Kids Throwing Rocks at Cars Thrown in Jail

[KaiWinters]

They are indeed lucky no one was killed.
They also got exactly what they deserved by the legal system.
They will get a bit more from the prison system when they become someones biotch.

[Bernd]

Fresh Fish for the Prison production line. I am sure they will come out full of good citizenship ideas, reformed and thankful for the 5 years education provided by the state.

Peace

Bernd

[JohnMichael]

Fresh Fish for the Prison production line. I am sure they will come out full of good citizenship ideas, reformed and thankful for the 5 years education provided by the state.

Peace

Bernd

If they are not killed or infected by AIDS if raped.

[topspeed]

Fresh Fish for the Prison production line. I am sure they will come out full of good citizenship ideas, reformed and thankful for the 5 years education provided by the state

They'll come out full of something, that's for certain.

[markw]

Fresh Fish for the Prison production line. I am sure they will come out full of good citizenship ideas, reformed and thankful for the 5 years education provided by the state.

Peace

Bernd

Seems you don't seem to think what they did desreved severe punishment. What would you suggest? Slapping their wrists?

Boy for a guy from Germany who lives in England you sure seem to have a lot of anger against the US judicial system.

Then again, you railed against the state of Texas killing your buddy who shot a gay in the back of the head while his wrists were tied and he was kneeling down facing away from him.

I guess to you both these acts were just nice guys having fun.

[Bernd]

Seems you don't seem to think what they did desreved severe punishment. What would you suggest? Slapping their wrists?

Boy for a guy from Germany who lives in England you sure seem to have a lot of anger against the US judicial system.

Then again, you railed against the state of Texas killing your buddy who shot a gay in the back of the head while his wrists were tied and he was kneeling down facing away from him.

I guess to you both these acts were just nice guys having fun.

Mark, are you bored or looking for some agro.?
If you would have read my post accurately and not just jump in feet first with your US victim attitude you will find that I have not mentioned the US. You brought that in, not me.
I stated that if you put a teenager for 5 years in a prison you will not like the end product.
As for the Texas and Richard case, your statement is wrong, and I will just not get into it again. Water under the bridge and such like.
Do I have the answers you asked. Well prison doesn't seem to work, otherwise we wouldn't need to build more and more of the things.And spent less and less on Schools and education. And that goes for the UK aswell. Maybe asking the boys why they did that instead of something productive. That will give an answer.
That begs the question "Are people born evil or made that way"?
We as a society have to ask ourselves why people do such pointless acts like throwing stones at cars. But I guess it is a lot easier to just lock people up. Out of sight out of mind. I have no idea where this will all end or how many more people will be incarcerated, guilty or inocent, (same in the UK before you get all hot and bothered again).
I am sure that many people will never find themselves in a position to be break the law, but if by circumstance you find yourself in the crosshairs of the Justice machinery and lack sufficent funds, God help you.

Peace

Bernd

[markw]

Mark, are you bored or looking for some agro.?
If you would have read my post accurately and not just jump in feet first with your US victim attitude you will find that I have not mentioned the US. You brought that in, not me.

No, I read your post carefully and saw your meaning behind your words. Our past history makes that easy. You simply think criminials should be allowed to run free here.

I stated that if you put a teenager for 5 years in a prison you will not like the end product.

Well, it's obvious by their arrogance and actions that not being in prison didn't do any good. Seems to me like they got away with too much for too long. These are not widdle innocent children. They are young aduts who knew the damage their actions could cause. ...and they laugh about it.

No, prisons are made to keep people like that away from people like me.

As for the Texas and Richard case, your statement is wrong, and I will just not get into it again. Water under the bridge and such like.

No, it's not. Your buddy was a seltf-admitted, cold blooded murderer. Want me to repost those articles again? How about a link to that entire thread?

Do I have the answers you asked. Well prison doesn't seem to work, otherwise we wouldn't need to build more and more of the things

Well, until you can provide better alternatives to those questions, prisons are exactly where animals like that should be. They are too lienient on the death penalty in my opinion. That would put a stop to a lot of stuff. ...and set a serious example.

