Shhhhh Don't Tell Pix....Vizio is coming out with...A PLASMA!!!!

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

You prefer the picture of your dinosaur.

This is correct. I prefer it because it looks better than any of the flat panel out there, not to mention beats them in every performance catagory that is important for getting high quality images.

Thats fine, some still like to ride horses.
Horses any car can outrun.
Whether or not I can "afford" an antique monstrosity with a lifespan of a few years is
irrelavant, point is I'd be stupid to buy one.

You shouldn't have any problem getting used to a antique monstrosity, you are one. CRT of all kinds have a longer track record on the market than any flat panel. So to say that it has a life span of only a few years shows more ignorance than your last responses. A friend of mine's plasma pooped out after only two years of use. My grandmother is still sporting a RCA brand single tube CRT she has had for more than twenty years.

You would be stupid to buy a high end projection system. Performance is not your bag, how cheap something is fits you much better.

THEY can make a display with 2,000 p, why not get one of those?

A display that does 2000p would be far larger and monstrous than my current RPTV and G-90. If you are wailing about the size of the device(I believe you have used monstrous several times about my CRT based RPTV) then this would defeat the purpose. If it takes 150", and the inablility of getting the display in my hometheater to get 2160p, it would take something just a "little" smaller(and I mean just a little smaller) to get enough pixels to do 2000p. 2000p is not made for the home just for that reason, it would take a huge device to get enough pixel on the screen to do 2000p. You should know this, you claim to know more than anyone else around here.

A rousch porsch has to be certified to go 200 mph before it can be sold, why not buy one of those? GET some real value for your money.

I thought we were talking about display devices. How did we get to cars? You wander in your discussion far too much.

And I HAVENT BEEN "TALKING UP FLAT PANEL", I have been talking about display projectors, primarily DLP and LCOS, the future, btw.
THESE PROJECTORS HAVE 99% OF THE PERFORMANCE

Sorry, but you know not what you speak old fool. There is no digital projector out there that does anywhere close to 2000x2500 lines of clean clear information. ZERO! There are no digital display devices that do a TRUE 20,000:1 constrast ratio. Even the best consumer based digital projector out there barely does 8,000:1, and it highly depends on how you measure it. NONE of the digital projectors display the proper color gamut for HD images. All digital projectors have motion and blur problems. DLP still has rainbow problems that I can clearly see, even the more expensive ones have it. Even the most expensive LCD projector still presents black as grey, even though JVC rsp1 comes closer to doing black that I have seen out of any digital projector. So before you pull a number like 99% to describe how close they are in performance, you need to actually compare, which is something you haven't done, and I have. You have NO experience with high end CRT's, you are just using your experience with cheap single gun CRT's as your reference. You have not seen all that many digital projectors out there or you wouldn't be making these outrageous claims on their performance. Digital projection is getting better and better each year, but it still has quite a ways to go to catch up with high end CRT based projection system. Even Joe Kane admits that, are you going to challenge his word as well?

of one of your "dinosaurs" at a fraction of the price.
I am talking about real world tech, stuff that people with lives can afford,
and that will beat the pants off of your crt dinos in real world conditions.

Man, you just continue to lie and lie just to stay in the game. As I have explained above, there is currently no parimeter that these new digital projectors beat a high end CRT based projector. There is no $5,000 dollar digital projector than looks better (except for sharpness) than a Sony G-90 or an electrohome 9500. NONE. There is no $10,000 projector who performance exceeds the G-90 or the 9500. From what I have seen out there, you would have to spend upwards of $60,000 dollars on a 2k or 4k digital projector to even come close, but you still have black level problems. The single chip digital display are not even in the same ballpark as a three gun high end CRT projector. The three chip digital displays come close, but are far more expensive than a high end CRT projector.

When you talk of displays that YOU can afford, there is nothing out there that would even compete with a data grade CRT projector let alone a graghics grade one.

Is one of your dinos "better" at black level by .001 %?

