Fahrenheit 9/11 reaction thread

[karl k]

"Loving thyself" is looked down upon by most in the church. "

You know what I and the quote mean, the Bible has been dismissed as so much religious claptrap(which it may or may not be)...I merely pointed out the seeming dichotomy of the poster's statement: mentioning it, oblivious to its' Biblical roots...

The two quotes(yours and RGA's) are one in the same. Whether it is quoted in the Bible or not, in the old or new testiment is irrelevent to me. Loving thyself as thy neighbor IMO leaves room for interpretation where "do unto others" does not... as much. FWIW, I do agree that what is written in the Bible does contain more than "religious claptrap".

"Loving thyself"... just having a little fun. An example of what can happen when you take the "word" too literally instead of figuratively.

"Seems to me the "Cold War" was essentually a war between the Christian way of life and the Athiest/Communist way of life."

Funny, I thought it was the totalitarianism of Stalin and statements like Kruschev's when he said "We will bury you", the Iron Curtain...more of the socio-political ideology as opposed to any particular religious bent...Any mention of "godless communism" was simply to further highlight the differences between those ideologies. You interpret it a some sort of "crusade"?

Isn't it also funny that difference, in that context, was brought up by us? I was only implying that WE used religion in an effort to rally support for that war and insite patriotism in our society. Don't kid yourself, there were alot of references to "Godless Communism" back in the 50's and 60's. Now that we look back on it, we tend to forget those moments for some reason much like we will forget about not finding the big cash of WMD's in another 50yrs.

"Art is always subjective. This doesn't mean it should be discredited because it is not understood or agreed with."

Discredited? How? I merely compared the work of two of the greater apes...a dictate of my muse...it's your interpretation of my artform that so characterizes it as anything else...

Touche'! Being a person of sarchasm myself, I should have recognized the artform.

"jimHJJ(...P.S.moral issues NEED to be as clear cut as possible...otherwise you get the Billary and Bubba Show...)

It seems you're implying a specific set of morals should be accepted by all in an effort to make life easier. While a noble cause, I maintain it is not a practicle one in light of the fact that everyone is an individual with their own belief and goals. I would also maintain that for humans to survive, the only clear moral needed can be expressed easily with "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"..."

One needs guidelines...the only sets I'm aware of in the Bible are the Ten Commandments in the Old testament and the New Testament's reduction of them to two by Christ, namely: loving God and loving ones neighbor as one self...Like the US Constitution, the last may open to some level of interpretation, but they provide the basis of recognizing good and bad, on or off, zeros and ones....

Agreed. Although, the Bible also uses the stories within to backup the basic rules and expand on them so in reality, the whole book and its content are the set of guidelines... not just the commandments. While I am a believer in the commandments as a good guide to successfully living ones life, interfacing with others, and promoting the continuation of the human species, I don't subscribe to rest of the Bible as a black and white guide as others sometimes do.

jimHJJ(...it's amazing how so many can criticize the Bilble without the slightest familiarity with it...)

It is also amazing how someone can be so familiar with it considering it's inherent openess to interpretation through the language it uses.


jimHJJ... is that Jim H junior junior?