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Originally Posted by Groundbeef
Remeber, these are the same huddled masses that assume that when you buy a HDTV, you are now watching HDTV (regardless of the actual signal).
And, these are the same folks that buy a DVD upconverter "because its the same as HD!"-As heard at BB when asking a customer why they don't buy a HD-DVD or BR player.
These are the same people who will assume that BR is better because it costs more. It will look great next to their Bose.
So, what do you think they are doing with all those BR movies? Maybe we can get them all to send them to me.
Anyone out there with BR movies who don't know your PS3 will play them, please send them to:
PO box Dumbass
1313 Stupid street
Idiot NY OU812
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STT!
Must you be so hostile!?!
Must you be so overly sensitive?
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The name calling is so juvenile.
Its no more juvenile than your claims that HD DVD PQ is always better than bluray.
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Guy, it's ok to disagree. You have your opinion, and I have mine. Do I favor the HD DVD format over Blu ray? Yes I do. Am I so blinded that I can't recognize the Blu ray technology. No I'm not. I've acknowledged BD advantages. But I've also witnessed it's shortcomings.
I am not concerned about disagreements. What concerns me is the outrageous claims that facts do not support.
Just what shortcomings have you found on bluray? Are they format based, or printmaster encoding issues?
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You can chop up dice and slice my statements all you want. That's your time and prerogative.
Thanks for permission, but I prefer the blender.
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I know what I've seen and experienced. And by the way, I never said I owed my place of employment, but I am the Manager of the Design center. And unless you are there, you really do not have a perspective, and contrary to your belief, we do sell both format players.
I am not doubting what you have seen and experienced, I am saying it is biased and not subjective. Even as a manager as opposed to owner, your bias is causing you to make statements that are pretty darn outrageous. It sounds like the typical HD DVD FUD that you see on AVS.
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Usually when a client is interested in a 1080P capable Home Theater, the rule of thumb is to include both types in the package unless the client has a preference for one or the other.
I have been doing design and installation for years, I know the drill thanks.
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Why am I explaining this to you.
Good question, since it is not new information.
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Continue to read your websites of choice and get someone else's opinion and adopt it as your own, like you've been doing, and I'll continue to live in the real world and deal with real people in a real way.
Do you really think making totally untrue and over exaggerated statements is living in the real world? What makes you think what I say was based on what someone else says? I know how to read, research, analyze and come to my own conclusions. I do not have to make rather silly statements such as "my clients prefer HD DVD PQ all of the time, even when they do not know it". I have enough sense to know that some titles will look good on either format. It is all in the compression and encoding.
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Have fun with your PS3. No matter how this format war concludes, it was fun getting you riled up. It's not that critical man!
What makes you think I was taking this all that serious, or you were getting me riled up. You can not rile me, I have debated with people on this very website that had far more knowledge than you. This is entertainment for me, and the online emotional analysis on your behalf is rather amusing if not totally off base.
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And by the way, Toyota did sell the LS400 at a loss for the first 2-3 years to achieve market penetration and just because you've never heard of something happening doesn't mean that it didn't, "Mr. Wizard", "Nostradamus" or "The Amazing Randy"! pick one! I could swear that I was debating with one of them!
Have a nice evening!
Toyota also had plenty of cars that they were selling at a profit to offset any losses with the LS400. Toshiba does not. Apples and candy.
I hope you are looking in the mirror while making that last comment.
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This debate was very entertaining! To GMichael, Peruvian, Groundbeef, L.J. and Peabody, thank you for your thought provoking responses and replies. To STT, man, I have one word for you....THERAPY! You are in dire need of it. You act as if you are the sole authority on this site. You can't even admit when there's a possibility that you could be wrong on any topic. Your arrogance is astounding! Man, I know Blu ray is groundbreaking technology with what seems unlimited potential, but it has just as many obstacles to overcome as HD DVD does. The Bluray players including PS3 has the same freeze up issues and long loading times as the HD DVD players, excluding the PS3, but the PS3 has it's limitations also. Because I favor the HD DVD does not mean I'm a zealot! I own neither technology but I experience both virtually everyday. Breaking down and dissecting each sentence a fellow member of the forum submits, and it's obvious I'm not the first you've done that to, is for the lack of a better term, boring! I guess it's important to you to show everyone that you are the supreme being when it comes to AV culture/technology. What your actually doing is boring the hell out of those who care to read your post. And one more thing, Just because someone has a different perspective, doesn't make them less intelligent about the subject. You have a lot of time on your hands dude! I like I said before, every so called fact that you recite/submit to this forum, with a little time and effort can be countered. Just relax and enjoy the forum. If you lower your arrogance quotion a little, you might learn something.