Well, one of my dino does 30,000:1 measured, the other 25,000:1. That is easily below black on the pluge pattern. The best measured digital display I have seen is a $60,000 Sony 4K projector that does 20,000:1. It does it without the auto iris found on most digital displays to help them get better black levels. There is nothing out there below $20,000 that comes close to either of these two measurements. So I think its is quite a bit better than .001%. Just throwing out these abstract numbers shows just how ignorant you are on this issue.

WHO CARES.
I certainly dont, and that doesnt make me a compromiser, because I AM already
a compromiser, everybody is.

You are a huge compromiser if you would take a cheap a$$ digital projector over a high end CRT projector. Performance is not your bag, price is. That is the driving factor for you. You will compromise every area of display performance just to save a buck. I am not that guy. I will pay for performance gains, only if they offer a visual or audible improvement. I do not buy just for the sake of expensive, but I will buy an expensive piece of eqiupment if it is the best my dollar can buy. This is why I say your ceiling is my floor.

There is a certain point of deminishing returns that it becomes rediculous to keep pouring
massive sums of money into something for smaller and smaller returns.

This is where your arguement is getting twisted. I have already purchased my stuff, so I am not pouring money anywhere. I bought high quality stuff from the get go, stuff that is upgradeable either via firmware, or pull out modules like my video processors have. I bought my G-90 several years ago, and the upgrades to it have cost me next to nothing. Each and every upgrade I that was done produced visual results, so its money well spent. When the performance of the digital projectors catches up with my setup, I will go with the digital display. That is what folks that like the best images on their screens do. Until it catches up, I will enjoy my dinos, upgrades and all.

Most get as much performance as they can afford, but sooner or later all
begin to question spending thousands for tiny increments of improvement.

Well, when I begin to spend thousands and thousands on improvements, then we can talk. But the improvements I have done have not cost anywhere near that amount. This is why I know that you do not know anything about CRT's beyond the cheap single gun type.

You have a great system if you have a ton of money to waste and are hermit that
borders on autistic.
Have fun sitting in that "cave" of yours

This smacks of pure jealousy, and is laughable. You are just a mediocre person, with mediocre taste, with no understanding of the value of performance, or any idea of what performance is except what you TALK about rather than own.

Let's face it pixelass, you have seen a few cheap digital projectors and think they are the end all. I have been researching projectors of all kinds for the last six to seven months for my studio. You have been hear talking about them, while I have been actually viewing them. You talk about how good you THINK they are, but I have seen them measured and compared against each other. What you need to do if you are going to have this discussion with me is to get off of your fat cheap a$$, look at a properly calibrated and tweaked G-90 or 9500, and go and compare that to any projector costing what you think is reasonable. That would be alot more productive and informative than just sitting on your fat old ignorant a$$ throwing out abstract percentages and numbers, and making stupid claims that are not supported by fact and measurements.

[pixelthis]

This is correct. I prefer it because it looks better than any of the flat panel out there, not to mention beats them in every performance catagory that is important for getting high quality images.



You shouldn't have any problem getting used to a antique monstrosity, you are one. CRT of all kinds have a longer track record on the market than any flat panel. So to say that it has a life span of only a few years shows more ignorance than your last responses. A friend of mine's plasma pooped out after only two years of use. My grandmother is still sporting a RCA brand single tube CRT she has had for more than twenty years.

You would be stupid to buy a high end projection system. Performance is not your bag, how cheap something is fits you much better.




A display that does 2000p would be far larger and monstrous than my current RPTV and G-90. If you are wailing about the size of the device(I believe you have used monstrous several times about my CRT based RPTV) then this would defeat the purpose. If it takes 150", and the inablility of getting the display in my hometheater to get 2160p, it would take something just a "little" smaller(and I mean just a little smaller) to get enough pixels to do 2000p. 2000p is not made for the home just for that reason, it would take a huge device to get enough pixel on the screen to do 2000p. You should know this, you claim to know more than anyone else around here.



I thought we were talking about display devices. How did we get to cars? You wander in your discussion far too much.



