Shhhhh Don't Tell Pix....Vizio is coming out with...A PLASMA!!!!

[O'Shag]

[QUOTE=pixelthis
Receivers serve most well because they dont know what they are missing, and the usually small size of a living room and the relative low vollumes used most of the time
help also.
for most a receiver is fine, but for sound with AUTHORITY you need real power.
A Chevy P.O.S will get you to the walmart, but to win NASCAR you need to kick it with
some real horsepower[/QUOTE]

Very well said. The problem is that most folks tend to think their schtuff is just about as good as it gets. How wrong they are. The difference when feeding a speaker up to 1000watts of quality power as opposed to 200watts of receiver power is massive. Literally night and day. Its hard to tell people who have never experienced this. Power equals improvement in everything. Speed, control, soundstage, depth, sense of ease/ no compression, proper tone, instantaneous dynamic shifts and transients - all sounds like BS - until you hear it for yourself. The utter clarity that results means things sound a lot closer to the real thing. Of course the speaker is a major part of the equation too.

Don't think that because high-sensitivity speakers can get by on 3 watts, they don't sound great on 600watts. JBLs speakers are rated over 100db sensitivity, yet they suggest that several 600watt amps (triamped) are used for their top speakers - why? Because the result will be zero distortion, absolute signal integrity. Bob Carver long ago ran some tests, and figured out that to accurately reproduce the sound of a pin dropping without any distortion required well over 600 watts!

Another pet peave, I don't get people saying the B&W 800d nautilus series is a bad speaker or just average. I know that people who say this either haven't even heard it, or have been listening to the speaker being driven inadequatey or there is a problem somewhere. Granted it is a power hog, but given the right power, the Nautilus will, in most important performance parameters, outperform most speakers out there. Power is the key. That is why many of the best recording studios in the world use B&W - not because they look pretty, or because the B&W saleman wags his or her bum.

Its important to have a realistic view of the world, because otherwise one is stuck in a 'nirvana' of ignorance and that is usually not a good thing. Our hobby doesn't mean that we have to have the best, but to know what the best can sound like, and then to strive as best we can to get close to it.

Pix, much respect mate I do think you make a lot of sense on many of your posts - although you should go easy on JRyhmeammo as he was only trying to defend you. BoundGrief is fair game though - just kidding!

[pixelthis]

Very well said. The problem is that most folks tend to think their schtuff is just about as good as it gets. How wrong they are. The difference when feeding a speaker up to 1000watts of quality power as opposed to 200watts of receiver power is massive. Literally night and day. Its hard to tell people who have never experienced this. Power equals improvement in everything. Speed, control, soundstage, depth, sense of ease/ no compression, proper tone, instantaneous dynamic shifts and transients - all sounds like BS - until you hear it for yourself. The utter clarity that results means things sound a lot closer to the real thing. Of course the speaker is a major part of the equation too.

Don't think that because high-sensitivity speakers can get by on 3 watts, they don't sound great on 600watts. JBLs speakers are rated over 100db sensitivity, yet they suggest that several 600watt amps (triamped) are used for their top speakers - why? Because the result will be zero distortion, absolute signal integrity. Bob Carver long ago ran some tests, and figured out that to accurately reproduce the sound of a pin dropping without any distortion required well over 600 watts!

Another pet peave, I don't get people saying the B&W 800d nautilus series is a bad speaker or just average. I know that people who say this either haven't even heard it, or have been listening to the speaker being driven inadequatey or there is a problem somewhere. Granted it is a power hog, but given the right power, the Nautilus will, in most important performance parameters, outperform most speakers out there. Power is the key. That is why many of the best recording studios in the world use B&W - not because they look pretty, or because the B&W saleman wags his or her bum.

Its important to have a realistic view of the world, because otherwise one is stuck in a 'nirvana' of ignorance and that is usually not a good thing. Our hobby doesn't mean that we have to have the best, but to know what the best can sound like, and then to strive as best we can to get close to it.

Pix, much respect mate I do think you make a lot of sense on many of your posts - although you should go easy on JRyhmeammo as he was only trying to defend you. BoundGrief is fair game though - just kidding!

glad someone gets what I am trying to say.
I strive to make my system the best I CAN, BUT saving for retirement and daily expenses
means that compromises will have to be made, this is the experience of most people.
My vizio is fine for my needs, I prefer to concentrate on the audio side anyway,
because of the law of diminishing returns I would have to spend an inordinate amout to get a substantial increase in performance.
And we are curently going through a wave of improvement the likes of which I have never seen in fourty years of messing with this stuff..
I WOULDNT SPEND FIVE OR TEN GRAND ON ANY kind of video display device, its likely to be obsolete before its served much time.
But amps are pretty much established, and that is probably my next purchase,
something with a damping factor higher than 40 .
Thanks for the kind words anyway

[Duds]

you are an absolute jerkoff. every one of your posts in the past has been how your piece of sh*t vizio LCD was better than any plasma on the market, doesnt weight as much, can't kill someone if it tips over, doesn't have killer gases inside it, blah blah blah, and now you state that you are making compromises because you are saving for retirement, and your Vizio is fine for your needs? what an a-hole.

glad someone gets what I am trying to say.
I strive to make my system the best I CAN, BUT saving for retirement and daily expenses
means that compromises will have to be made, this is the experience of most people.
My vizio is fine for my needs, I prefer to concentrate on the audio side anyway,
because of the law of diminishing returns I would have to spend an inordinate amout to get a substantial increase in performance.
And we are curently going through a wave of improvement the likes of which I have never seen in fourty years of messing with this stuff..
I WOULDNT SPEND FIVE OR TEN GRAND ON ANY kind of video display device, its likely to be obsolete before its served much time.
But amps are pretty much established, and that is probably my next purchase,
something with a damping factor higher than 40 .
Thanks for the kind words anyway