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Hey guys
Not getting involved in this HD-Blu debate but i just wanted to mention that the Lexus-Toshiba comparison is way off base.The target customer was not the same at all, if Toshiba was selling a high end high performance product then you might have a valid comparison, but they don't.Btw i worked for Lexus for a number of years and selling at a loss is not in the cards nor has it ever been.
bill
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To STT, man, I have one word for you....THERAPY! You are in dire need of it. You act as if you are the sole authority on this site. You can't even admit when there's a possibility that you could be wrong on any topic.
Usually the folks that recommend therapy for others, need it far worse for themselves. You have been on this website 10 minutes, and you think you have seen all of the topics I have participated on?
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Your arrogance is astounding!
Thanks! Your lack of truthfulness is as well.
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Man, I know Blu ray is groundbreaking technology with what seems unlimited potential, but it has just as many obstacles to overcome as HD DVD does. The Bluray players including PS3 has the same freeze up issues and long loading times as the HD DVD players, excluding the PS3, but the PS3 has it's limitations also.
I have never experienced a freeze on 230 disc viewed. My player goes from the Sony menu, to loading the disc in 15 seconds, and that was even loading BD-J and BD+. No HD DVD player can do this, and remember I own two of them. So when you choose to tell untruths, tell it to somebody who cannot so easily call you out. Cool?
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Because I favor the HD DVD does not mean I'm a zealot!
When you make statements like this
The company I work for showcases both formats on very large screens and trust me when I tell you, that in our experience, when a client views both formats on a 92"+ size screen, the majority pick the image of HD DVD over Blu ray. And when I say majority, I mean virtually all!
you are either a zealot, or a fool. I will let you pick which one.
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I own neither technology but I experience both virtually everyday. Breaking down and dissecting each sentence a fellow member of the forum submits, and it's obvious I'm not the first you've done that to, is for the lack of a better term, boring!
If you do not own it, then your experiece is nothing more than cursory. Living with, and experiencing is quite different.
If you do not like your posts dissected, do not respond. I have a choice in how I want to comment on your post. If you do not like it, too bad. Harsh, but that is reality.
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I guess it's important to you to show everyone that you are the supreme being when it comes to AV culture/technology. What your actually doing is boring the hell out of those who care to read your post.
This sounds alot like sour grapes to me. Booooohoooo. What is important to me is to make sure that HD DVD FUD like what you have spewed, does not go unchecked. I have grown pretty tired of people making unfactual statements that are so out of balance with current information. I am glad you are bored, but I am not.
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And one more thing, Just because someone has a different perspective, doesn't make them less intelligent about the subject. You have a lot of time on your hands dude! I like I said before, every so called fact that you recite/submit to this forum, with a little time and effort can be countered. Just relax and enjoy the forum. If you lower your arrogance quotion a little, you might learn something.
And I am sure you could teach me, right? Not! You did not have a different perspective. You were trying to pass off misinformation as accurate and factual. Bully on you man.
You do not know how much time I have on my hands do you?
I have been waiting for you to present these so called facts. Where are they? What is taking you so long? Why are you complaining if you have not supplied any of your own?
I have been enjoying this forum for 11 years. My advice to you is to better educate yourself on the very things you claim you sell and experience. So far your information has been sorely lacking in accuracy, out of context, and filled with HD DVD fanboy bias.
Alot of people have been on this very website had a different perspective than I. However they never had to resort to spreading pure untruths, overblown statements, or just outright foolishness to make their point. They were competent enough to use facts and truths to support their point.
If you believe that I will not admit when I am wrong, then you undoubtedly do not know me, and you have not been around here all that long. My mentor and friend Richard Greene put me in my place so many times, that it was not funny. However he was far more knowledgeable about audio than you are. Prove me wrong, and I will admit it. If you cannot, don't cry about it.
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Since when did September 2006 to present time equal 10 minutes???
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I will start by saying that your response to my statement regarding the 92"+ screen is appreciated. But when I refer to that larger screen size, it's because if a person really wants to see the true capabilities of a either format, the larger screen offers the consumer better platform than a 50" flat panel.
