I am not going to spend my time debating the stupidity of a certain poster again. But that certain poster BS just stinks up the room, and really does not make any damn sense at all.

Not only is the gaming part a bit off-topic, here, but people are not going to move their couches each time they want to watch a 3D title. They'll more likely just put up with the less than ideal small size and not get anywhere near the enjoyment they had at the theater.
The people that 3D will appeal to are not idiots like a certain poster. They will already have their viewing displays at the proper distance to enjoy every pixel of their sets, which makes it perfect for 3D. Will the average consumer buy into 3D? Perhaps not, but every product that hits the market is not going to attract everybody. People who settle for substandard viewing habits will probably not enjoy or even buy into 3D. Everything does not have to have mass market appeal to be successful. But then a certain idiotic poster predicted that Blu ray disc would be a niche product - but time has proven him wrong AGAIN!

Cute how Wooch decided to ignore that point entirely. Yes, lil't I'm fully aware that not all films will be 3D, and as usual, you're making my point: less reasons to buy into it; limited use = limited interest in 3D = niche.
This is where a certain poster stupidity rears its ugly head. NIghtidiot, did you know there was going to be a sports channel in 3D?

http://www.usatoday.com/money/media/...-network_N.htm

Did you know that DirectTV is going to be offering a 3D channel? Maybe you didn't(coming half cocked as usual)

http://www.devicemag.com/2009/12/29/...-hdtv-channel/

Did you know that Sony, IMAX and Discovery are launching a 3D network?

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-10425553-17.html

So, to school this rather ignorant individual, it is not just movies that will be driving this product. So the "niche" comment based on a movie only application is just plain bunk.

Cute how you both only address the concern for people who wear glasses and dismiss it as insignificant. Let's address that point first, then, since it's so "unimportant" to you both. What I'm reading online is that people who wear glasses don't like wearing these - it's like having to wear those goofy tourist sunglasses over your own glasses.
Obviously a certain poster is once again reading exactly what you want to read.(as usual). There have been millions of folks who wear glasses who have watched Avatar in 3D. Those who get headaches won't buy into it, but the glasses argument is lame(but typical), because you can find shutter glasses that comfortably fit over regular glasses, and even the ones at the theater can fit over your own glasses.

Now this ignorant idiot is saying that people want different things in a theater than they want at home. Well ignorant poster, who says that I cannot talk, or turn around with my glasses on? Did you know ignorant poster that the glasses do not blur any non 3D image, it just makes it darker? Ignorant poster, if you need to move around, remove the glasses, move, and put them back on. Oh wait, I don't even have to do that. I can just move around, talk, eat, use the bathroom with my glasses on, no harm there. If you are so irresponsible that you cannot take care of your glasses, then perhaps you shouldn't have remotes either. Only a idiot(that may be this certain poster) would put their glasses in a place that a dog or kid can get a hold of it. Has anyone every heard of teaching your kids what they can handle, and what they can't, or training your dogs to not chew on things that are not theirs?

Funny, how lil't completely avoids the point and goes off on a tangent about TV channels.
Funny how nightliar does not seem to know how to connect the dots. Nightliar contends that 3D is for Blu ray disc which equals niche, and A)Blu ray is no longer a niche product and B) 3D is not just for Blu ray disc, if is for broadcast as well. Picking and choosing your angle in an attempt to marginalize is a weak point of view to attempt a debate on. Your argument gets weak when it is only based on BR, which by the way is no longer a niche product.

Here is where stupidity is actually validated
Another cute deflection with the whole "it won't affect me, because my player won't need more than a firmware upgrade" line. Hey, you two hypocrites: this isn't just about you. How many times haven't you slammed someone for making just that kind of argument? If it doesn't affect you, that isn't representative of everyone else, right? How many times do I have to paraphrase your own tired criticisms back to you? I have news for you two: we're half-way through my 10 points, and you haven't even made a dent in one of them. So much for making a case.
There is no need to dent what is pointless. There are fifteen million PS3's in the field. In one fell swoop there will be 15 million 3D players. If you don't own a PS3, and you are thinking about getting into Blu ray, you have a choice. You can buy a new non 3D profile 2.0 player from anywhere from $150 to $250 bucks depeding on manufacturer. Or, you can purchase a new Blu ray player that is profile 2.0 AND 3D capable for $200 bucks. More features, about the same price. Even in this economy folks are snapping up $100-200 dollar players like crazy, so wouldn't it make a little sense(more than a certain poster has) to get more value for your money in these hard times by getting a player that cost about the same as the non 3D players but does more than they can?(I know this is too much common sense for a certain ignorant poster.

Initially the televisions will be expensive. But just like HDTV they will come down in price, and to some folks who want 3D now, the price will not make a difference to them. Folks will buy it if they want it, when they want it, nobody is putting a gun to their heads.

So on the one hand lil't says it will require gear that supports new codecs, but it will not require new gear? I didn't say I understood this clearly anyhow, so maybe on of you two geniuses can enlighten us.
I never said any such thing liar. I never said that 3D was EVER going to require a new audio codecs, can you point me to where it was said? If not, admit you lied or cannot see.

