Sony 3.2 Billion Below Projections

[pixelthis]

That is billion with a "B".
They had a projected profit of roughly 1.6 bill, and wound up with a loss of around that much.
Thats about 3.3 billion under projected earnings.
In other trainwreak news Phillips laid off 6,000 people.
Any way I can bail outta this rollercoaster before it gets to HELL

[nightflier]

I owned Sony stock, once, a long time ago. Glad I don't now. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't own their stock based on principle.

[pixelthis]

I owned Sony stock, once, a long time ago. Glad I don't now. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't own their stock based on principle.

aT THE RISK OF OPENING PANDORAS box...
WHAT principle?

[nightflier]

Corporate practices - proprietary technologies, taking over competitors and then firing most of the employees, extreme DRM measures on music, dropping SACD, frivolous lawsuits to cow smaller players in "their" markets. Obviously some of those have less of an impact on their bottom line than mine, but I'm just sick of the shenanigans. Even when they come out with something decent, they find a way to clip it's wings in mid-flight - like what they did with the new PS3s. Unlike some companies, they put too much emphasis on the bottom dollar at the expense of innovation, creativity, and the fun-factor of CE products. Compare that to Apple, for example.

Anyhow, there's your can of worms. Going fishing?

[Feanor]

... Unlike some companies, they put too much emphasis on the bottom dollar at the expense of innovation, creativity, and the fun-factor of CE products. Compare that to Apple, for example.
...

Large, especially conglomerate, corporations these days all fit in the Sony category. That's because these corporations have have only ONE objective which is to maximized shareholder profit in the short or, at best, medium, term. In many cases we might add, maximized shareholder profit after executives have looted as much as they can.

[nightflier]

All the more reason to stay away from CE products from large, publicly-traded companies. Isn't that what the whole back-to-basics, buy-local, buy-smaller mantra is all about? I'll even dare say, that I'd pay a premium, maybe even a significant premium, if it meant better quality, more personalized customer-service, and longevity on a product.

Or is this going to bring about the end of capitalism as we know it?

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Corporate practices - proprietary technologies, taking over competitors and then firing most of the employees, extreme DRM measures on music, dropping SACD, frivolous lawsuits to cow smaller players in "their" markets. Obviously some of those have less of an impact on their bottom line than mine, but I'm just sick of the shenanigans. Even when they come out with something decent, they find a way to clip it's wings in mid-flight - like what they did with the new PS3s. Unlike some companies, they put too much emphasis on the bottom dollar at the expense of innovation, creativity, and the fun-factor of CE products. Compare that to Apple, for example.

Anyhow, there's your can of worms. Going fishing?

Same old BS from the king of BS. Another slam at a CE company in favor of pitching a computer company. If you are sick of Sony, don't buy their stuff. But sitting here crapping in your draws about what a devil they are is not going to accomplish anything. Sony didn't drop support of SACD, the major record companies did. And just how did they clip the PS3 wings? It still plays games and bluray's doesn't it?

Apple crap is over priced, and only performs marginally better than a PC on some tasks. So what? Sony is not the only record company using DRM, so why the pin point focus on them? Oh and I suppose that there is nothing about Apple that is proprietary right?

You are one predictable individual nightliar, to the point of boredom.

[pixelthis]

Corporate practices - proprietary technologies, taking over competitors and then firing most of the employees, extreme DRM measures on music, dropping SACD, frivolous lawsuits to cow smaller players in "their" markets. Obviously some of those have less of an impact on their bottom line than mine, but I'm just sick of the shenanigans. Even when they come out with something decent, they find a way to clip it's wings in mid-flight - like what they did with the new PS3s. Unlike some companies, they put too much emphasis on the bottom dollar at the expense of innovation, creativity, and the fun-factor of CE products. Compare that to Apple, for example.

Anyhow, there's your can of worms. Going fishing?

SONY DROPPED SACD?
And dont get me started on APPLE.
SO, what is an enthusiast supposed to do?
Dig out the soldering gun and "roll" your own?

[nightflier]

lil't,

So what the hell crawled up your a$$ and died there, today? Go sh1t on someone else's parade will you. I only mentioned Apple as an example of a company that creates well designed, researched and good looking products, sometimes at the expense of the bottom line. The fact that Apple is a computer company had nothing to do with and I was referring mostly to their CE product line, anyhow. Anyhow, who invited your sour-puss opinion in here? I'm pretty sure the OP didn't. Or are you stalking me again? Get a life!

