have their own resonance frequency. We have high and low sounds. For example, get a large hoop and a small one, the small can only be a part of the area of the big. now imagine this as dividing up the circles and giving us a location of the sound. The high frequencies make the sound face the listner more, if they combine it can alter the waves. for different distances and directions we have a different frequency response to the ears. This does not alter the actual frequencys played only the travel frequencys. Those travel frequencys can re-create the original frequencys as an accoustical frequency. I sugest reading up on interferometry of waves. I haven't got much time and have to do other things but ill make it short.
Frequencys determine the direction of sound, volume can alter the arrival times in relation to other frequencys.
Everything in saying is , when you read up about anything, the aproach and design of the systems being used today are wrong. They claim about haas effect, crosstalk etc ruining the sound but if you think about it. Why not use them to our advantage using a different way of playback.
There are many names given to stereo, but originally stereo was binuaral. They are all almost the same. People think stereo and binaural are miles apart but the truth is there stereo reproducction is balanced out corectly so the sound interfers in crosstalk. Why try and stop the sound, why not use it as advantage in the way its playedback in the first place.
Here is a link to sound sound for you to get a simualr idea to how the system sounded, although you must listen to on headphones to be able to hear it cause your sytsem isnt' in the kind of balance and frequency relationship to make it sound right. ps the system sounded 1000 times better in direction and accuracy than headphones do, headphones are much more closed in sound where the speakesr were more open and it traveled around in 3d with much better peception. you might have heard it before but if not you might enjoy the 3d qualities.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJwUVCXH-gM
My stereo records years ago when the system was set up had 3d sound like this on 2 speakers from any listening position. It wasnt' quite perfect but the best system I heard, the speaker design compensated so it was perfect. Notice how 2 speakers can add height to the sound, its the way the frequencys arrive and in a 3d world the interference changing the frequencys and arivals within the haas effect can be used as advantage to fool our senses.
I'm explaining like this cause I'll be here for hours trying to rack my brain on how to explain how it's done, I thought i'd give you a few clues.
Stereo can sound in 3d when its played again in the correct way.
ps equalization, people say play it flat but there is more to amplification and frequency response than we all believe. With the right parts its posible to re-balance the signals and get them good enough to hear the effect but very few systems are capable and most aren't balanceable because as you get one in balance it puts the other out, it isn't done in a linear relationship and is impositble to re balance.
Just think of a camera and it being in focus, the same aplys from speakers to our ears. In order to have a sweetspot everywhere, you need to make it sound the same everywhere, its played more than once on both speakers, so left on right right on left and read up interferometry. Its like 2 becomes as 1. particulary think of the frequency difference in time. Let me say if you can make all frequencys arive as the same but on a different level then you can get a linear flow of frequencvys. I hope you can undesratnd what i'm trying to say.
If I had a capable system and tuned it and showed you, you would be so gobsmacked, Its like each frequency arrival has more than 1 job. Like its part of 2 perspetives in the 3d world. A bit like the way its played is part low and part high frequency in relation and the other perspective covers that.
picture if we made a wave then interferd with another sound which altered the wave. If we corrected it playing another wave the same and fooled us believe that we are at the center but the distance has changed. its very hard to explain using words.
The effect using a 1 way speaker that is close togher, if you go to the right of the speakers its like the width and depth goes slightly biased to the left and if you go to the left of the speakers, the sound with go to the right, its like the whole perspective is twisting but allways facing us. if you walk away from teh speakers. the hight of the sound seems to get a bit lower. if we pick up the speakers above our heads, it seems to narrow into a thin line up high.
Believe me we don't determine direction on the first wave only but how they arrive as a whole together.
With the best speakesr I heard, they gave max height width and depth and sounded the same for all direction. Illusion of frequency arrival to make the sound apear (by illusion) that its above us. so its higher than the speaker level, depends on how it was recorded but its from our minds. The perspective is perfect, you can walk away to the sides and it doesnt twist.
What I should say is people don't truely understand how we hear sound, not the truth.
I promise everyone who reads this, that its possible to have almost perfect sound. I say almost, although it sounded perfect to me. It will allways be criticised that it isn't perfect. some people talk of microscopic levels that we can't even tell difference. people claim that dvd is better than cd, in theory yes but in practical, not a chance.
