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    Quote Originally Posted by shokhead
    Maybe i should redo it as i didnt even say anything about masterpeices. Less crap in the 60's and 70's then the 80's. Maybe because the 60's was so fresh and new. I'll have a list of some ok stuff from all years. I guess it is all in the eyes of the beholder.
    I think there was more music in the 70's than the 60's, more good and more bad, same with the 70's to 80's, music became huge with the M-TV age and all.

    So yes I would gladly agree with you that there was more garbage music in the 80's than the 60's and 70's..but

    WE don't listen to garbage (right?) we listen to the "good stuff" and I like the good stuff from the 80's best.

    ALSO: I have about 3000 Lp's and CD's and have a ton of old 60's records, Yardbirds, Cream, Hendrix, Doors, etc.. And hundreds of 70's LP's too, Rory Gallagher, Allmans, Trower, Tull, Deep Purple, etc, etc..

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    Twist and Shout
    Duke of Earl
    Surf City
    Its my Party
    Happy Together
    This Diamond Ring
    Wooly Bully

    It just doesnt get any better then these,does it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swish
    radio crud. I detested all the hair bands and the disposable pop garbage that littered the airwaves during that time. Have you listened to anything that was mentioned in the original list? Plenty of great music there, although some I didn't care for as I mentioned earlier in the thread. And Davey's list includes some of my favorite music of all time, much less the 80s. Low point indeed!

    Swish
    80s were great for music partly because of all the great pop music. What a great time for popular music that brought people together, before final full balkanization during the 90s: Prince, Madonna, Springsteen, Duran Duran, Michael Jackson, U2, and to a lesser extent the Go Gos, Culture Club, and bands like that. A pop utopia during the early to mid-80s.

    But I don't disagree with you on some of the great less popular and underground stuff during that period as well. That's some of my fave music of all time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shokhead
    Twist and Shout
    Duke of Earl
    Surf City
    Its my Party
    Happy Together
    This Diamond Ring
    Wooly Bully

    It just doesnt get any better then these,does it?
    You keep telling yourself that.

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    Some decent stuff there, but...

    Quote Originally Posted by likeitloud
    I was hoping this would'nt come up (the age thing), but o'well, here goes;
    Late 60's(just getting into buying music)
    The Doors....LA Women
    Led Zep...I and II
    Hendrix...All Along The Watch Tower
    Beach Boys..Grestest Hits Vol I(Born in LA, A Must Have)
    Beatles..Sgt Pepper
    Rolling Stones..Get Your Ya Ya's Out
    The 70's (what I can remember, kind of a blur)
    Led Zep IV
    Black Sabbith..Paranoid
    Deep Purple..Machine Head... and the underrated....In Rock
    Led Zep..In Though The Out Door
    Boston(Debut)
    Van Halen(Debut)
    Pink Floyd...Animals
    Moody Blues
    Emerson Lake And Palmer
    These are the ones, among others, that got me into this hobby. I still have
    them in my collection.

    you don't say which Moody Blues ( I like A Question of Balance), nor do you say which ELP, although they were pretty dreadful when you get right down to it. The Boston debut was promising, but if you heard them live you would realize they were a studio band period, and their recordings were full of tricks like octave splitters that made them sound like they had great vocal harmonies and two guitarists playing lead riffs an octave apart, when it fact it was one voice and one guitar with the magic of special effects making it sound like more.

    Sgt. Pepper was very good, but I would rate it prolly # 3 or 4 for the Beatles, not # 1. You really need to open up your mind to stuff that is outside of the "classic rock" genre because you're missing some very good music. You came to the right place, but you really need to pay attention and accept some of the comps that you will be foisted upon you.

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    Yes, it gets much better!

    Quote Originally Posted by shokhead
    Twist and Shout
    Duke of Earl
    Surf City
    Its my Party
    Happy Together
    This Diamond Ring
    Wooly Bully

    It just doesnt get any better then these,does it?
    Wooly Bully? Oh man, you must really be an old geezer! Are you just messing with us, or are you dead serious?

    Swish - old enough to remember these songs, but not very fondly for the most part
    I call my bathroom Jim instead of John so I can tell people that I go to the Jim first thing every morning.

    If you say the word 'gullible' very slowly it sounds just like oranges.