Sorry, but you know not what you speak old fool. There is no digital projector out there that does anywhere close to 2000x2500 lines of clean clear information. ZERO! There are no digital display devices that do a TRUE 20,000:1 constrast ratio. Even the best consumer based digital projector out there barely does 8,000:1, and it highly depends on how you measure it. NONE of the digital projectors display the proper color gamut for HD images. All digital projectors have motion and blur problems. DLP still has rainbow problems that I can clearly see, even the more expensive ones have it. Even the most expensive LCD projector still presents black as grey, even though JVC rsp1 comes closer to doing black that I have seen out of any digital projector. So before you pull a number like 99% to describe how close they are in performance, you need to actually compare, which is something you haven't done, and I have. You have NO experience with high end CRT's, you are just using your experience with cheap single gun CRT's as your reference. You have not seen all that many digital projectors out there or you wouldn't be making these outrageous claims on their performance. Digital projection is getting better and better each year, but it still has quite a ways to go to catch up with high end CRT based projection system. Even Joe Kane admits that, are you going to challenge his word as well?



Man, you just continue to lie and lie just to stay in the game. As I have explained above, there is currently no parimeter that these new digital projectors beat a high end CRT based projector. There is no $5,000 dollar digital projector than looks better (except for sharpness) than a Sony G-90 or an electrohome 9500. NONE. There is no $10,000 projector who performance exceeds the G-90 or the 9500. From what I have seen out there, you would have to spend upwards of $60,000 dollars on a 2k or 4k digital projector to even come close, but you still have black level problems. The single chip digital display are not even in the same ballpark as a three gun high end CRT projector. The three chip digital displays come close, but are far more expensive than a high end CRT projector.

When you talk of displays that YOU can afford, there is nothing out there that would even compete with a data grade CRT projector let alone a graghics grade one.



Well, one of my dino does 30,000:1 measured, the other 25,000:1. That is easily below black on the pluge pattern. The best measured digital display I have seen is a $60,000 Sony 4K projector that does 20,000:1. It does it without the auto iris found on most digital displays to help them get better black levels. There is nothing out there below $20,000 that comes close to either of these two measurements. So I think its is quite a bit better than .001%. Just throwing out these abstract numbers shows just how ignorant you are on this issue.



You are a huge compromiser if you would take a cheap a$$ digital projector over a high end CRT projector. Performance is not your bag, price is. That is the driving factor for you. You will compromise every area of display performance just to save a buck. I am not that guy. I will pay for performance gains, only if they offer a visual or audible improvement. I do not buy just for the sake of expensive, but I will buy an expensive piece of eqiupment if it is the best my dollar can buy. This is why I say your ceiling is my floor.



This is where your arguement is getting twisted. I have already purchased my stuff, so I am not pouring money anywhere. I bought high quality stuff from the get go, stuff that is upgradeable either via firmware, or pull out modules like my video processors have. I bought my G-90 several years ago, and the upgrades to it have cost me next to nothing. Each and every upgrade I that was done produced visual results, so its money well spent. When the performance of the digital projectors catches up with my setup, I will go with the digital display. That is what folks that like the best images on their screens do. Until it catches up, I will enjoy my dinos, upgrades and all.



Well, when I begin to spend thousands and thousands on improvements, then we can talk. But the improvements I have done have not cost anywhere near that amount. This is why I know that you do not know anything about CRT's beyond the cheap single gun type.



This smacks of pure jealousy, and is laughable. You are just a mediocre person, with mediocre taste, with no understanding of the value of performance, or any idea of what performance is except what you TALK about rather than own.

Let's face it pixelass, you have seen a few cheap digital projectors and think they are the end all. I have been researching projectors of all kinds for the last six to seven months for my studio. You have been hear talking about them, while I have been actually viewing them. You talk about how good you THINK they are, but I have seen them measured and compared against each other. What you need to do if you are going to have this discussion with me is to get off of your fat cheap a$$, look at a properly calibrated and tweaked G-90 or 9500, and go and compare that to any projector costing what you think is reasonable. That would be alot more productive and informative than just sitting on your fat old ignorant a$$ throwing out abstract percentages and numbers, and making stupid claims that are not supported by fact and measurements.