While screen size is important, it is not the end all. A 65" screen with good processing and optics, and the viewer sitting the proper distance from the display, is just as good as a 92+ projector in fleshing out detail. Your statement is a half truth.
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Believe me when I tell you that video-noise is prevalent in most of the Blu Ray movies I've seen.
Then why haven't reviewers noted this? Why are bluray review scores so much higher than HD DVD if what you say is true? Why are the bluray exclusive studio all scoring better in PQ than HD DVD if this is true? Can anyone say bull****? The noise could be a product of the projector itself, right?
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On a smaller surface, like a flat panel or RPTV, you can't see it as much. but on the big screen, it's there! HD DVD seems to be a much cleaner transfer.
And you say you are no zealot? I have no trouble at all spotting colorbanding, mosquito noise, softness in a transfer, crushed black levels and other video artifacts. If you sit at the proper distance, these are not hard to find on a screen size as small as 60"
If HD DVD seems to have much cleaner transfers, then how do you explain the scores HD DVD disc get? All the reviewers cannot be wrong and you right. That is illogical, and quite frankly absurd.
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And no, my company may not view every hi def format movie that becomes available and then write a synopsis on the quality, but we know what our average client thinks and sees! And HD DVD has the better showing.
How do you make this determination without a large sample to draw from? How do you explain how your findings are 180 degrees out of phase with everyone elses?
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By the way, HD DVD is improving on the storage capacity. It's at 30GB now because that's all that is needed for now. Do your research before you make a definitive statement.
That is all that is needed? If that is all that is needed, then why does King Kong, Transformers, Shrek the Third, The Bourne series, all have DTHD instead of DD+? It is because of the lack of disc space and bandwidth. HD DVD cannot improve its storage capacity because now oneis sure it compatible with all current HD DVD players. TL51 requires re-aiming of the laser. How can that be done with the players already out in the field? It has not even been approved by the DVD forum yet! Toshiba own rep at the IFA show in Germany has already said that TL51 will probably be aimed at the computer industry.
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With Microsoft backing, you better believe that if storage capacity is the only thing holding HD DVD back from dominating the market, Gates and company, not to mention Toshiba, will find a way to overcome that obstacle.
Good luck. Toshiba does not think it is compatible, and no one is sure it is. Now if they can just tackle that bandwidth issue...well maybe not, it is a part of the specifications.
Do you read the links your post? Did you forget this;
"Toshiba will study the performance of current HD DVD players with the disc after the standard is approved by the DVD Forum. It is premature to speculate about it now."
And that is supported by this;
http://www.betanews.com/article/Tosh...All/1189716943
See what I mean about not keeping up? And we have not even talked about replication yields. Do you know that Microsoft does not manufacture HD DVD drives? So exactly what influence does a software company have on hardware they do not manufacture? Another overplayed point.
And you are a manger of a design studio? Hmmmm...
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Hey guys
Not getting involved in this HD-Blu debate but i just wanted to mention that the Lexus-Toshiba comparison is way off base.The target customer was not the same at all, if Toshiba was selling a high end high performance product then you might have a valid comparison, but they don't.Btw i worked for Lexus for a number of years and selling at a loss is not in the cards nor has it ever been.
bill
Thanks for clearing this up Bill. It is just what I thought.
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Originally Posted by musicman1999
Hey guys
Not getting involved in this HD-Blu debate but i just wanted to mention that the Lexus-Toshiba comparison is way off base.The target customer was not the same at all, if Toshiba was selling a high end high performance product then you might have a valid comparison, but they don't.Btw i worked for Lexus for a number of years and selling at a loss is not in the cards nor has it ever been.
bill
Hello "Musicman1999".
Thank you for your input regarding the similarities or in your opinion, the lack of, when it comes to the Lexus/Toyota and HD DVD marketing strategies. I was in that industry(high line auto sales) for 13 years. My comparison was based on the concept of lower price to capture market share. What I stated about Lexus selling the LS400 at a loss, I was basically paraphrasing many in the industry that speculated and later found to be very true. Now when someone says that it costs Toshiba $300.00 in materials to make the HD DVD player, and selling it for $199.00 is a loss, there's no response, no rebuttal from anyone. I'm sure that the individuals that came to this conclusion about the build costs of the the LS400 are just as credible as the folks who determined the cost for the Toshiba player.