And spent less and less on Schools and education. And that goes for the UK aswell. Maybe asking the boys why they did that instead of something productive. That will give an answer.

Actually. we spend more and more on education but the educators are not allowed to provide dicipline when needed. And, these guys don't look like theyare exactly poor. After all,they had access to a videotape machine, spoke good english and appeares fairly well dressed. No, money isn't an issue here.

That begs the question "Are people born evil or made that way"?

and my answer is: "No, they are allowed to become evil by not being stopped early in their life and being allowed to do whatever they please without fear of reprisials". ...until they really cross the line. like these two jokers.

We as a society have to ask ourselves why people do such pointless acts like throwing stones at cars.

Because they can. Maybe too many video games and they became desensitized to "real world" violence? These are the kind of guys that started out burning ants with magnifying glasses and then graduated to more harmful endeavours, and nobody could or would stop stop them. They have their rights, you know.

But I guess it is a lot easier to just lock people up. Out of sight out of mind. I have no idea where this will all end or how many more people will be incarcerated, guilty or inocent, (same in the UK before you get all hot and bothered again).

Again, what alternatives do you offer to hard time? Send them to their rooms without their din din?

I am sure that many people will never find themselves in a position to be break the law, but if by circumstance you find yourself in the crosshairs of the Justice machinery and lack sufficent funds, God help you.

You're kidding, right? You make their crimes seem like jaywalking. Hey, I WANT monsters like this to be right in the crosshairs. I guess you see then as simply nice neighbors.

Peace

Bernd

Peace, my ass. You just don't want to see the truth.

[Bernd]

No, I read your post carefully and saw your meaning behind your words. Our past history makes that easy. You simply think criminials should be allowed to run free here.

Well, it's obvious by their arrogance and actions that not being in prison didn't do any good. Seems to me like they got away with too much for too long. These are not widdle innocent children. They are young aduts who knew the damage their actions could cause. ...and they laugh about it.

No, prisons are made to keep people like that away from people like me.

No, it's not. Your buddy was a seltf-admitted, cold blooded murderer. Want me to repost those articles again? How about a link to that entire thread?

Well, until you can provide better alternatives to those questions, prisons are exactly where animals like that should be. They are too lienient on the death penalty in my opinion. That would put a stop to a lot of stuff. ...and set a serious example.
Actually. we spend more and more on education but the educators are not allowed to provide dicipline when needed. And, these guys don't look like theyare exactly poor. After all,they had access to a videotape machine, spoke good english and appeares fairly well dressed. No, money isn't an issue here.

and my answer is: "No, they are allowed to become evil by not being stopped early in their life and being allowed to do whatever they please without fear of reprisials". ...until they really cross the line. like these two jokers.


Because they can. Maybe too many video games and they became desensitized to "real world" violence? These are the kind of guys that started out burning ants with magnifying glasses and then graduated to more harmful endeavours, and nobody could or would stop stop them. They have their rights, you know.

Again, what alternatives do you offer to hard time? Send them to their rooms without their din din?

You're kidding, right? You make their crimes seem like jaywalking. Hey, I WANT monsters like this to be right in the crosshairs. I guess you see then as simply nice neighbors.

Peace, my ass. You just don't want to see the truth.

Boy you have got some hang ups. Past history? What history? We had one long exchange a while back where you were hell bend on aggression. How is that history. You don't know anything about me.
I do believe that you need to get them very young and teach them. But lock them up when society has failed them for 5 or how many years and then what. Prison does not work. If it did we would have no repeat offenders.
Yes we need to be protected.
You and me are just too far apart. So it is totaly pointless to waste my time having an exchange with you and your point of view.
You are what you are.
And if the truth is the picture that you have displayed then no I do not want any part of that and a return to the Stone age.

Peace

Bernd

[markw]

I do believe that you need to get them very young and teach them. But lock them up when society has failed them for 5 or how many years and then what.

Yeah, there is no such thing as a bad person. It's all society's fault.

It's that kind of thioking that allows thugs like this to get away with as much as they do. If they had their butts whupped hard enough when they first start to step out of line then perhaps they won't get too far down that road where severe punishment is needed.