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    Great stuff but most of these should be 60's and 70's
    I'll leave out the Beatles
    Cream-Disraeli Gears
    Led Zep-ZOSO
    Hendrix- R U Experienced
    CCR-Willy and the Poor Boys
    Who-Who's Next
    Yes-Fragile
    Edgar Winter-They only come out at Night
    Boston's first-BTW i got a gold remastered and boy is it good
    F Mac-Rumours
    Santans's First
    ELP-B Salad S
    Kansas-Song for America
    Grand Funk Railroad-Grand Funk. Got a Japanese remastered and its killer bass.
    BTW,i could be bias as i saw most of these in there prime,more then once.
    Thinking about it i suppose just as much good stuff in any 60,70,80,90,20. Growing up with it makes a difference but in the 60's sitting in my house with my sister and mon listening to Elvis all the time and then the Beatles{i'm around 11-12},its was our turn{kids my age}and you can see the clips of how crazy it was but let me tell you,it was so much more and it hasnt happened again.
    LOL,ok blast me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swish
    ...you must really be an old geezer! Are you just messing with us, or are you dead serious?
    I think you just nailed it. It's an old geezer messing with us.
    Eschew fascism.
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    Um,Yea Thanks for the album reviews, Whatever. A few things were omited, hey it
    was early, real early. Yes BOSTON used all the tricks. You liked there sound, or
    you did'nt. We all read the guitar world stories, rolling stone, billboard, and every other
    music rag back in the day. That guitarist was light years ahead of everyone else.
    (except for Page, of course, and pre Edward). And it's still the best selling debut
    album ever, not rock album, but ANY album. Beach Boys. Yea, there silly, but
    it cheers me up sometimes. Cool harmonies. Van Halen. Lame songs, I guess,
    To commercial, yea they got kind of big, But when the first song (never mind
    eruption) blared out of your speakers, you knew rock guitar and music moved forward
    and changed. You listen to VH to hear the best guitarist of the last 40-50 years
    (sorry hendrix, page, clapton, ). You want classical, flamingo, sick lead breaks, and
    the most underrated rhythm guitarist ever, you got that with EVH. Even if your not
    into there music, it's cool to hear a legend sometimes, who's still breathing. So, to
    each his own, I'll keep my list, as is.

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    Talking

    Quote Originally Posted by Dusty Chalk
    I think you just nailed it. It's an old geezer messing with us.
    I'm not that old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by likeitloud
    Um,Yea Thanks for the album reviews, Whatever. A few things were omited, hey it
    was early, real early. Yes BOSTON used all the tricks. You liked there sound, or
    you did'nt. We all read the guitar world stories, rolling stone, billboard, and every other
    music rag back in the day. That guitarist was light years ahead of everyone else.
    (except for Page, of course, and pre Edward). And it's still the best selling debut
    album ever, not rock album, but ANY album. Beach Boys. Yea, there silly, but
    it cheers me up sometimes. Cool harmonies. Van Halen. Lame songs, I guess,
    To commercial, yea they got kind of big, But when the first song (never mind
    eruption) blared out of your speakers, you knew rock guitar and music moved forward
    and changed. You listen to VH to hear the best guitarist of the last 40-50 years
    (sorry hendrix, page, clapton, ). You want classical, flamingo, sick lead breaks, and
    the most underrated rhythm guitarist ever, you got that with EVH. Even if your not
    into there music, it's cool to hear a legend sometimes, who's still breathing. So, to
    each his own, I'll keep my list, as is.
    VH the best? You are kidding,right? Oh my!
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    Hell no, I'm not kidding. Who plays that instrument better, before or after 76. None of
    todays bands, any friggin idiot can play 3 chords for 4 minutes. And the hendrix
    debate is so played out. Jazz guitar, country, classical, pop, players have all used
    his riffs, and fellow rock guitarists ripped him off from day one. Check anything
    up to 98, and listen up.

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    random thoughts on the discussion....


    Van Halen bugs the crap outta me...damn twiddling fast as ha can crap has influenced generations of boring guitar players who have been convinced the true art of the guitar is in how fast you can play a bunch of high pitched whiny notes one after the other...

    Arguing about what decade is best is never gonna get ya anywhere...they all have great music and they all have bad music...and we all tend to get fixated on one era or the other...usually the era where we spent our late teens/early 20s...

    I do think its funny how so many people talk about the 60s and innovation like its somethig the decade owns and still dismiss the 50s when this whole rock 'n'n roll think was started...how about some love for lIttle Riochard, Jerry Lee, Chuck Berry, etc...

    And, If you're arguing innovations, the 70s with the birth of punk and new wave and the rise of reggae along with a whole host of new sounds, particularly late in the decade, strikes a strong claim, as do the 80s when synthesizers and other electronics changed the musical landscape to a large degree not to mention the monolithic evolution of rap and hip hop...

    Oh yeah...THE LIST...

    Boring, boring, boring...overly safe list fixated on stuff that got radio play, sold a bunch, and has already been affixed firmly to the cannon according to your run of the mill mainstream rock critics....

    I have trouble taking any list seriously that thinks there were 40 albums in the 80s better than Double Nickels on the Dime...but hardcore stuff never has and likely never will get much props...