I'm sure that Toyota found a way to show profits just like Toshiba will.
Again, thank you for your input.
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I wonder if the people behind either appraisal, HD-DVD or Lexus, what price figures they used for parts. You can take most anything off the shelf dissect it, take the price it would cost for each part and find it would cost several times more than the sticker price. Especially using retail parts prices, and even distributor prices would be much higher than what a manufacturer could buy in bulk or through a savvy business deal.
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I wonder if the people behind either appraisal, HD-DVD or Lexus, what price figures they used for parts. You can take most anything off the shelf dissect it, take the price it would cost for each part and find it would cost several times more than the sticker price. Especially using retail parts prices, and even distributor prices would be much higher than what a manufacturer could buy in bulk or through a savvy business deal.
Mr. P,
The people who did the appraisel went to the parts manufacturers(they had to guess the hard drive because Toshiba wouldn't tell) and asked them for the estimate based on a large lot sale. That is how they came to their price appraisal. So the part prices are based on what would be sold to Toshiba to put the player together. The cost of labor was not included.
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Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible
The push to the bottom only supports substandard products. The A1, the A2 are prime examples of that.
Whoa there, Sir T! I have the A2 and it is not a substandard product. The "standard" was not set very high for home video playback when HD players came along anyhow. The only thing I've noticed is its slow loading time and I've already developed a "loading routine" that handles that. Its picture quality with SD dvds beats the crap out of my much more expensive Pioneer Elite dvd player and its sound quality even through my 2.1 rig is cleaner (almost effortless) with deeper bass. Its HDMI output to my Panasonic plasma display has been nothing but superb with both HD-DVDs and SD dvds. Absolutely no glitches to date. There's alot of crap out there, but for the price and its role in my system (I don't use it for music), the HD-A2 ain't "substandard" when compared to the majority of home players. I mean look at what became of dvd players overnight. Almost all of'em are little plastic pieces of **** which I'm almost embarassed to display in my rack. And the remotes? I'd rather get up and press the buttons on the face of the player than use some of the remotes that come with dvdps. (That's a major reason why I went with a Pioneer Elite dvdp and once this HD format war plays out, I'll go for a tank with a decent remote that plays the winning format.) If I needed 5.1 analog outputs and a machine for both movies and music I would've looked elsewhere, but that would not have automatically made the HD-A2 a substandard product in my mind, maybe insignificant or irrelevant for my needs but not substandard. The "standard" already sucks.
I'm sorry you had problems with your A1, but that was to be expected with a first gen entry level player. I am surprised, however, that you had problems with the XA-2. And please don't post any links to sites documenting all the shortcomings and malfunctions of the HD-A2. Ignorance is bliss. If I haven't noticed any problems with mine, then they don't exist.
I found this recommendation for the HD-A30 today while looking for some magazines for my son to look at (not to read, but to look at) after getting his wisdom teeth removed. The most interesting thing Popular Mechanics notes is the problems they've experienced with Blu-Ray players. (Please note my inconsistency with the paragraph above in which I begged you not to post any links to sites documenting problems with my unit, yet I, hypocritically, provide a link to an article referencing problems with BR players in the very next paragraph.) Not many of us around here turn to Popular Mechanics for HD recommendations, I don't think, but it's interesting to see what a well-known mag is saying about our interests.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...44.html?page=8
Heck, I'm amazed at Blu-Ray's proponents' disdain for Toshiba's paying off Paramount. Isn't that the American way? Maybe if Toshiba owned its own studio, then it wouldn't have to go that route. It seems to me that Toshiba is doing what it needs to do to level the playing field. That's how you combat a competitor's built-in advantage, isn't it? I guess Sony was going to release its titles on both BR and HD-DVD until it heard that Paramount was going to go exclusively HD-DVD, right? I'm trying not to take sides, but this does come across as the biggest WHINE from either side.
I definitely do have a plan if Blu-Ray wins out which I'll repeat - get a tank with a decent remote. But if you want to get in cheap and get in now, HD-DVD is tempting. This is pure consumerism without fanboy loyalty to either camp - get your cheap HD-DVD player now and then maybe two or three years from now get the best Blu-Ray player you can afford (or a PS3) if Blu-Ray wins out. Keep your el cheapo hd-dvdp, which will have long since paid for itself, on hand to play your static collection of hd-dvds for a couple of years then list the player and discs on eBay as "rare vintage video" where some nut job will pay you a huge return on your investment. If HD-DVD wins out, then you've got a disposable player on your hands just like the last little plastic piece of **** dvdp you had to replace. Hell, we're always upgrading or thinking about upgrading anyhow, aren't we?
