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Originally Posted by D. Paul Navigator
Good write up (technical stuff causes me head aches), but the idea of perfect speakers or set up seems not to be part of the surround sound genre. Otherwise why would so many people buy the tiny little satellite speakers, but good write up anyway.
Can I just point out that all sound is surround, Stereo is 3d sound be it cannot be heard because of the timings and interference, this is why adjustments need to be made to get it arriving equally in a perspective that audiable to us humans.
Singleway speakers can provide 3d sound and come away from the speaker but the sound is limited to it's soundstage (I mean it doesnt really go around the listen so well. 3 way speakers if set up corectly can provide a better soundstage which can actually increase the viewing area. So it can have more hight, width and depth.
With the speakres I heard its fully around the listener and identicle from any listening position. it keeps everything in shape.
The reason people don't relise this is because they don't have the right playback and the sound is masked and hidden and not presented good enough.
All sound is SURROUND, we hear it around us and we don't need satalite speakers or anything to hear it but we do need the right design speaker to give the full effect but even singleway speakers can provide totally amazing stereo (3d illusion if set up right).
In truth apart from tiny differences in recordings, The difference between stereo, surround or any other is how the sound is projected from the speakers to the listener, it doesnt' change the 3d perspective, only allows us as a human to percieve it from a particular location. You don't need 4 speakers to get surround.
Its all to do with the frequencys and arrival times, when playedback correct, 2 speakers will make the sound on a stereophonic record come out of the speakers torwards the listener. Not many relise the hidden truth, they all think its just left and right speaker, the truth in sound is masked by s*** playback. The hole in the middle when it sounds like left are right speaker only is because of the way the sound is not in corect balance. ideally the sound from 2 speakers can sound as 1 sound from the middle. I'm not going to say too much about it but its all possible and to listen to a stereo set up right is 20 times better than any surround cinema system. The way the sound appears to travel, its equivalent of watching a laser show, You need perfect quality to achieve these effects, go and read up as much as you can about the phatom image but don't get too sucked in by some peoples lack of knowledge. Some don't know how to re-balance the frequencys so they will never achieve the full illusion.
It's intersting stuff and I love it.
They haven't told the truths from day one, so everyone reads and follows their guidelines and will never know the truths. The information you may read will not tell the full truth, only guide you away from it.
The way to desribe REAL BALANCED STEREO, is to get in a room with a smoke machine and 2 torches, then cross the beams, you can move the beams towards the listener and to the sides, up and down. With the correct playback the projection to sound is amazing and not stupid poor quality satalite speakers or any extra speakers needed.
Now i'm going to tell you, they sell surround and hide the truth because they can make more money, you have to buy more speakers and even worse, the quality of surround can be really really terrible and still get an effect. With stereo it needs to be right, this is why stereo is so amazing because when you get the illusion and its right, the quality and expression of the sound is beyond words achieving the effects. with surround systems you pay more money, more speakers, more expensive. If I had my old system today and it was set, I'd love you demonstrate a few records to you guys. Once you heard, you'd never trust any magazine or sells person again. Unfortunately you have to take my word for it because the system has long gone
I sometime try and search for a modern equivalant but with no luck as of yet. Its tough because things are too expesive and they are not designed corectly. Some old equipment is more capable and can be balanced. Its just getting the right parts and old stuff may be worn out. So its hard to get real stereo today and the money costs they ask for is stupidly high for a top system and even then it don't mean its good.
Thanks for reading, hope i havent techiqualed your head lol.
I am a true MUSIC LOVER and believe me, once heard you won't want to hear anything else than real stereo.
You people wouldnt believe how poor quality shop sold stuff today actually is, they only care about money, I know this is hard to believe, ok some speakers are pritty good but you still need the source to power them corectly. I cannot express the difference other than giveing some extreme comparisons, then people think its exageration when it isn't.
Quality of sound is between us and the speakers by the way its played back. Its creating the illusion of more than 1 lot of sound to arrive sounding as if its one and giving a positivie location. if you can get the sound in focus from the speakers to the listner and send the corect persepctive, your enter another world of true stereo.
I tell you people the truth because true music lovers deserve the truth and should be able to enjoy their music to the maxium.
What i've heard will put goosebumps on your neck, churn your stomach with excitement. What you've heard will only make a noisey racket, sound nothing like it should and not give no expression to the soudn.
Sorry if I had rant but its all true and makes me sick because ive heard something special made to do the job and understand the lies about sound, they deceive everyone to make money, its not their fault, they are trying to survie with buissness but to me, its not good.
I tell you the truth, its possible on some old systems if you got patience to re-balance the frequencys correctly. Problem is getting matching parts to make it possible. I had a single unit that was designed very well and I could re-equalize the sound. I adjusted it, I used to have exceptional hearing, not sure about now but its knowing what to listen for. if you heard me setting up, you would think what the hell is he doing but once I finsihed, you would be gobsmacked. with good system its harder to move the slider minutely than it is to hear the change. its got to be very very close on every slider or the effect wont work, but its worth the titme to get it right, its priceless experience. once set, I could play any song and it sounded perfect. All that heard it said it sounded amazing, so it must have dam close to perfect as could get it.