Pix,

Sony's newer PS3s don't have the same capabilities as the earlier generation player. Why hobble a successful product? Who's the marketing nimrod who thought that one up? And regarding SACD, they sure as hell didn't do much to help the format; and once it was clear they weren't going to make billions off the new format, they pulled the plug and let the smaller guys do their best to keep it afloat. All the other critiques I mentioned don't need further explanation, I believe.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

lil't,

So what the hell crawled up your a$$ and died there, today? Go sh1t on someone else's parade will you. I only mentioned Apple as an example of a company that creates well designed, researched and good looking products, sometimes at the expense of the bottom line. The fact that Apple is a computer company had nothing to do with and I was referring mostly to their CE product line, anyhow. Anyhow, who invited your sour-puss opinion in here? I'm pretty sure the OP didn't. Or are you stalking me again? Get a life!

Nightb!tch
I remember you said once that anyone can post anywhere they want, and can reply to anyone's post they want to. So that is what I did no nutz, so stop sh!tting in your pampers and get over it. Stalking you, only if I wanted to be a dumb idiot like you. Otherwise not worth my time or energy, I know a plenty how much you know about anything. That would be nothing

Pix,

Sony's newer PS3s don't have the same capabilities as the earlier generation player. Why hobble a successful product? Who's the marketing nimrod who thought that one up? And regarding SACD, they sure as hell didn't do much to help the format; and once it was clear they weren't going to make billions off the new format, they pulled the plug and let the smaller guys do their best to keep it afloat. All the other critiques I mentioned don't need further explanation, I believe.

This is what thinking in a vacuum with no brains gets you. First, the PS3 in its early stages was not doing all that well, as it was said it was too expensive. Sony HAD to trim the cost (and therefore their losses) on the machine, and so they carefully looked at what was not really needed. By eleminating the SACD component of the machine, it did not cripple it at all. They addressed the fact that SACD was not well supported in the first place, and that the Bluray spec already allows for high resolution audio that was equal or better than SACD (support for 8 channels as opposed to 6), getting rid of SACD was a natural decision to make. The audio world is 96% PCM, and that ain't changing, so supporting SACD is a waste of resources and therefore an uneeded expense on the machine. The PS3 still plays games and blurays, so it is NOT crippled at all, its a product that was taken back to it core supporters, and since they did this, the PS3 has been selling very well, at a cheaper price. I would say this is a mission accomplished for them.

If you do not know how to analyze a situation and respond to it, you are in deep crap in the business world. But of course you have never been all that astute in the business side of things anyway Mr. Bluray player in the sea All it takes is critical thinking nightpuss, something that you fall short on time and time again Mr. download is going to over take Bluray

[Rich-n-Texas]

And so, the battle resumes...

(not that there's anything wrong with that)

[nightflier]

lil't, you're just making my point. The new PS3s are another example of how Sony won't stand behind it's own products, in this case SACD.

Ironic how that works out, isn't it?

Dimwit!

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

lil't, you're just making my point. The new PS3s are another example of how Sony won't stand behind it's own products, in this case SACD.

Ironic how that works out, isn't it?

Dimwit!

Wow, you are even more stupid than stupid. Can you tell me why in the hell I would add another $60 bucks to the price of my player for a technology that NO record company wants to support? I know you don't have a brain, so can you use the air between your ears? SACD was not dropped or unsupported by Sony, get you facts straight nightidiot. It was the record companies that didn't support SACD, because quite frankly the world is PCM and not DSD. Sony developed post production tools for it, supported all the processors it sold, and continue to do so to this day. So if you don't think they stood behind their product, then you are quite a bit less smart than the stupid I think you already are.

The bluray spec makes considerations for 8 channels of 24bit audio up to a 192khz sample rate. That performance EXCEEDS what SACD can do, and it is compatible with the equipment in 96% of the studio's all over the world. SACD has been supplanted by another better technology, so why add the cost to the PS3 by supporting something that has already been supplanted by a better technology? Wait, don't answer that, it would be like watching dumb and dumber all over again, and I just cannot bare anymore of your short sighted non thinking responses.

We have Dts-HD MA lossless, Dolby TrueHD, AND PCM, all of which outperform SACD, and all supported by the PS3. So just how crippled does that make the PS3? Oh wait, don't answer that either You know nightsh!t, you were never that bright from the beginning, but it appears you are getting worse by the minute.

[nightflier]

Nonetheless, they still dropped SACD from the PS3. You pointing that out just supports my original statement.

You're such a nimrod, you can't handle the fact that you got caught with your thumb up your a$$, again!

And as for the other formats, they are all for video (with just a couple of exceptions). It's a different market, but you just can't get that through your big, dumb, bald head. SACD is purely an audio format for people who want to enjoy high quality music and don't want to be bothered with fiddling through a menu on a TV screen.