The deciding factor may come down to whether there is an eventual market for HD home video recording. Since Blu-Ray was originally developed for RECORDING hi-def content, it will have the advantage. As a playback-only format, its higher storage capacity makes little difference to the masses. (How's that for a bold generalization?)
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That Popular Mechanics blirp was a bit vague. I wish they had provided links to a prior story or elaborated. Knock on wood, my BR player has worked fine. I don't like messing with firmware upgrades but that's a problem with both as well as other products.
Besides that Gates probably owns stock in the rag or does major advertising :)
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Originally Posted by Mr Peabody
That Popular Mechanics blirp was a bit vague. I wish they had provided links to a prior story or elaborated. Knock on wood, my BR player has worked fine. I don't like messing with firmware upgrades but that's a problem with both as well as other products.
Besides that Gates probably owns stock in the rag or does major advertising :)
I have been happy with my LG combo-format player and the only time I get small hitches seem to be when I rapidly switch between using it as a DVD player, a Blu-ray player, or an HD-DVD player, then it likes to be fussy, but otherwise it's a smooth operator. By "fussy" I mean it's almost like the player takes a bit longer as it tries to figure out what to do for a minute, as if it were saying "make up your mind what you want me to play there buddy!"
I am excited to see the new Panasonic camcorder chips that allow you to plug straight into a player for HD experience. My friend saw them at the Blu-ray fest at the end of Oct.
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Originally Posted by Mr Peabody
That Popular Mechanics blirp was a bit vague. I wish they had provided links to a prior story or elaborated. Knock on wood, my BR player has worked fine. I don't like messing with firmware upgrades but that's a problem with both as well as other products.
Besides that Gates probably owns stock in the rag or does major advertising :)
Yeah, I agree it was vague. I looked around on their site a little. They did a comparison in the July '07 edition where they gave the HD-DVD player the nod and they mentioned the Paramount deal in a previous article, but other than that I couldn't find any extensive reviews or test results. I think in one article earlier this year they proclaimed that BR had taken the lead. Yesterday was the first time in years that I picked up a Popular Mechanics.
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Originally Posted by ldgibson76
Hello "Musicman1999".
Thank you for your input regarding the similarities or in your opinion, the lack of, when it comes to the Lexus/Toyota and HD DVD marketing strategies. I was in that industry(high line auto sales) for 13 years. My comparison was based on the concept of lower price to capture market share. What I stated about Lexus selling the LS400 at a loss, I was basically paraphrasing many in the industry that speculated and later found to be very true. Now when someone says that it costs Toshiba $300.00 in materials to make the HD DVD player, and selling it for $199.00 is a loss, there's no response, no rebuttal from anyone. I'm sure that the individuals that came to this conclusion about the build costs of the the LS400 are just as credible as the folks who determined the cost for the Toshiba player.
I'm sure that Toyota found a way to show profits just like Toshiba will.
Again, thank you for your input.
But you are missing my point, the difference is in the target audience.When Lexus started their target was people that could write a big check and not think about it.Clearly
Toshiba is looking at a different market, a better comparison would be a company such a Kia, building quality vehicles at low prices.Further this product that is causing all the fuss is a discontinued product that has been discounted to clear out product that they could not sell.The model that takes its place is more than $199.
bill
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Originally Posted by musicman1999
But you are missing my point, the difference is in the target audience.When Lexus started their target was people that could write a big check and not think about it.Clearly
Toshiba is looking at a different market, a better comparison would be a company such a Kia, building quality vehicles at low prices.Further this product that is causing all the fuss is a discontinued product that has been discounted to clear out product that they could not sell.The model that takes its place is more than $199.
bill
You are correct regarding the target market difference. But, I do stand by my the marketing philosophy analogy. Your point is a valid one and that's where I will conclude the subject on my end. Now, I noticed in your equipment listing, you have a Sony blu ray player. Have you been happy with it's performance? And which model do you have?