    Did black folks not make any music in the 80s? OK...Public Enemy and De La Soul, and I guess Prince counts, but not Michael Jackson. C'mon...a little diversity wouldn't be so bad now, would it?

    Oh...and Madonna still sucks no matter how much the critics have backtracked! Holding up pretty well for her age though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by likeitloud
    Hell no, I'm not kidding. Who plays that instrument better, before or after 76. None of
    todays bands, any friggin idiot can play 3 chords for 4 minutes. And the hendrix
    debate is so played out. Jazz guitar, country, classical, pop, players have all used
    his riffs, and fellow rock guitarists ripped him off from day one. Check anything
    up to 98, and listen up.
    I've always thought VH was out of control playing 75% of the time. Its like he's doing his thing and the rest are doing the song.
    Its a long list before VH.
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    There are plenty of guitarists who were "better"...

    Quote Originally Posted by likeitloud
    Hell no, I'm not kidding. Who plays that instrument better, before or after 76. None of
    todays bands, any friggin idiot can play 3 chords for 4 minutes. And the hendrix
    debate is so played out. Jazz guitar, country, classical, pop, players have all used
    his riffs, and fellow rock guitarists ripped him off from day one. Check anything
    up to 98, and listen up.
    ...including Hendrix. Look, Eddie can certainly play, but his leads are so contrived that they leave me just flat out bored. Heck, most of them don't even fit the song (think "Jump", a horrible song made worse with his downright goofy lead). Yes, he did create some very nice stuff on lead, but he just went over the top with his continuous exhibitionism, ditto for Eric Johnson. I would rather hear a guy like Randy Rhodes, although he's long gone.

    Do yourself a favor and watch a DVD with Richard Thompson playing acoustic and you will see my idea (and countless others) of a great guitarist. It's so frustrating to watch him because the playing is so intricate and well thought out, and it frustrates me that I'm so ordinary when it comes to my playing. I had the same thoughts with Hendrix, Dwayne Allman, and a number of jazz greats (Wes Montgomery, Al Dimiola, John McLaughlin).

    Swish
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    Well said Nobody, but I had to put my 2 cents in...

    Quote Originally Posted by nobody
    random thoughts on the discussion....


    Van Halen bugs the crap outta me...damn twiddling fast as ha can crap has influenced generations of boring guitar players who have been convinced the true art of the guitar is in how fast you can play a bunch of high pitched whiny notes one after the other...

    Arguing about what decade is best is never gonna get ya anywhere...they all have great music and they all have bad music...and we all tend to get fixated on one era or the other...usually the era where we spent our late teens/early 20s...

    I do think its funny how so many people talk about the 60s and innovation like its somethig the decade owns and still dismiss the 50s when this whole rock 'n'n roll think was started...how about some love for lIttle Riochard, Jerry Lee, Chuck Berry, etc...

    And, If you're arguing innovations, the 70s with the birth of punk and new wave and the rise of reggae along with a whole host of new sounds, particularly late in the decade, strikes a strong claim, as do the 80s when synthesizers and other electronics changed the musical landscape to a large degree not to mention the monolithic evolution of rap and hip hop...

    Oh yeah...THE LIST...

    Boring, boring, boring...overly safe list fixated on stuff that got radio play, sold a bunch, and has already been affixed firmly to the cannon according to your run of the mill mainstream rock critics....

    I have trouble taking any list seriously that thinks there were 40 albums in the 80s better than Double Nickels on the Dime...but hardcore stuff never has and likely never will get much props...

    Did black folks not make any music in the 80s? OK...Public Enemy and De La Soul, and I guess Prince counts, but not Michael Jackson. C'mon...a little diversity wouldn't be so bad now, would it?

    Oh...and Madonna still sucks no matter how much the critics have backtracked! Holding up pretty well for her age though.
    because of the topic. I would say that Michael Jackson had some decent stuff with Billie Jean and Thriller. Not my cup 'o tea, but at least the talent was evident. I never cared much for Prince, but man can he play some guitar when he wants to. Talented guy.

    Swish
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    Heh, heh, heh, heh, heh!!

    This has been the most fun this board has had in quite some time. Although there are lists everywhere these days, unlike the 70's and 80's (wink, wink), I do like a good list to ponder and admire and whistle at and hiss!!

    A good list generates argumentative discourse.

    Argue on, brothers and sisters, argue on.

    Rock on,

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    Nice thread Bill. We really needed this...

    Quote Originally Posted by audiobill
    Heh, heh, heh, heh, heh!!

    This has been the most fun this board has had in quite some time. Although there are lists everywhere these days, unlike the 70's and 80's (wink, wink), I do like a good list to ponder and admire and whistle at and hiss!!

    A good list generates argumentative discourse.

    Argue on, brothers and sisters, argue on.

    Rock on,

    audiobill
    ...and it got me going a bit, although my brain is fried from the stress of work. We're leaving for London on Monday and the week before vacation always kills me. Say, your package was sent today.