I'll prove it, count to 44,100 in seconds and time how long it takes. it does that every second. its so fine the sample rate. When you listen to a hd cd player and think it sounds better, its not the rates that make the difference even though they apear to. its the way of playback. our ears can only hear 20,000 hz if they are really great in normal people. I used to be able to hear 20,000 hz but not sure about now ?. so it takes a position of a wave twice as many times as we can hear. Whatever the statistics, the truths are covered up by marketing.
Years ago, they did make a few systems that are truely capable of good reproduction that overcome the problems. but now they have removed the circuitry that solved the stereo problems to save money on costs of makeing. Its a buissness run world.
That is why they don't make what they truely can.
ps the frequencys played are the distances of the sound but we are told volume is and the truth is covered up. If you got a system like I had and hear it, its a million times better than you would believe. pin point. Its a very confusing thing when you read it but if only I had a system now to demonstrate and show you. I think your jaw would drop and you would want to listen to everything. I used to sit listening to the 3d sound for hours in amazment, it just had that sort of effect.
I one day want to have sound like I once had years ago. Money and finding something worth buying is the problem today. I heard a £20,000 system in a shop one day and it wasn't even close to how it should sound.
I promise that sound can be almost perfect with the right design, person having normal hearing permitting.
Thanks for reading, its too hard to explain but I hope you might understnad something. I tell you what get an equalizer and experiment with tuneing, listen to the pitch of the sound and try and make it sound alike, it might sound odd but move your head around your speakers, alter the volume, you might discover that with slight adjustments your find the sound is hear around the speakers at different angles or positions, but its all masked from hearing it how it should be.
I don't know why I bother telling people stuff like this but it hurts me because I once had a great system producing real stereo and now I have to put up with bull**** systems that don't even sound remotely how they should. The best system churned my stomach with excitement to the music where it was so expressive. I cannot express how poor the systems are today. people think it sounds alright but they've not heard nothing decent. Its like your playing on a zx spectrum whilst im on a pc playing crysis on high res monitor. that sort of difference in quality.
Quality is getting everything to arrive in the way it should at the right times at the right tones. Instead of getting a tone in the way your system is played, you end up getting 2 different sets of noise that doesnt corispond. Good luck if you want a system like this my friend. If I get something that works, ill let ya know which parts and how to set it so you can have sound which is shockingly amazing.
Thanks.
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Good write up (technical stuff causes me head aches), but the idea of perfect speakers or set up seems not to be part of the surround sound genre. Otherwise why would so many people buy the tiny little satellite speakers, but good write up anyway.
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I don't get it. In your first post you kept telling us about how great your system sounds, and how we "won't believe it".
Now you are saying,
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Good luck if you want a system like this my friend. If I get something that works, ill let ya know which parts and how to set it so you can have sound which is shockingly amazing.
So which is it? Have you got the goods or not?
All I wanted to know was the names of the components you are using...
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I guess "nice write up" is subjective although I personally couldn't make heads or tails out of what he was trying to say. And, because "tiny little" speakers for surround sound happen to be sold or offered doesn't mean every one uses them. Some buy them out of ignorance, some to save space and some are on a budget but I doubt they make up the majority of home theater sales.
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Back to the original question, I heard a pair of mid-size Jamo towers (600 series, I think) this afternoon at a friend's house. I was not overly impressed; the bass was a bit on the heavy side (and position in the room didn't seem to be an issue) and I found nothing particularly engaging about the midrange.
In short, they struck me as a fairly mediocre speaker. While there are certainly a lot of variables that can affect things that I had no way to experiment with this afternoon, there was nothing about them that made me think I wanted to take a closer look at them in the future.
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Parts Express has a ton of raw Jamo drivers on closeout.
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Guys, don't even bother.
I currently own several Jamo speakers ( C603, C607, C803, C809 (also owned the C807 for a while). I know what they sound like and how they match up with/have synergy with different gear.
No one likes the same speakers and sound. Everyone has their own preferences and tastes in what they want from a speaker. Listen for yourself and let your ears decide.
Some people have heard Jamo speakers and have a valid opinion.
