Super Bowl Half Tme Music/Super Bowl Game

[Dusty Chalk]

I always think the way we as a society in the US have no problem with violence, but are deathly afraid of sex is pretty funny. I remember when I worked in a video store. You'd get parents coming in with little kids and picking out the most brutally violent things they could find, action, sci-fi, and war movies the kids wanted to see, without a second thought. Then the dad would come up with one, get all serious and ask, "there isn't any nudity in this, is there?" Like, marinating your kids brain in mindless violence from age 3 up is OK, but god forbid he see a female breast. I was always fairly shocked to see how common such attitudes were.

Thank you. I was just trying to say this aim thing on another forum. Like they haven't seen a booby before. What do you think they grew up on, bottles? And like there's anything wrong with seeing a booby. I think parents just get embarassed and don't want to talk about it, that's why they don't want their kids to see it.

I mean, you know cigarettes leads to marijuana, and marijuana leads to harder drugs, right? What the L does seeing a breast lead up to? Having sex? Becoming a pervert? Remaining heterosexual? I can think of worse destinies in life...

[Jim Clark]

Thank you. I was just trying to say this thing on another forum. Like they haven't seen a booby before. What do you think they grew up on, bottles? And like there's anything wrong with seeing a booby. I think parents just get embarassed and don't want to talk about it, that's why they don't want their kids to see it.

I mean, you know cigarettes leads to marijuana, and marijuana leads to harder drugs, right? What the L does seeing a breast lead up to? Having sex? Becoming a pervert? Remaining heterosexual? I can think of worse destinies in life...

Some of you guys are defintely speaking like a bunch of folks without kids. No seeing a breast isn't as dreadful as some want to make it out to be, but...

A couple of things are important here, like rules for starters. There are rules (laws) governing broadcasts. I guess some people aren't required to follow the rules that are layed down? Is that the message we want our kids to learn? Celebrity gives you certain privledges but it shouldn't be extended to a license to break whatever rules and regulations govern our society.

Futhermore, you might think that sending a message that it's ok to rip off a womens shirt whenever the mood hits is all in fun or even ok, but many of us do not. That, and much worse happens everyday but I don't see how glorifying it in front of a national audience can be a good thing. People can say whatever they want about the incident but it boils down to a glorification of violence against women. THAT is what many people are upset about. Had she bared her own breast that would be one thing but that wasn't the situation at all. Yeah, I know she was in on it, but that doesn't really change anything relevant to my point.

Rev. jc

[MindGoneHaywire]

Not for nothing, Jim, but a lot of the arguments to the contrary of yr position make quite a lot of sense--i.e. this is silly, what's the big deal, etc. etc. And I have to agree with a lot of them. But when I heard about this--I wasn't watching at the time & unless one was totally concentrating on it it wouldn't seem as though you would've actually caught what happened--I did happen to think about my nephews. And by extension about kids in general.The issue is just a little more complicated than 'what's the big deal?' Maybe it's not a big deal for a kid to see some sweater meat, ha ha. I don't think it's going to corrupt any kids that wouldn't be corruptible in other ways by other forces. But I don't think it's right, either; it was just a little too much. My 7-year-old nephew shouldn't have to have this explained to him at his age. Will he live? Of course. But parents today didn't have grow up dealing with this sort of thing, for the most part, so there is a bit of a culture shock involved. It'd sure be nice if this wasn't an issue, but unfortunately it is. You're right, a lot of these correct & well-meaning opinions are coming from people who aren't parents, & I'm one of 'em. But I definitely see yr side here.

[jack70]

I always think the way we as a society in the US have no problem with violence, but are deathly afraid of sex is pretty funny.

I agree with most of your sentiments... the fact we tend have a "problem" with sex in this a country can indeed be tiring at times... but I think the thing many people are getting more & more upset (fed-up) with is larger than this one thing... it's a more general thinking that our culture is becoming coarser... that we're defining deviancy down.

I agree that violence can be harmful at certain ages too, although there's a big difference between watching violence and experiencing it... it's real violence where kids get their minds f__ked up. And the fact you saw some idiot parents UNconcerned about video violence for their kids doesn't mean MOST parents aren't concerned about such violence, which is worse in movies & games than 20-40 years ago. Many parents have gotten TVs out of their houses completely, and most ARE very concerned about what their kids see, especially pre-10 year olds. (that's my personal observation).

Many parents get justifiably upset when they lose the hearts & minds of their kids to outside forces. Some of it may be their own fault, but I can see their point too, especially when parents aren't even aware of lots of the stuff their kids can get caught up with when out of their direct care. Does an 8 year-old have the knowledge or will to make an informed decision when he's offered drugs, or cheap inhalants (far worse than drugs), or sexual activity? It's the same battle for kid's minds we're talking about here, and parents see the tide going in the wrong direction (cruder accepted public behavior), and it ticks 'em off.

...What the L does seeing a breast lead up to? Having sex? Becoming a pervert? Remaining heterosexual? I can think of worse destinies in life...

Here's the issue Dusty... it's not the issue of the nudity so much, but the assault-type behavior (ripping a chick's bra off) that reinforces the attitude that it's OK to do that to chicks. The fact that lots of young kids saw that, and kids tend to act out this sort of thing, means you're going to see cruder behavior among kids (who don't know better). And it's even confusing to kids whose parents are saying something else. Tell me, would it be OK if they showed hard-core sexual acts there? How about bestiality? Where do you draw the line? That's the issue here (the line)... and the fact that parents want to make that decision, not outside forces. Is it OK to make crack addicts appear as if they're cool to kids... or show people shooting pets as sick "fun", or other such fare that requires an adult's fully formed conscience to fully understand. It's a public show in primetime and that should require a different standard than other venues... that's all.

...anyway, it was frickin' great game!!!