If you are pathetic enough of a human being that its important for someone to be "jealous"
of your antique crap , then thats sad, really.
YEAH, a CRT front projector is the ultimate, yeah, right, that is why NO one makes em anymore.
And dont hand me that "good enough" crap, that is a cop out to justify YOUR stupid decisions, like spending a small fortune on something that has ONE USE, sitting in the dark and watching a friggin movie, thats IT.
well, maybe you can play a CD.
You just dont GET it, a .00001 improvement in black level isnt enough of a justification
to spend thousands on a one function device, that will sit unused most of the time.
The point I am trying to make is that your so called "quest" for "perfection" is a rationalization, a way to justify spending a fortune on crap, when the real reason is that you are afraid of change, like those turntable and tube loonies, you are scared of the future,
you spent your life investing in a certain way of doing things and now thats GONE,
AND IT WONT BE COMING BACK.
sad, really

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

If you are pathetic enough of a human being that its important for someone to be "jealous"

Who said it was important? I just stated an observation. I think its pathetic that you are jealous.

of your antique crap , then thats sad, really.
YEAH, a CRT front projector is the ultimate, yeah, right, that is why NO one makes em anymore.

Unlike yourself, I am not the sheeple type. I do not follow what the masses do. That is systemic of a person who cannot think for himself, or at all. You are the sheeple type, the cheap sheeple type. You do things just because everyone else is doing it, but you do it on the cheap. It doesn't matter that they don't make them anymore, you can still find them, and they still outperform digital projectors out there on the market. If that was not so, then Curt Palmer's company and other like his would not exist.

And dont hand me that "good enough" crap, that is a cop out to justify YOUR stupid decisions, like spending a small fortune on something that has ONE USE, sitting in the dark and watching a friggin movie, thats IT.

Look stupid old man, I do not have to prove anything to anyone. I do not have to justify anything to anyone. I make my decision based on my research, not sitting in a chair in the backwoods with one tooth in my mouth, and a coors beer in my hand. You do not know what I have spent, you do not know how much these things cost anymore. This ONE USE arguement is a red herring. I can watch anything on my projector that anyone else can watch on theirs. The digital projectors are nothing more than a digital implementation of projection television, and CRT's are analog. What are you stupid? Do you think that digital projection has some magic feature that allows it to project something that cannot be projected with a CRT based projection system? You ignorance is profound pixelstupid.

You just dont GET it, a .00001 improvement in black level isnt enough of a justification
to spend thousands on a one function device, that will sit unused most of the time.

There you go again with throwing out abstract numbers again. Pixelfoo, you cannot try and fill in the blanks of your ignorance with abstract information. Its not just an improvement in black levels, can't you read? Its improvement in contrast level, black levels, more accurate color gamut, the ability to be tweaked for higher resolutions. Part of the problems with color accuracy on the digital projectors stems from the fact that they cannot reproduce blacks. I use my projector every day, so you are bull$hitting when you say it will just sit idle most of the time. I use mine for special television programs, watching movies from bluray and HD satellite just like you can use a digital projector for.

The point I am trying to make is that your so called "quest" for "perfection" is a rationalization, a way to justify spending a fortune on crap, when the real reason is that you are afraid of change, like those turntable and tube loonies, you are scared of the future,
you spent your life investing in a certain way of doing things and now thats GONE,
AND IT WONT BE COMING BACK.
sad, really