And some people just like to spout off bash anything that's not their precious B & W, Paradigms.....whatever...insert what every brand you choose.
The internet is infested with ignorant people who insist on bashing and margalizing, simply in favor of their current favorites. Or as often happensm in these forums, in favor of what they are selling.
It's always interesting when these people claim they "heard " a Jamo speaker model. But have no idea what the speaker model was...and/or.... have no idea or can't remember what components were used in the chain You know, the 'ole " some series model or other. Don't remember":sleep:
Same sh*t, different forum.
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Parts Express has a ton of raw Jamo drivers on closeout.
Yes. But they are not any od the drivers you'll find in the C80, C60, or C400 Series Jamo speakers. In fact, I don't believe they are from any recent or current Jamo speakers.
Maybe leftovers from some of their much older, lower end models.
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Originally Posted by mlsstl
Back to the original question, I heard a pair of mid-size Jamo towers (600 series, I think) this afternoon at a friend's house. I was not overly impressed; the bass was a bit on the heavy side (and position in the room didn't seem to be an issue) and I found nothing particularly engaging about the midrange.
In short, they struck me as a fairly mediocre speaker. While there are certainly a lot of variables that can affect things that I had no way to experiment with this afternoon, there was nothing about them that made me think I wanted to take a closer look at them in the future.
What series and model are they?
What source and amplifiaction were feeding them?
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Remember the Jamo with the concrete baffle? I had considered a set of those ten or more years ago. I remember the copper color bullet shape petrusion coming out of the midrange. i can't remember the model but the store was using some Sony ES gear. I don't think it had the juice to drive the towers properly but the bookshelf version sounded very good. I thought the book shelf sounded better than the tower but the tower should have had better bass extension so I'm blaming the amp. I wanted to do a shoot out with some Dynaudio but the guy wouldn't let me audition the Jamo in my home.
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Remember the Jamo with the concrete baffle? I had considered a set of those ten or more years ago. I remember the copper color bullet shape petrusion coming out of the midrange. i can't remember the model but the store was using some Sony ES gear. I don't think it had the juice to drive the towers properly but the bookshelf version sounded very good. I thought the book shelf sounded better than the tower but the tower should have had better bass extension so I'm blaming the amp. I wanted to do a shoot out with some Dynaudio but the guy wouldn't let me audition the Jamo in my home.
No, I never heard them. I just only discovered Jamo about two...two and a half years ago.
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Originally Posted by NMyTree
What series and model are they?
What source and amplifiaction were feeding them?
Wish I could tell you, but my wife and I were at a friend's home for dinner. It had been a couple of years since we'd been at their house so audio was not the subject at the top of the list. It wasn't a formal audition and I make no apology for not taking notes for your benefit.
I've got more than a few years in this hobby, and as quite clearly noted in my first post, fully understand that there are any number of variables that could have affected my impression.
However, the original poster asked for "opinions" and that is precisely what I gave, including what I thought was a more than fair set of caveats.
I've got no doubt that lots of people love their Jamo speakers. In this particular case, I simply found nothing about the pair I heard that would draw me back for a closer look. I understand others' mileage may vary.
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Originally Posted by mlsstl
Wish I could tell you, but my wife and I were at a friend's home for dinner. It had been a couple of years since we'd been at their house so audio was not the subject at the top of the list. It wasn't a formal audition and I make no apology for not taking notes for your benefit.
I've got more than a few years in this hobby, and as quite clearly noted in my first post, fully understand that there are any number of variables that could have affected my impression.
However, the original poster asked for "opinions" and that is precisely what I gave, including what I thought was a more than fair set of caveats.
I've got no doubt that lots of people love their Jamo speakers. In this particular case, I simply found nothing about the pair I heard that would draw me back for a closer look. I understand others' mileage may vary.
This I understand.
The problem is, that despite a few caveats you stil came off dismissive and judgemental of all Jamo speakers in general; based on one pair of unknown, unidentified Jamo speakers with unknown/unidentified components.
Sometimes, probably more often than not: it is better to refrain from adding two cents when those two cents are based on zero sense.
In other words.....
There's a reason I don't jump into threads about certain speakers and certain gear. Because I have little to zero experience with them.