How many times do I have to flush before you go away, lil't? You're stinking up the place!

[bobsticks]

It might be a little disingenuous to imply that 99.999% of the target market for the PS3 really gives a damn about SACD...they prolly do, however, care about the sixty bucks as they're, y'know, seventeen years old.

Fortunately, for those of us that did and do care about SACD there was a model available for purchase. I love mine.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Nonetheless, they still dropped SACD from the PS3. You pointing that out just supports my original statement.

You know what, I forgot you major in minors. You do not have the capacity to do any better than that. My bad. ....

You're such a nimrod, you can't handle the fact that you got caught with your thumb up your a$$, again!

The master of irrelevancy. You make stupid statements, and hope is scores you points....typical of the basement computer geek type.

And as for the other formats, they are all for video (with just a couple of exceptions). It's a different market, but you just can't get that through your big, dumb, bald head. SACD is purely an audio format for people who want to enjoy high quality music and don't want to be bothered with fiddling through a menu on a TV screen.

Sorry you are wrong again nightpuss. I review ALL audio discs titles, video and non video for bluray.com, and I have done several (6 now) reviews where a small euro record company alone has produced non video, high quality classical and synthisized music releases with a 24/192 khz Dts-HD MA 7.1 track, a Dolby TrueHD at 24/192khz 7.1, a DSD at 5.1, a PCM at 7.1, a DXD at 7.1, also a Dolby Digital 5.1 at 640kbps, and Dts 5.1 core at 1.5mbps, and lastly a two channel a 24/96khz and a 24/48khz stereo tracks all on one disc, with no video whatsoever. Pioneer is also coming out with non video Bluray 3.0 spec music only with no video titles in less three months. So this goes to shows how absolutely stupid, behind the times, uneducated, and plain ignorant you are of what is going on bluray format.

How many times do I have to flush before you go away, lil't? You're stinking up the place!

Did it ever occur to you that you are smelling yourself? Or maybe are you just used to it?

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

It might be a little disingenuous to imply that 99.999% of the target market for the PS3 really gives a damn about SACD...they prolly do, however, care about the sixty bucks as they're, y'know, seventeen years old.

Fortunately, for those of us that did and do care about SACD there was a model available for purchase. I love mine.

The voice of common sense, critical thinking, and reason. As a matter of fact when you look at DVD players, there are alot of models available for that, and by the way...thanks to Sony. So much for their lack of support

Think about if from Sony's perspective. Do I sell more machines (because that is what it is) that do not include SACD to the movie and gamer lovers, or do I worry about the shrinking market that calls themselves SACD fans. As a guy that looks at this in 3D, the answer is obvious. For nightfoo, he would rather loose money than turn his business back to its core fans.

[Rich-n-Texas]

T, ya know what's gonna happen next right? Pix is gonna come along and call you an employee and shill for Sony again. You know that right?

[bobsticks]

T, ya know what's gonna happen next right? Pix is gonna come along and call you an employee and shill for Sony again. You know that right?

ROTFLMAO!! Greenies for you...< snort >

[pixelthis]

T, ya know what's gonna happen next right? Pix is gonna come along and call you an employee and shill for Sony again. You know that right?

The truth is the truth.
LIKE CLOCKWORK, Sonys pit cocker spaniel on this board jumps to their
defense.
But he doesnt work for em, no siree!!.
But broken clock talky is right a couple of times a day, and hes right about DSD
unfortunatly.
When I unplugged my SACD to make way for my Blu in a more permanant
install, I KNEW I was probably saying bye to the elegant and great sounding format
SACD.
Like DLP there is just no place in the world for it.
If it were more established maybe...but talky is right about BLU blowing it away.
EVERY bit of music (some 48k, some 96, etc) just blows away SACD and everything else
just about, I just wish there was an audio only format.
One problem SACD always had with the cognicenti was the way it had inherent
noise, which it pushed up into the inaudible spectrum, this bothered people.
BUT thats all moot, the chances of SACD making it are about the same as PLASMA..
slim and zero.
So as much as I hate to agree with talky on anything I pretty much have to this time,
even tho I am going to need a 24hr shower to even begin to feel clean again.
But I am sure he'll do something totally idiotic that will justify a good toss with a rotten tomato, just like rivers flowing into the sea.

