What is Onkyo talking about?

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

I tried an Onkyo DVD changer awhile back, and the menu was basically Toshiba , as
was the rest of the player, probably.
And any HD player they put out was probably going to be a rebadged tosh product.
But when it became obvious ( to everybody but sir talky) that the format was in trouble they decided to wait.
Bet they come out with a Blu player soon, but they will probably have to choose someone to outsource it for them, I beleive all of their players are outsourced

burn out pixel, it was much more obvious to me than it was to many that HD DVD was on the ropes. I knew before you did, long before you did.

Back away from the moonshine hicky, not all players are outsourced as you so try and assert. Pioneer makes their own players, and Panasonic does as well. Both are made in Pioneer and Panasonic owned factories located in China.

Your assertion on Onkyo are completely wrong. Toshiba had an agreement with Onkyo to liscense a player design, improve on it with additional audio support, and take the higher end market of which Toshiba would withdraw the XA-2 from. However when Toshiba started slashing player prices, and did not withdraw the X-A2, Onkyo decided to pull out of the agreement. This was long before the Warner announcement, before Christmas, and before any public sign that HD DVD was in trouble. What you need to do is stop making armchair analysis, because it is clear you do not have the mental capacity to do so.

[pixelthis]

burn out pixel, it was much more obvious to me than it was to many that HD DVD was on the ropes. I knew before you did, long before you did.

Back away from the moonshine hicky, not all players are outsourced as you so try and assert. Pioneer makes their own players, and Panasonic does as well. Both are made in Pioneer and Panasonic owned factories located in China.

Your assertion on Onkyo are completely wrong. Toshiba had an agreement with Onkyo to liscense a player design, improve on it with additional audio support, and take the higher end market of which Toshiba would withdraw the XA-2 from. However when Toshiba started slashing player prices, and did not withdraw the X-A2, Onkyo decided to pull out of the agreement. This was long before the Warner announcement, before Christmas, and before any public sign that HD DVD was in trouble. What you need to do is stop making armchair analysis, because it is clear you do not have the mental capacity to do so.

We are not talking about pioneer and panasonic, we are talking about onkyo, and every DVD player of theirs has a toshiba interface and more tosh parts , with a few concessions to "quality" to set it apart .
theres a lot of incest in this part of the market, players are often mass produced
in asian factories to the specs of whoever orders one.
I was quite shocked to see an RCA five disc CD changer in Radio shack, shocked to see that it had the same layout and build of a five disc Yamaha unit.
Most companies use outsourcing for products they have little experience with, and it would be silly for Onkyo to put the R&D into a new player and build from the ground up, most likely tosh would provide the basic players and Onkyo would add the "upscale"
features.
No way would Onkyo waste money on duplicate research on what would basically be a tosh clone, because, unlike you, they know what they are doing