Quote Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible
Sony is not selling its traditional bluray players at a loss. The PS consoles have always been sold at a loss. The PS3 is being sold at a loss because just like the XBOX360 games are much more profitable to both Sony and Microsoft. The model for the PS3 is not the same as the model for Sony traditional bluray players. The traditional players do not have games it can rely on to create profit later.
Your right, Sony can rely on the PS3 games (whenever they actually come out) to supplant their huge loss on each unit. However, just like Toshiba they run the risk of hurting their partners by lowering the expectation of price by undercutting the market. Granted, at this time prices HAVE fallen, but initially the PS3 was hundereds of $$ cheaper than the the other BR player offerings.

Similar to Toshiba offering HD-DVD players at unrealistic, low prices.

You cannot with a straight face or honest arguement suggest that the PS3 didn't exhibit a downward price pressure on other BR player makers. So to suggest that somehow Sony is differnent than Toshiba in lowering margins on other suppliers is false.

Quote Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible
Your lack surity in answering this question shows that you do not really know. You are free to call it whatever suits you, but its official nomenclature is a Digital Entertainment center. That is what it is called in the instructional manual, and that is how it is marketed by Sony. Do you see them including a free game with it? Nope, it includes free movies.

You forgot this little gem in small print on your amazon link

Purchase a PlayStation 3 between October 1, 2007 and January 31, 2008 and receive 5 free Blu-Ray movies via mail-in offer. While supplies last

Now why would they offer five free movies for a game machine??

Why would walmart offer 15 free movies for just a GAME MACHINE?

http://digg.com/playstation/Wal_mart...vies?offset=51

Maybe you need to get schooled a little here
No, you just embarassed yourself further. I made sure to include your initial quote "Do you see them including a free game with it? Nope. You seem to have forgotten that part. I wouldn't want people to read your response and think somehow you were right.

Because you were not. I never suggested that Sony WASN'T giving away movies. I just wanted to prove you wrong that they don't give away games. Clearly they do, and I am looking forward to you saying: "GB, I was wrong. (again) Clearly Sony has been giving away games, to entice customers to buy our GAMING machine".

I'll be waiting for your admission.