[nightflier]

Sorry you are wrong again nightpuss. I review ALL audio discs titles, video and non video for bluray.com, and I have done several (6 now) reviews where a small euro record company alone has produced non video, high quality classical and synthisized music releases with a 24/192 khz Dts-HD MA 7.1 track, a Dolby TrueHD at 24/192khz 7.1, a DSD at 5.1, a PCM at 7.1, a DXD at 7.1, also a Dolby Digital 5.1 at 640kbps, and Dts 5.1 core at 1.5mbps, and lastly a two channel a 24/96khz and a 24/48khz stereo tracks all on one disc, with no video whatsoever. Pioneer is also coming out with non video Bluray 3.0 spec music only with no video titles in less three months. So this goes to shows how absolutely stupid, behind the times, uneducated, and plain ignorant you are of what is going on bluray format.

You really can't read, can you lil't? Are you just too short to see the screen? I said "with exceptions" because I knew you'd try to split hairs about this too. And you don't have to get all preachy-teacher about it either, we all know by now about the paltry few music-only disks out there, so stop wasting everybody's time. But really, what infinitesmally small percentage of the BR market does this music-only format represent? Probably so small that even your mosquito-piddle-sized piss-ant a$$ can barely see it.

Oh, and just for the record, you can whine all you want, you still made my point about PS3. Stop crying over it and move on, will you. As a matter of fact, get the hell out of here before Pix starts up on ya. Oops, too late.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

T, ya know what's gonna happen next right? Pix is gonna come along and call you an employee and shill for Sony again. You know that right?

Looks like you nailed that one huh

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

You really can't read, can you lil't? Are you just too short to see the screen? I said "with exceptions" because I knew you'd try to split hairs about this too. And you don't have to get all preachy-teacher about it either, we all know by now about the paltry few music-only disks out there, so stop wasting everybody's time. But really, what infinitesmally small percentage of the BR market does this music-only format represent? Probably so small that even your mosquito-piddle-sized piss-ant a$$ can barely see it.

With you, splitting hairs is necessary. You tend to gloss over important detail in an feeble effort to advance you uneducated and shortsighted opinions. The statement Sony "crippled" the PS3 is at best inflammatory, and at worst completely stupid (but par for the course with you). And this is how idiotic this statement is. You are going to critisize Sony for the exclusion of SACD in the PS3 as if there was a BIG market for that, and then turn around a belittle the support of bluray music as small and insignificant. This is typical of the twisted schetzophrenic way you analyze things. The size of the market for bluray music is growing rapidly, much like the support of the format itself even in a recession, something you said was going to derail bluray support.(wrong again!!!) The demand for SACD is far less than the demand for bluray music. While SACD is selling in the thousands, Surround Music informed me that their last released title sold over 25,000 copies WW in less than three weeks time. So there is obviously more demand for bluray music than there currently is for SACD, and that is why there is no SACD support in the PS3.

Oh, and just for the record, you can whine all you want, you still made my point about PS3. Stop crying over it and move on, will you. As a matter of fact, get the hell out of here before Pix starts up on ya. Oops, too late.

The only point you made is that you are still nightLIAR, because I didn't make your point, and neither did you. The PS3 is NOT crippled, and never has been. It plays PS3 games, bluray movies, streams, and the only thing it doesn't do that it used to do, was play SACD's. SACD support was an addition after the machine was sold, and was never apart of the machine when sold, so excluding an OPTION offered to the machine is not crippling it. You don't cripple something by removing an option nightstupid!

[nightflier]

Oh quit whining and beating that dead horse. You know you got the short end of the argument again. Look, you stepped it in, now go and wipe it off somewhere else - as I said you're stinking up the place.

And don't go spouting off more FUD. The music you're talking about is with video. The music-only BR market is a fraction of a percent of the SACD market. Are you really so desperate for greenies that you'll try to pass off that distortion of the facts too. You are so pathetic, it's sad.

And I was going to suggest that you probably have some vested interest in defending Sony, too, but you'll probably spend another three pages defending yourself and wasting everybody's time, so just forget I even mentioned it. lil't, don't you have anything better to do than being that one mosquito that just won't get caught in the bug zapper? We can't quite swat you, but dammit, we can still hear your incessant buzzing....

[pixelthis]

Oh quit whining and beating that dead horse. You know you got the short end of the argument again. Look, you stepped it in, now go and wipe it off somewhere else - as I said you're stinking up the place.

And don't go spouting off more FUD. The music you're talking about is with video. The music-only BR market is a fraction of a percent of the SACD market. Are you really so desperate for greenies that you'll try to pass off that distortion of the facts too. You are so pathetic, it's sad.

And I was going to suggest that you probably have some vested interest in defending Sony, too, but you'll probably spend another three pages defending yourself and wasting everybody's time, so just forget I even mentioned it. lil't, don't you have anything better to do than being that one mosquito that just won't get caught in the bug zapper? We can't quite swat you, but dammit, we can still hear your incessant buzzing....

FIND his schedule at the local JR high and go slap his face.
What are they teaching kids these days?