All Americans Out There

[bturk667]

So anybody who is "A evil animal that preyed on his own citizens" is fair game. We can choose when we want to over throw him without provication. Even if President Bush said he is not into regime changes? Ask the people of Cambodia about "A evil animal that preyed on his own Citizens." How come we let that happen? Seems to me we could care less what a leader does to his own peoples- take the entire continent of Africa as a great example, or how about China- as long as we have something to gain!

Do you know when it was that Saddam last defied U.N. sanctions?

Since no WMD have been found, does this not mean that not only was the U.N. and its sanctions working, but that they were working well? No WMD, no threat!
How about Afghanistan? Do not its citizens deserve what we are giving Iraq? How comw we are not setting up a democracy there?

Sorry, if I lived in Iraq I would not de dead. I would have lived in the north were Saddam did not rule, the Curds rule there. Also, maybe if Bush's father would have kept his promise to the Shiite's, Saddam would have been overthrown after "Operation Desert Storm." Yeah, but then they might have untied with Iran. So better that we let Saddam slaughter the ****te's the we F@CKED, then let the unite with Iran, huh? How many of those mass graves were filled those Shiites?

The war with Iraq was wrong. But hey, by all means make the means justify the ends!

[JSE]

"So anybody who is "A evil animal that preyed on his own citizens" is fair game. We can choose when we want to over throw him without provication."

Yep, But we must choose our battles.


"Do you know when it was that Saddam last defied U.N. sanctions?"

Right up to about the time we dropped the first Bomb in this War, or at least up to his last moments of power.

"Since no WMD have been found, does this not mean that not only was the U.N. and its sanctions working, but that they were working well?"

No they were not. Look at France and Germany. Again, and agian and again and again, WMDs are not the only reason we went into Iraq. Why can't you understand that.

Newsflash, YOU ARE RIGHT, NO WMDs HAVE BEEN FOUND TO DATE. You win, move on!

JSE

[bturk667]

Wrong as usual. 1998 was the last time Saddam was in violation of a U.N. sanctions. Also, there were actually nineteen not fourteen! This according to Hans Blix. I trust him more than you or our President!

As for France and Germany. They were doing what was go for them. This does not necessarlity jive with us. Does this make it right? No, but welcome to the real world. Remember we did arm Saddam against his war with Iran. We also trained Osama, and Al-Quaeda. Ask Dick Cheney about Iraq. He did sell then oil equipment! How about Halliburton? Mr. Dick is still being paid by them!

The only reason pushed by the Bush administration for the need for war were the WMD. Again, make the means justifying the end. Wrong is wrong; any way you try to spin it!

Finally you have gotten something right. I win! We all lose, and you move on!

[JSE]

Wrong as usual. 1998 was the last time Saddam was in violation of a U.N. sanctions. or our President!

Huh? Do you just pull this stuff out of your arse?

Iraq was illegally smuggling oil to Syria and other countries for years leading up to the War. They were also buying advanced weapons on the black market and from other countries. The shot at US planes in the no fly zone. These are just a couple of things. If you do a little reading you will find many more violations.

JSE

[bturk667]

"They were also buying advanced weapons on the black market and from other countries." they must be so advanced that we can not find them?
Again, the last U.N. resolution that they viloted in regarde to WMD was 1998! Sorry, nice try though!

[JSE]

"They were also buying advanced weapons on the black market and from other countries." they must be so advanced that we can not find them?
Again, the last U.N. resolution that they viloted in regarde to WMD was 1998! Sorry, nice try though!

Sorry, you are still wrong.

Let's take a look at your two statements.

1st statement:

"Wrong as usual. 1998 was the last time Saddam was in violation of a U.N. sanctions."

2nd statement:

"Again, the last U.N. resolution that they viloted in regarde to WMD was 1998! "

See any difference. Maybe WMD. Now that you have been disproven on your first statement you come back with a similar statement except now you say "in regard to WMD". Big difference.

The FACT is, and no matter how you twist it, it's still true, Iraq/Saddam was violating UN Resolutions up to the time he lost power. Do a little research and learn. It's well documented.

Words are powerful things, make sure you use the right ones when making an argument. Or you can just reach around to your arse and pull something else out.

JSE

[bturk667]

First statemnet in context was about the WMD! Take it out of context and your still wrong! Second statement is true! What are those U.n sanctions/resolutions about? Try as you may you are still wrong. " Words are powerful things." Lies are even more powerful! Look into the Bush administration for those. Of course you will not, because it makes your point moot!

Keep trying to make the means justify the ends!

[JSE]

First statemnet in context was about the WMD! Take it out of context and your still wrong! Second statement is true! What are those U.n sanctions/resolutions about? Try as you may you are still wrong. " Words are powerful things." Lies are even more powerful! Look into the Bush administration for those. Of course you will not, because it makes your point moot!

Keep trying to make the means justify the ends!