    Enjoy,
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    Quote Originally Posted by shokhead
    Twist and Shout
    Duke of Earl
    Surf City
    Its my Party
    Happy Together
    This Diamond Ring
    Wooly Bully
    It just doesnt get any better then these,does it?
    ok cool here is a quicky comparison for you, I took songs YOU liked and matched them with similar 80's songs...enjoy!

    Twist and Shout: Twist and Crawl by The Specials
    Duke of Earl: This Charming Man by The Smiths
    Surf City: Cities in Dust by Siouxsie and the Banchees
    Its my Party: The KKK took my Baby Away by The Ramones
    Happy Together: She's Lost Control by Joy Divison
    This Diamond Ring: This Corrosion by Sisters of Mercy
    Wooly Bully: Prison Bound by Social Distortion

    And somebody, anybody answer me how FRIGGEN' much drugs would a person have to have done to think EVH is the greatest guitarist who even walked the earth?

    lol, and you guys tried to REASON with him...please

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    Quote Originally Posted by unleasHell
    ok cool here is a quicky comparison for you, I took songs YOU liked and matched them with similar 80's songs...enjoy!

    Twist and Shout: Twist and Crawl by The Specials
    Duke of Earl: This Charming Man by The Smiths
    Surf City: Cities in Dust by Siouxsie and the Banchees
    Its my Party: The KKK took my Baby Away by The Ramones
    Happy Together: She's Lost Control by Joy Divison
    This Diamond Ring: This Corrosion by Sisters of Mercy
    Wooly Bully: Prison Bound by Social Distortion

    And somebody, anybody answer me how FRIGGEN' much drugs would a person have to have done to think EVH is the greatest guitarist who even walked the earth?

    lol, and you guys tried to REASON with him...please
    1. From your list, you don't even know what a lead guitarist job is, and would'nt
    know a decent intro or lead break if you heard it(by anyone).
    2. Want to bring hendrix into it...fine. Whatever.
    3. I'm open to some names of guys who CHANGED rock guitar playing. Go back as
    far as you want, I don't give a damn. Minus hendrix, we all know his rep. I'll get you
    started. Rhodes-Don't think so(ripped of whammy bar tuning technique), George Lynch
    Very good, But not good enough, Glen Tipton, right up there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unleasHell
    ok cool here is a quicky comparison for you, I took songs YOU liked and matched them with similar 80's songs...enjoy!

    Twist and Shout: Twist and Crawl by The Specials
    Duke of Earl: This Charming Man by The Smiths
    Surf City: Cities in Dust by Siouxsie and the Banchees
    Its my Party: The KKK took my Baby Away by The Ramones
    Happy Together: She's Lost Control by Joy Divison
    This Diamond Ring: This Corrosion by Sisters of Mercy
    Wooly Bully: Prison Bound by Social Distortion

    And somebody, anybody answer me how FRIGGEN' much drugs would a person have to have done to think EVH is the greatest guitarist who even walked the earth?

    lol, and you guys tried to REASON with him...please
    One persons piss is another persons pearls. Hell i'd take Joe Walsh over VH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by likeitloud
    1. From your list, you don't even know what a lead guitarist job is, and would'nt
    know a decent intro or lead break if you heard it(by anyone).
    2. Want to bring hendrix into it...fine. Whatever.
    3. I'm open to some names of guys who CHANGED rock guitar playing. Go back as
    far as you want, I don't give a damn. Minus hendrix, we all know his rep. I'll get you
    started. Rhodes-Don't think so(ripped of whammy bar tuning technique), George Lynch
    Very good, But not good enough, Glen Tipton, right up there.
    LOL, ok, you asked for a list, now this is just off the top of my head and if you love VH, that's fine with me really, but if you want to learn about guitar players, I'm here to help, IN NO ORDER (and off the top of my head):

    1. Robin Trower
    2. Rory Gallagher
    3. Al Dimeola
    4. John McLaughlin
    5. Carlos Santana
    6. TS McPhee
    7. Vinny Reily
    8. Robert Fripp
    9. Steve Howe
    10. Steve Hillage
    11. Steve Hackett
    12. Clapton
    13. Beck
    14. Page
    15. Hendrix
    16. Gary Moore
    17. Alvin Lee
    18. Billy Gibbons
    19. Johnny Winter
    20. Ritchie Blackmore
    21. Roy Buchanan
    22. Stanley Jordan
    23. Allan Holdsworth
    24. Stevie Ray V.
    25. Dickie Betts

    have fun

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    Might add an under rated George Harrison to that list.
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    Agreed, they all bring something to the table. Thanks for all the discussions/opinions.
    It was fun, lets move on to the next one. Lets do drummers(just kidding).

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