I am afraid of change? Do you own a bluray player? Do you own a HD DVD player? No, you own neither. I ditched my DVD players two years ago. I bought into DVD the first year it came to market. I bought a bluray and HD DVD player because they are an improvment over DVD. I bought DVD because it was an improvement over VHS. I purchased DVD-A and SACD because it had performance advantages over CD. I bought my CRT projector because it was an improvement over what was out there when I purchased it. I will purchase a digital projector when it offers an improvement over what I currently have. What you do not seem to get is that we think fundamentally differently. Your a cheapskate, I am not. You are ignorant and uniformed, I am not. I will pay for the performance advantages, you won't because you don't treasure performance, you are a penny counter. I have been out there looking at projectors, you are here talking about what you think. I prefer my eyes over your big uninformed mouth. When I see the digital projectors outperforming my CRT's, I will give up my CRT's. However I am not going to spend $60k for a projector that get you in the ballpark, but is not a home run. And to my eyes there is nothing under $20k that will outperform my CRT's. I am not in love with stuff, I am in love with performance and quality. This is something you are having a hard time getting because it doesn't mean anything to you. You can justify the lesser because its cheaper, and everyone is buying them. Everyone is also bankrupting themselves shopping at your favorite place, Walmart. Just because that is what they are doing, does not mean that is what I am going to do.

You continue to play follow the leader sheeplecheapskate, I know its easier for you to not think and just follow the masses. There are some of us that are not interested in following that path.

You still are trying to evade answering this question. Why if digital flat panels and digital projection are so much better you cannot find one in use in the mastering houses in Hollywood? Surely if they were so much better, Hollywood would be all over them since they are now mastering high definition titles. Are you going to say they are behind the times as well?

[pixelthis]

Who said it was important? I just stated an observation. I think its pathetic that you are jealous

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Jealous of what?

Unlike yourself, I am not the sheeple type. I do not follow what the masses do. That is systemic of a person who cannot think for himself, or at all. You are the sheeple type, the cheap sheeple type. You do things just because everyone else is doing it, but you do it on the cheap. It doesn't matter that they don't make them anymore, you can still find them, and they still outperform digital projectors out there on the market. If that was not so, then Curt Palmer's company and other like his would not exist.

EVERYBODY follows what the "masses" do, there is no way around it.
High end audio and video float on a sea of mass market tech, and even then its not feasible sometimes to do certain things.
This is why its important to raise the level of awareness for "civilians".
Not only for their increased enjoyment, but if they buy better stuff than we in the HT world will get better stuff.
And this is why mass market form factors like LCD, DLP, LCOS, and eventually OLED
are important. THE MORE YOU CAN SELL the better they will be at a lower price and the larger the "high end" of the market will be.
If it gives your fragil ego a sense of superiority to play aroound with something that is obsolete, then by all means do so. You and "curt palmer " can scrounge the junkyards of the world for parts for your creations, maybe it'll keep you out of other peoples hair

Look stupid old man, I do not have to prove anything to anyone. I do not have to justify anything to anyone. I make my decision based on my research, not sitting in a chair in the backwoods with one tooth in my mouth, and a coors beer in my hand. You do not know what I have spent, you do not know how much these things cost anymore. This ONE USE arguement is a red herring. I can watch anything on my projector that anyone else can watch on theirs. The digital projectors are nothing more than a digital implementation of projection television, and CRT's are analog. What are you stupid? Do you think that digital projection has some magic feature that allows it to project something that cannot be projected with a CRT based projection system? You ignorance is profound pixelstupid.

CRT is limited by the light output of a phosper being hit by an electron beam, thats
why light output goes down for increased resolutions, because a finer pitch is needed for pixels, and they put out less light as a result.
Microdisplays can take a lot of light before they start to melt.
brightness is the chief failing of CRT, they were meant to be direct view, trying to use them for projection is like trying to fly to the moon in a Cessna.
DLP and other formats at the finest are limited by the diameter of a photon, a CRT
is limited by the diameter of an electron, and even if you could make a phosper dot that small it could never put out enough light.
AND DONT FORGET brightness is important to people, its why they like LCD and the new formats, it why every manufacturer has sold sets with the contrast set to "torch"
mode with the HT crowd complaining all the way.
OH, I forget, you dont live in the real world

There you go again with throwing out abstract numbers again. Pixelfoo, you cannot try and fill in the blanks of your ignorance with abstract information. Its not just an improvement in black levels, can't you read? Its improvement in contrast level, black levels, more accurate color gamut, the ability to be tweaked for higher resolutions. Part of the problems with color accuracy on the digital projectors stems from the fact that they cannot reproduce blacks. I use my projector every day, so you are bull$hitting when you say it will just sit idle most of the time. I use mine for special television programs, watching movies from bluray and HD satellite just like you can use a digital projector for.