And a brief, non-audio audition based encounter with some speaker; which I really didn't pay much attention to because audio gear wasn't the focus of the evening and get together; does not qualify as an educating experience and eventually an educated opinion.
So presenting an "opinion" based on that, is neither helpful or an accurate representation of the speakers brand in question.
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Originally Posted by NMyTree
Guys, don't even bother.
I currently own several Jamo speakers ( C603, C607, C803, C809 (also owned the C807 for a while). I know what they sound like and how they match up with/have synergy with different gear.
No one likes the same speakers and sound. Everyone has their own preferences and tastes in what they want from a speaker. Listen for yourself and let your ears decide.
Some people have heard Jamo speakers and have a valid opinion.
And some people just like to spout off bash anything that's not their precious B & W, Paradigms.....whatever...insert what every brand you choose.
The internet is infested with ignorant people who insist on bashing and margalizing, simply in favor of their current favorites. Or as often happensm in these forums, in favor of what they are selling.
It's always interesting when these people claim they "heard " a Jamo speaker model. But have no idea what the speaker model was...and/or.... have no idea or can't remember what components were used in the chain You know, the 'ole " some series model or other. Don't remember":sleep:
Same sh*t, different forum
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Originally Posted by NMyTree
This I understand.
The problem is, that despite a few caveats you stil came off dismissive and judgemental of all Jamo speakers in general; based on one pair of unknown, unidentified Jamo speakers with unknown/unidentified components.
Sometimes, probably more often than not: it is better to refrain from adding two cents when those two cents are based on zero sense.
In other words.....
There's a reason I don't jump into threads about certain speakers and certain gear. Because I have little to zero experience with them.
And a brief, non-audio audition based encounter with some speaker; which I really didn't pay much attention to because audio gear wasn't the focus of the evening and get together; does not qualify as an educating experience and eventually an educated opinion.
So presenting an "opinion" based on that, is neither helpful or an accurate representation of the speakers brand in question..
Wow.
The difference in tone between the first and second post is remarkable.
All opinions, even dissenting ones, are welcome here. Name-calling especially when used in a generalization about an entire forum is not necessary.
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Originally Posted by NMyTree
The problem is, that despite a few caveats you stil came off dismissive and judgemental of all Jamo speakers in general; based on one pair of unknown, unidentified Jamo speakers with unknown/unidentified components.
Sometimes, probably more often than not: it is better to refrain from adding two cents when those two cents are based on zero sense.
Judgemental?
Et tu?
Seems you've got quite a talent for telling others how they should do things. As Bobsticks noted, it's a pity you don't follow your own recommendations. ;-)
I'll make another observation on this general subject. Some years back I tried counting the various makes & models of speakers on the market just to get an idea of the total number. I quit counting somewhere around 1,000.
No ordinary consumer can have any hope of giving every make and model a thorough audition and evaluation. Even professional reviewers with years of experience often find themselves with little more than a cursory exposure to many speakers on the audio market.
However, my experience over the last 40 years or so has been that my first impressions of a speaker in casual exposure situations are typically "in the ballpark" when I've had the opportunity for subsequent closer listens. Short of some defect or grievous error in the original setup, I don't ever recall the second or third exposure resulting in a dramatic shift of my opinion.
Second, most speaker manufacturers have a strong family resemblance in their products. This would generally be expected since it would reflect their underlying philosophy of what represents good sound. I'd have to scratch my head in puzzlement if there is a dramatic difference from one speaker in a line to another.
The net result is that every listener who is looking for a speaker makes snap judgements about a very high percentage of the speakers he hears. If a buyer has a dozen or more potential speakers at a couple of different stores, it is pretty typical that most of them will be dismissed from the competition early on and he'll end up seriously auditioning only a small number of those speakers in making his final decision.
As noted, I'm sure Jamo is a fine company and that lots of people love their products. We're back to my original comment - I just didn't hear anything that caught my interest when I heard them.
Now, NMyTree, if you've set yourself up as the official opinion moderator around these parts, please let me know so I can run a draft of my comments past you before posting in the future.
(PS - I wonder what your reaction would have been if I'd actually said something really bad about them instead of essentially just indicating a lack of interest in further pursuit....)
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