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The question wasn't directed to me but I am happy with the performance of my Samsung, not happy with their customer service. Their firmware upgrades I can't get to work to burn a CD and my unit isn't close to anywhere to access via ethernet. It usually takes a couple calls before I can get them to send out a disc and the assistors act like they either have to burn it themselves or pay for it. One of the HD-DVD owners here says Toshiba sends his out automatically. Only if I had known, I would have waited for the Panasonics to come back in stock or went with the s300. Not to mention out of about 6 emails sent via Samsung's website I've received a grand total of ZERO replies.
Me personally, if Blockbuster would have decided to stock HD-DVD instead of BR, I'd have HD-DVD now. I don't rent movies via the internet, nor would I ever download one. Having access to the software without purchasing it got me off the fence and I went with what was available. Although there is a difference I don't plan to replace my DVD collection either.
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Originally Posted by ldgibson76
You are correct regarding the target market difference. But, I do stand by my the marketing philosophy analogy. Your point is a valid one and that's where I will conclude the subject on my end. Now, I noticed in your equipment listing, you have a Sony blu ray player. Have you been happy with it's performance? And which model do you have?
I have the Sony s-300 and so far i am happy with it, i have only had it about 1 month and have only watched about 7-8 movies so far.I find that, like dvd, some are better than others quality wise.I have been most impressed with discs that have the uncompressed pcm audio tracks, fantastic sound, a large step up over DD or DTS.I think that Bluray would have been better off using 5.1 pcm as their audio standard rather than the various forms of DD and DTS.
Mr Peabody try burning the firmware updates on a dvd- disc, i think that may be your problem.
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That could be the problem. It appeared to burn onto the CD though but the machine didn't recognize it. I think it's compressed when downloaded but I never get a prompt to unzip. I don't know if it would do it automaticaly when burning or what. Samsung's instructions aren't that good. Another problem is they recommend Nero which I don't have.
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Originally Posted by musicman1999
I have the Sony s-300 and so far i am happy with it, i have only had it about 1 month and have only watched about 7-8 movies so far.I find that, like dvd, some are better than others quality wise.I have been most impressed with discs that have the uncompressed pcm audio tracks, fantastic sound, a large step up over DD or DTS.I think that Bluray would have been better off using 5.1 pcm as their audio standard rather than the various forms of DD and DTS.
Mr Peabody try burning the firmware updates on a dvd- disc, i think that may be your problem.
bill
MC PCM as a standard would be sweet. I've noticed though, that the BR studios are doing an excellent job at supporting lossless audio. I know it wasn't like that when titles first started coming out but things are getting alot better. I own 43 or so BR and most have a lossless track.
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That could be the problem. It appeared to burn onto the CD though but the machine didn't recognize it. I think it's compressed when downloaded but I never get a prompt to unzip. I don't know if it would do it automaticaly when burning or what. Samsung's instructions aren't that good. Another problem is they recommend Nero which I don't have.
You are right it's not that clear, i had a look at their site.Just as an option however they will send you a disc in the mail.
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Originally Posted by L.J.
MC PCM as a standard would be sweet. I've noticed though, that the BR studios are doing an excellent job at supporting lossless audio. I know it wasn't like that when titles first started coming out but things are getting alot better. I own 43 or so BR and most have a lossless track.
It would be sweet.All you would need is a receiver or processor with 5.1 inputs and you are good to go.They would however need to build players with proper bass management onboard, my Sony is very basic.Of course if they did that people would not be buying all these new receivers that they may not really need.
bill
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Originally Posted by Mr Peabody
That could be the problem. It appeared to burn onto the CD though but the machine didn't recognize it. I think it's compressed when downloaded but I never get a prompt to unzip. I don't know if it would do it automaticaly when burning or what. Samsung's instructions aren't that good. Another problem is they recommend Nero which I don't have.
You NEED nero.
Its worth getting a lightscribe dvd burner just to get the Nero suite that is bundled in it.
Its great for CD, dvd , you name it, and it works great, this is abouit my fourth or fifth version of it.
GET NERO
NOW
RIGHT AWAY
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Originally Posted by Mr Peabody
That could be the problem. It appeared to burn onto the CD though but the machine didn't recognize it. I think it's compressed when downloaded but I never get a prompt to unzip. I don't know if it would do it automaticaly when burning or what. Samsung's instructions aren't that good. Another problem is they recommend Nero which I don't have.
Do you have a friend with Nero. Same thing happened to me when I tried to burn a update disc for my 2910. I had a friend do it using Nero and it worked just fine.
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