Not in a lit room you dont.
The "black level" is the only advantage of crt, and its slim.
THE BLACK LEVEL ON MY SET IS QUITE GOOD, and the lack of glare means I can use it in real world conditions, and when I want to do serious watching I just turn down the backlight , at 50% the picture is quite good.
AND color purity has NOTHING to do with black level, BTW, NOT THAT THE NEW PANELS CANT REPRODUCE BLACK , they can, AND QUITE WELL.
And OLED is gradually being ramped up, unlike even crt, the black level is PERFECT.
That oughta shut up you "black level" fanatics.
But it wont, you will just find some other excuse to hang onto your crap, while most move to OLED screens the size of a wall.

I am afraid of change? Do you own a bluray player? Do you own a HD DVD player? No, you own neither. I ditched my DVD players two years ago. I bought into DVD the first year it came to market. I bought a bluray and HD DVD player because they are an improvment over DVD. I bought DVD because it was an improvement over VHS. I purchased DVD-A and SACD because it had performance advantages over CD. I bought my CRT projector because it was an improvement over what was out there when I purchased it. I will purchase a digital projector when it offers an improvement over what I currently have. What you do not seem to get is that we think fundamentally differently. Your a cheapskate, I am not. You are ignorant and uniformed, I am not. I will pay for the performance advantages, you won't because you don't treasure performance, you are a penny counter. I have been out there looking at projectors, you are here talking about what you think. I prefer my eyes over your big uninformed mouth. When I see the digital projectors outperforming my CRT's, I will give up my CRT's. However I am not going to spend $60k for a projector that get you in the ballpark, but is not a home run. And to my eyes there is nothing under $20k that will outperform my CRT's. I am not in love with stuff, I am in love with performance and quality. This is something you are having a hard time getting because it doesn't mean anything to you. You can justify the lesser because its cheaper, and everyone is buying them. Everyone is also bankrupting themselves shopping at your favorite place, Walmart. Just because that is what they are doing, does not mean that is what I am going to do.

You are in love with yourself, mostly.
My first DVD player was 450 bucks, had no component because that wasnt out yet.
When DVD came out I bought a 600$ panasonic model, when DVD players were selling for 50 bucks, so lay off of the "cheapskate" crap.
I am not a "cheapskate" neither am I A FOOL., UNLIKE YOURSELF.
I am not going to buy a half dozen different blu players in order to get the "best" that is currently out there, been there, done that.
In a year maybe, when everything has been finalized and the price drops a bit, maybe.
This "cheapskate" has a 1200 dollar receiver, maybe not much to you but it was a sacrifice to buy it.
And its only four years old AND OBSOLETE.
They have come out with THREE formats for video since I bought it four years ago, rendering the component video switching obsolete.
I paid for that feature, and now its useless.
Not going to do that with blu, or anything else.
My first DVD player had no component out, my second had component but no progressive scan, my third dvd audio, progresive scan, NO SACD.
Screw it, I am waiting

You continue to play follow the leader sheeplecheapskate, I know its easier for you to not think and just follow the masses. There are some of us that are not interested in following that path.

You "follow" that path whether or not you think so.
EVERY conference room at my old job had panasonic front projectors with seven"
guns, eventually they were replaced by DLP at a fraction of the size and a lot more performance, those pannys werent far off from what YOU have.
And my company had about a dozen of them.
YOU always follow the "masses", unless you are fabricating your own parts

You still are trying to evade answering this question. Why if digital flat panels and digital projection are so much better you cannot find one in use in the mastering houses in Hollywood? Surely if they were so much better, Hollywood would be all over them since they are now mastering high definition titles. Are you going to say they are behind the times as well?