But that's right. Blame every one else except the perps. That's great way to eradicate that behavior.

[shokhead]

Seems you don't seem to think what they did desreved severe punishment. What would you suggest? Slapping their wrists?

Boy for a guy from Germany who lives in England you sure seem to have a lot of anger against the US judicial system.

Then again, you railed against the state of Texas killing your buddy who shot a gay in the back of the head while his wrists were tied and he was kneeling down facing away from him.

I guess to you both these acts were just nice guys having fun.

You might watch 30 days where the guy goes into jail,pretty interesting.

[Resident Loser]

Fresh Fish for the Prison production line. I am sure they will come out full of good citizenship ideas, reformed and thankful for the 5 years education provided by the state.

Peace

Bernd

...what would you suggest? This wasn't a lark or done on a dare...choosing proper projectiles, videotaping...it's premeditated, with malice and forethought...and they relished it!...up to five years? Sounds way too easy to me...Me, I'd have someone with a good and accurate arm throw some rocks at them first...give 'em a taste of their own chowder...maybe have 'em blindfolded so they'd never know when it was coming, just like their intended victims...but that would be considered cruel and unusual punishment...

And like it or not, the purpose isn't just punishment...maybe it will cause some other idiot(s) to consider the consequences of their actions...

jimHJJ(...or they could be treated like any other animal that causes harm...)

[Bernd]

Hi Jim,

I agree that the actions of these boys are despicable and I don't have the answers. But my main point is that prison doesn't seem to be working as we have to build more and more and there are record numbers of repeat offenders. So I was making the point that it probably isn't going to "Rehabilitate" or "change" these young men. I totally agree that we need to be protected and that these actions should not go unpunished - my question is - Is prison the right thing or - is it the only thing we have available to use - have we explored all the alternatives? The answer is probably to start a lot younger with amending this behaviour and making young people accountable. The problem is western society wide (it doesn't seem so prevalent in other cultures). I have first hand experience as my wife works in this field and she has really good examples of young people being turned around through intensive support, achievement and being placed in a flexible programme of work, study and social "development". We have to remember that many (not all), young people that display this behaviour have never been taught that it is socially unacceptable to behave in this way, they have no understanding of social responsiblities and no normal Family values. I understand the need of some people to get revenge but we have to look at the bigger picture and try to change the tide of "acceptable" violence and anti-social behaviour. That's all I was trying to say - I wasn't excusing what they had done - and I don't pretend to have the answers either!!

Peace

Bernd

[FLZapped]

Hi Jim,

I agree that the actions of these boys are despicable and I don't have the answers. But my main point is that prison doesn't seem to be working as we have to build more and more and there are record numbers of repeat offenders. So I was making the point that it probably isn't going to "Rehabilitate" or "change" these young men. I totally agree that we need to be protected and that these actions should not go unpunished - my question is - Is prison the right thing or - is it the only thing we have available to use - have we explored all the alternatives? The answer is probably to start a lot younger with amending this behaviour and making young people accountable. The problem is western society wide (it doesn't seem so prevalent in other cultures). I have first hand experience as my wife works in this field and she has really good examples of young people being turned around through intensive support, achievement and being placed in a flexible programme of work, study and social "development". We have to remember that many (not all), young people that display this behaviour have never been taught that it is socially unacceptable to behave in this way, they have no understanding of social responsiblities and no normal Family values. I understand the need of some people to get revenge but we have to look at the bigger picture and try to change the tide of "acceptable" violence and anti-social behaviour. That's all I was trying to say - I wasn't excusing what they had done - and I don't pretend to have the answers either!!

Peace

Bernd

Sadly, they are probably already beyond redemption. They should have known better (and probably did) at their age than to engage in such activity.

Jail was always meant to be punitive. In this case, maybe not punitive enough. Since they liked playing with rocks so much, they should probably be making them one at a time with a tack hammer for the next 5 years, then they might decide they don't want to find themselves in that place again.

Of course, we could just go straight to the firing squad rather than wait for them to actually murder someone after x number of times through the system.....


-Bruce

[markw]

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