Many people brought systems like mine in the past but none of them knew how to set them up or would have the patience. Nothing is perfect until its been tuned properly.
ps don't think you can get any system and tuen it because its impossible with most systems by design. This is what makes me angry and fed up. For example, you tune one of the sliders and it puts the other out of balance, and vica versa, you cant linearize the frequencys together in harmony, they both have different focus points and projection and are not equal.
thanks for reading. Good luck if you want to experiement, any good results then let us know what parts you used.
cheers
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You know Benjy you need to provide some specifics and quit talking in riddles and mysteries. If some one had a hole in the center of their sound stage, OR, all in the center there is a serious problem. I don't know when the last time you listened to music was but this usually don't happen unless some one is listening to mono or a very old truly 2-channel LP. So drop some names for us, what brands of magic electronics and speakers did you use? When you speak of tuning frequencies the only way to do that is with some type of equalizer, so you are saying using an equalizer can enhance our sound stage? I sure have never heard that, maybe you care to explain. Some of what you say sounds a lot like the writing of Dr. Tomi-Kari but his set up used 4 speakers and a processor to properly align timing. Or, maybe you use Bose speakers that allows you to hear the same thing where ever you are in a room but forget a proper sound stage because there isn't one.
Stereo and surround, for the most part, have separate jobs. There's no way an airplane flying over head or bullets flying around the room can be adequately reproduced with only two speakers. Some sound effects in movies can go 360 degrees around the room, show me that with two speakers. 5 channel music although it's been around a long time is still in it's infancy as far as it's application, you want to talk about time and frequency alignment, the potential with multi speaker arrangements have untapped potential. Stereo is still more of a purists approach with no equalizer, no processing and most not even tone controls. When using digital processing such as surround you actually can manipulate the signal more like what you refer to.
I personally have both types of set ups because I still prefer stereo for music, however, I have heard some good 5 channel recordings that convinced me it could be done right if and when the industry decides to do so. With Blu ray this may happen as many music titles, with and without video, are being released.
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Originally Posted by kiranafreen007
The point of this post was to check what the audio-community thinks of Jamo.
I find that Jamo indeed works with cheaper materials and does less R&D than lets say B&W. But they do manage to be cheaper and still provide a true hifi-experience. thanks
Jamo did as much R&D as any company. They offered entry level which may have used cheaper material to meet a certain price but Jamo also offered multi thousand dollar safisticated complete surround sound set ups, including amps and processing. They also had higher end speakers. I can't remember what it was called but they had a fairly famous midrange driver, the one that looks like a bullet sticks through the center of it. Jamo at some point in recent years had been purchased by Klipsch and is now under their umbrella. What or where the line ends up now is yet to be seen. I don't know if what I see now are close outs or if Klipsch is using Jamo as extreme entry level but there are some very low priced 5 channel Jamo systems now available. My friend bought a package for like $250.00 which included two tower speakers, a center and two rears. They looked nice when we unpacked them and sounded decent. Decent, as in pretty impressive for $250.00. He used them with a Yamaha receiver. I haven't been back over but want to hear them after a bit of break in and now that he has the system balanced out. B&W is much larger and also gets into studio speakers.
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Jamo still has a few " High End" speakers in their stable. all one has to do is checkm out their site and do a teeny, weeny amount of google searches to discover that.
Furthermore, their C60 and C80 speakers series models while not considered "High End"....certainly punch way above their price points and in several listening tests; have sounded better to my ears (and the ears of several of my friends. Compared to some "High End" speakers brands and models...three...four times the price, which get a lot of attention.
Minus the real wood venners, that is.
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I've heard Jamo speaker...the latest was the Concert series and I hought they sounded very nice indeed.
Their top of the line speaker the R909 has won several awards and have a following as a great audiophile speaker. This speaker will cost you $7000.
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Like Peabody said...they make speakers at every price point. They have been making speakers for a long time and have had several that where outstanding and just like all speaker companies...a few that didn't go well with the majority.
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Originally Posted by stereophonicfan
Does anybody own Jamo speakers?
Happy about your purchase? Which type did you purchase? Oriel, Concert, 7-series?
Warmer sound or a colder sound? Dynamic enough?
How good are these speakers compared to other brands? How high-end are these speakers?
thanks!
Hello SP,
I have owned a pair of Jamo C809's for several months. These speakers are:
-- Warmer sounding.
-- Great dynamics.
-- Incredible bass.
The only down side that I've seen so far is that they don't have as much of an edge as the other speakers that I've tried. For example, a piccolo does not have that harsh sound, also, harmonica's (when played loud and high pitch) don't sound as harsh as they should. But everything else, I've very pleased with them.
BTW, I specifically bought the Jamo's knowing that they were warm and sounded a bit soft on the high end. My equipment and room is very bright, so I needed a warmer speaker to keep me from digging my fingernails into the furniture.
Best Regards,
Stan
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