I dont give a rats ass about what the "mastering houses " in hollywood,
why should I?
I use my gear for entertainment, they use theirs for work.
And I can bet that if CRT is being used its in the budget for replacement, as soon as the old stuff wears out.
I bought B&W speakers not because they are preferred by studio engineers,
but because they are scary good for the price.
BTW all of the departments , including endoscophy, at the hospital where I work, have dumped all of their CRTS, NOTHING BUT HIGH RES LCD PANELS are used now.
They are betting peoples lives on this tech.
But if its not good enough for you...

Those "mastering houses " are like any other business, you dont throw away a capital investment.
CRT is obsolete, that means that theres better out there, doesnt mean it still cant be used.
But I CAN GUARENTEE YA, it will be gone in a few years

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

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Jealous of what?

You tell me? Maybe because you are stuck with a cheap 37" vizio that can barely do 720p properly.

EVERYBODY follows what the "masses" do, there is no way around it.

You cannot speak for everybody. Some folks think for themselves. Now you may follow the masses for the simple reason that you cannot.

High end audio and video float on a sea of mass market tech, and even then its not feasible sometimes to do certain things.

I hate to bring this bad new to you stupid, but flat panels started off as a high end product. Revox was the first to exibit one at CES, and Revox was not a mass market brand. The first flat panel was out of the price range of mass market, but as manufacturing cost went down, the technology moved into the mainstream. Almost all electronics in the past started off in the high end and worked its way down.

This is why its important to raise the level of awareness for "civilians".
Not only for their increased enjoyment, but if they buy better stuff than we in the HT world will get better stuff.

Not necessarily. Arcam produced excellent CD and DVD players. Much of what they did in terms of design, quality of parts, and R&D will never be seen in the mass market. Its too costly to meet mass market pricing. Runco introduce constant height 2:35:1 with their special processing. You can find this on other high end projection systems, but you will never find it in mass market projectors that cost less than $5k because it is too expensive to implement at that price point. Wadia, Krell, California Audio Labs all have some of the best CD players out there. But you will not find the kinds of processors and parts in these players in mass market players, they would be too expensive. The mass market is full of performance compromises, and it has to be that way to meet mass market price points. The high end is driven by performance, not price, so compromises are greatly reduced.

And this is why mass market form factors like LCD, DLP, LCOS, and eventually OLED
are important. THE MORE YOU CAN SELL the better they will be at a lower price and the larger the "high end" of the market will be.

The high end was never meant to be large. This is another case of your coors beer mentality trying to grasp Dom perrion concepts. The high end market is performance driven, the mass market price driven. By logic the mass market will always be larger than the high end market. In the last 10 years, the mass market has grown, and the high end has shrunk profoundly as consumer look to get their components alot cheaper than they used to. When I bought my first CD player, it was over a grand. When I bought my first DVD player it was over a grand. Now you have folks crying over the price of a $400 bluray player. Once again to illustrate my point. There were CRT based high end projectors that could do an accurate 1080p back in 1997. Today the mass market is dominated by 720p displays, and displays that can barely do 1080p.

If it gives your fragil ego a sense of superiority to play aroound with something that is obsolete, then by all means do so. You and "curt palmer " can scrounge the junkyards of the world for parts for your creations, maybe it'll keep you out of other peoples hair

I thought being a low budget dumpster diver was going to keep you busy a while. But it looks like you can sift through trash and still be here to give some fleas. Its pretty clear that you did not make it past the third grade.

Obsolete \Ob"so*lete\, a. [L. obsoletus, p. p. of obsolescere. See Obsolescent.]

1. No longer in use; gone into disuse; disused; neglected; as, an obsolete word; an obsolete statute; -- applied chiefly to words, writings, or observances.