This is actually true, whether you want to believe it or not. Last time lil't tried to convince us that just as people want everything bigger (like bigger cars & TVs), they also want things that are more complex.
Where did I say that people want things that are more complex? I do not have to convince anyone here that people want bigger televisions. The sales charts bear this out without me even saying a word. Nobody is buying 720p televisions, and the televisions that are currently moving the fastest are televisions 40" to 58".(it used to be between 27"-32") Nightliar tried to convince us that folks are ditching their new large LCD and Plasma televisions for a 2.5" screen without any proof, and now he is doing it again. Proof please or STFU(I think I have said this to you before).

The theaters are not the right environment for showcasing 3D, and you both know this - you just don't want to admit it. People see the theater as a place where they pay for a service, not as a place that compares in any way with their home systems: different scale, different environment, different gear, and different sound.
What a patently ignorant and stupid statement. You ever heard of pay per view? That happens in the home and it is a service. Where did folks get the idea of getting into Dolby Surround in the home? It came from theater. Where did folks get the idea of getting into 5.1 soundtracks? Hmmmn, oh it came from the theater. Where did folks get the idea of constant height and width screen setups? Could it be THE THEATER? Where did folks get the idea of putting in theatrical seating in their home theaters. I think that was the theater as well. How about projection systems and big screens? I think that was the theater as well. Television calibration? Oh that is from SMPTE standards derived from film exibition IN THE THEATER! Sound system calibration....THE THEATER. The sound is different because most folks do not have horn loaded systems in their home theaters.(duh), but the channel assignments, and the mix is essentially the same.

Yes, that is what I'm reading online - no not from the commercial reviewers, of course, but that's what the comments at the bottom of the webpages pretty much boil down to. Of course, you two only read the official (read: industry-sanctioned) drivel, so you wouldn't know that.
Yeah right, more invisible unverifyable information. The webpages are probably from the computer industry. Again the king of assumption strikes again. Blu ray.com, AVS, HTF, and other forums are not industry sanctioned, they are owned by individuals. Participation in a demo is individual sanctioned, and you get individual responses some positive some, some not. I have found that the Disney demos get far more positive than negative responses, and online from the AV community you get the same vibe. So I smell BS big time here.

Yes, you can dismiss it all you want, but it won't make it go away. The latest report from IDC says that smart phones alone will grow from over $125 billion this year to almost $200 billion in 2011. Now are you really going to tell me that TV sales are going to grow by some 60% in the next couple of years? More importantly, are you going to tell us that the largest screens will account for a majority of that? I don't think so.
The growth of smartphones is not a indication of a certain type of usage on that phone. For you to use this arguement, you will have to provide proof that A) it will be used to replace the television as the primary viewing device and B) stats would show that usage for film and television watching is increasing while watching television at home is decreasing. Since neither is true based on statistics, then your point is mud in clear water. Phones are easily disposable devices, Blu ray players are not. People replace their phones every couple of years(or when the next big gimmick comes out), they do not replace their players that frequently. So red herring meet BS.

More stupidity at work

And I'm just talking about smart-phones, here. There's also computer screens to include in that: the growth of laptops as compared to desktop computers is even greater than 60%. Screens are shrinking, and you hate that because it goes against everything you've been saying, and in lil't's case, it will eat into his livelihood
So, your proof that computer screens are replacing television screens as primary viewing devices? Once again, because the capability is there, does not mean people are using it.

Since movies, commercials, and television shows REQUIRE sound, your stupid comments are just what they are....stupid. Comments without proof is like an empty wagon.

So if 3D is really geared to the large-TV owning, BR watching, upper-class, movie collectors out there, who just happen to be itching for another expensive upgrade in their homes, then I seriously doubt it's going to be the ubiquitous, universal, every-day technology found in every other home. As I said, it will get there for some, but certainly not in the numbers lil't and Wooch would like us to believe.
Sir T and Wooch have posted statistics to support their points, Nightliar supports his with whimsical non facts and gut feelings. Nighidiot seems to love to side step the point that broadcast television will have 3D networks, and ESPN is not exactly for the upper class, or for BR watching movie collectors.

Over and over again we have to be assaulted by stupid ignorant comments from an individual who comes to us half cocked full of mis information or non information. Nobody says that 3D will be cheap in the beginning just like nobody said that Blu ray would be cheap in the beginning. The televisions just like Blu ray players, DVD, players, HDTV, VHS players and every other consumer electronic device will come down in price. There are going to be people like myself who will jump in early, some folks will wait a while, and some folks might never buy a 3D television. That is they way it has been for years with each new bit of technology enters the market.

What I would like to see is some legitimate concerns about the technology, not some wimpy ill conceived drivel coming from a person who makes tying his shoes equal to sending a person to pluto. I don't want to hear from somebody who on one side of his mouth says that 3D is for big screens, and then turns around and says that people will be watching 3D on 2.5" screens. Which is it nightlyingidiot?