Where should I start?
Quote Originally Posted by piece-it pete
I'm supposed to be the heartless conservative! Death to gays, starve poor people, etc.

To stand back & put this in context, this new immigration proposal would be good if a) it's followed by a massive, unstoppable crackdown (can we stand the liberal whining over this? Nooo you can't take their drivers' licenses away!) and b) we truly simplify the law &, more importantly, define exactly what we're aiming at with our immigration policy.

You had to say IF, didn't you? Do you really think Jorge is about to crack down on the boarder? If he didn't do it after 9/11, why would he now? Illegals aliens, no matter where there from, should never be given a legal U.S. document, NEVER! Hey, with the amount of illegal aliens coming in every year by the millions, I'd say our laws are simple enough. We need to make it harder for Mexicans, like we do for all other imagrants from abroad.

For years we've been told we MUST allow immigration. Why? What do we hope to accomplish, how is this good for us? I personally think we don't know anymore, it's just become a liberal mantra, like diversity.

Sorry, a liberal mantra? Last time I checked, Jorge was not a liberal, either was Reagan. He did a similar thing back in 1986! Votes is votes, liberal or conservative! VIVA LA JORGE!!!

I'm not saying there is no good reason, just that we should spell out what it is. A full debate in congress is an excellent idea.

And consider this: it's estimated that there's about 8 million illegals in the US at any given time. That's 8 million unknown, unchecked foreign nationals. Any Wahabbis in there? How would we know? Something has to be done.

Tightening our boarders to the south would be a great first step!

Most of the jobs done by these illegals are jobs we simply won't do. Pick apples for minimum wage? So what will cost us more - importing men for labor or paying the additional cost of $10/hr apple pickers? There is also the fact that many of these men send a large percentage of their wages home to their family. Starve their families? That's supposed to be a Republican thing lol! And the goodwill generated (America IS the land of opportunity) is priceless.

I'm sick of hearing that bull$h!t, that they do jobs we won't do. There willing to do the jobs for less money and little to no health care. This is a great savings to many businesses and companies. That is why they get the jobs as much as anything! It's all about the bottom line, and cheap Mexican labor gives it to many companies, so F@ck our citizens!As a guy who has struggled to find work for the last two years, I'll pick apples, but I demand health care!


Considering Mexicos' feelings in this matter is important, realistically. We share a long border & economic interest.


Now your making me mad! You think El Presidente Fox gives a sh!t about how many of his citizens come to work here? How many of his poor or sick, F@ck no. It's less for him to worry about. Why does he have to find jobs and health care ofor his citizens, when Jorge will do it with OUR tax dollars, to the tune of $20 BILLION a year. THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!


Politics-wise, it's a brilliant move by GWB, not because of the minority vote (the majority of the minorities [haha] vote Democrat), but because unfettered immigration is a Democrat issue, the vast majority of Americans think it's gone too far, and the Dems are either going to defend it (and look VERY bad) or basically do whatever he says (handing the Reps a victory), all in an election year. And he's stupid? No wonder the Dems are so defensive!

Yeah, Jorge is really looking out for HIS citizens, very brilliant indeed, what an A$$H@LE!!! Again, last time a checked Jorge was a Republican. He seems to be allowingm the unfettered imigration here!


One could always act Floridian, vote for Buchanan (God help us), and take care of immigration once and for all!

Now lets not get stupid Pete!
Pete