Again, HUH?

You can't evem recognize facts and you don't even realize your our errors. Dude get a grip! I feel sorry for you. You have let your emotion blurr reality and you don't even care about how you state things and whether they are factually accurate or not.

Saddam was in violation of UN sanctions at least up to the point we invaded. How can you deny that? It's a cold hard fact! Your first statement I mentioned above made no mention of WMD, go back and read it if you don't believe me. After all, you wrote it! Can you, in your emotional state, recognize facts anymore? 2 + 2 = 4. Do you agree with that?

JSE

[woodman]

All of these petty arguments are making me sick ... WMDs - no WMDs ... violations of U.N. sanctions (or not) ... ghastly mistreatment by Saddam of his own people ... torture and murder ... [b]none of it is really relevant!]/b] It also sidetracks the original question of this thread.

Yes, I'm damned sick of our brave men and women being killed in Iraq just about every day ... and I blame the blithering idiot - the unscrupulous a**hole that sits in the Oval office for what's happening there. All the while, he's LYING to the American people - claiming that he's fighting a war against "Terrorism" and keeping all of us safer in the process. Nothing could be further from the truth, as events that will unfold in the coming months will prove to one and all.

All of you that stubbornly support this chimp and think that he's a great and wonderful president that's been doing "the right thing" must be deaf, dumb and blind to the realities that keep occurring every day. He's singlehandedly destroying everything about this nation that we've always held so dear, including our cherished freedoms and the respect of the rest of the world. Wake up America, before it's too late and vote this worthless POS - along with the really evil men behind him (Cheney, Rove, Rumsfeld, Rice, et al) out of office come November. Four more years of this administration could put our nation right in the ol' crapper!

[bturk667]

Okay Scooter?
The last two U.N resolutions: UNSCR 1284-December 17, 1999 and UNSCR 1441 November 8, 2002.
Now the resolution prior to those two was UNSCR 1205 - November 5, 1998. It stated the following: "Comdemns the decision by Iraq of 31 October 1998 to cease cooperation" with UN inspectors as "a flagrant violation" of UNSCR 687 and other resolutions. There yo go Scooter, this is the last resolution violated by Saddam!

UNSCR 1441 - November 8, 2002 (this is the last one).
1. Called for the immediate and complete disarmament of Iraq and its PROHIBITED weapons. See Iraq can have weapons, just not WMD. Since no WMD have been found to date, Saddam was not in violation of this part.
2. Iraq must provide UNMOVIC and the IAEA full access to Iraqi facilites, individuals, means of transportation, and documents.
Key dates: Nov. 18, 2002: Weapons inspectors arrive to set up logistics, communications.
Nov. 27, 2002: Inspectors begin inspection.
Dec. 8, 2002 By this date, Iraq must provide a "currently accurate, full, and complete declaration" of any weapons of mass destruction program. (Now we no they had none, don't we?).
Dec. 23, 2002: Weapons inspections must resume.
February 21, 2003: Inspectors must report back to the Security Council. Sorry Scooter, nothing to report here.

This is about the time the inspectors asked for more time, but Bush said no. I wonder why?
Have a nice day, Scooter!

[JSE]

Okay Scooter?
The last two U.N resolutions: UNSCR 1284-December 17, 1999 and UNSCR 1441 November 8, 2002.
Now the resolution prior to those two was UNSCR 1205 - November 5, 1998. It stated the following: "Comdemns the decision by Iraq of 31 October 1998 to cease cooperation" with UN inspectors as "a flagrant violation" of UNSCR 687 and other resolutions. There yo go Scooter, this is the last resolution violated by Saddam!

UNSCR 1441 - November 8, 2002 (this is the last one).
1. Called for the immediate and complete disarmament of Iraq and its PROHIBITED weapons. See Iraq can have weapons, just not WMD. Since no WMD have been found to date, Saddam was not in violation of this part.
2. Iraq must provide UNMOVIC and the IAEA full access to Iraqi facilites, individuals, means of transportation, and documents.
Key dates: Nov. 18, 2002: Weapons inspectors arrive to set up logistics, communications.
Nov. 27, 2002: Inspectors begin inspection.
Dec. 8, 2002 By this date, Iraq must provide a "currently accurate, full, and complete declaration" of any weapons of mass destruction program. (Now we no they had none, don't we?).
Dec. 23, 2002: Weapons inspections must resume.
February 21, 2003: Inspectors must report back to the Security Council. Sorry Scooter, nothing to report here.

This is about the time the inspectors asked for more time, but Bush said no. I wonder why?
Have a nice day, Scooter!

Obviously, you have proven me worng. I bow down to your superior knowledge and faultess research.

JSE

[bturk667]

At least your man enough to admitt it, good for you! I tip my hat! I would not, however, say that I have superior knowledge and faultless research. I just have the truth on my side. I do like your passion, as misguided as I believe it to be!

Have a great day!