Your english is apparently as challenged as your knowledge of electronics. If I own, and thousand of others own and use something, it cannot be obsolete. If anyone is working to improve something, it is not neglected. If Curt Palmer is restoring and selling hundreds of high end projectors a year, then they are not no longer in use. I would try moving on to the fourth grade. It might improve your understanding of the english language.

CRT is limited by the light output of a phosper being hit by an electron beam, thats
why light output goes down for increased resolutions, because a finer pitch is needed for pixels, and they put out less light as a result.

Yes, but Sony, Electrohome, Ampro, Vidikitron, and Runco managed to create CRT's that exceed 1200 lumens(Sony and Electrohome 1300) and can still do an accurate 1080p and meet SMPTE specifications on a 130" screen. Its called 9" CRT's, which are capable of getting more light on the screen than a single gun CRT, even at higher resolutions.

Microdisplays can take a lot of light before they start to melt.
brightness is the chief failing of CRT, they were meant to be direct view, trying to use them for projection is like trying to fly to the moon in a Cessna.

Well that Cessna must have made it to the moon, because three gun CRT's are better performers in all areas than a single gun CRT. The best single gun CRT can do is 480i, with the exception of the HD CRT displays which cost $40 grand, and can do 1080p. Secondly, Joe Kane, you know the dude you like to quote alot(wrongly I might add) says that movies should be viewed in a dark room with a single bias light for smaller displays. That does not require eye searing levels of brightness, and if you have ever seen a properly calibrated display(and you have probably not based on this continued brightness arguement) you cannot view it in anything place but a darkened room, I do not care if the display is a LCD, LYCOS, DLP or plasma. So this whole CRT cannot do as much light as digital projectors is a red herring of an arguement at best.

DLP and other formats at the finest are limited by the diameter of a photon, a CRT
is limited by the diameter of an electron, and even if you could make a phosper dot that small it could never put out enough light.

Somehow somebody invented a three 9" CRT based projector that can do 1080p accurately, and meet SMPTE standards for light output on a 130" screen. The last testing on DLP television found that only one could accurately produce a 1080p image, even if it had more peak light than a CRT. So this comment rings as hollow as the space between your ears.

AND DONT FORGET brightness is important to people, its why they like LCD and the new formats, it why every manufacturer has sold sets with the contrast set to "torch"
mode with the HT crowd complaining all the way.
OH, I forget, you dont live in the real world

I certainly don't live in the world you just describe. That your world, you know, the "good enough" crowd. Not my people. And keeping your set in the torch mode kills bulb life, and bulbs are not cheap.

Not in a lit room you dont.
The "black level" is the only advantage of crt, and its slim.

Man you are a thick headed fool. Black level is not the only advantage of CRT. Contrast levels, the ability to accurately display the HD color gamut, the ability to properly track the greyscale over the sets operating range, instantaneous response, and no blur are CRT's advantages. Once again, you do not watch movies in a lit room unless you don't care about image quality. You cannot get the contast correct. But you don't care because performance is not your issue, price is.

THE BLACK LEVEL ON MY SET IS QUITE GOOD, and the lack of glare means I can use it in real world conditions, and when I want to do serious watching I just turn down the backlight , at 50% the picture is quite good.

When YOU say something is quite good, it probably crappy. Your vizio has a real world contrast ratio of about 300:1. I have seen those cheap a$$ sets in Costco. Black is grey, no matter how you slice it. When you say the picture is quite good, it probably looks like $hit becuase the price was right, even if the performance was in the toilet. Your ceiling is my floor, there is no doubt about that. I wouldn't put a vizio in my bathroom. But that is just me.

AND color purity has NOTHING to do with black level, BTW, NOT THAT THE NEW PANELS CANT REPRODUCE BLACK , they can, AND QUITE WELL.

You are in denial pixelstupid. Everyone knows that neither plasma, DLP, nor LCD can do black. Its dark grey. And if you cannot do black well, then the entire greyscale is off kilter, which effects how the color gamut is preceived by the eyes. These things do not work in isolation, they work in combination. If one is off, it effects all of the other parimeters as well. You will find that out when you purchase AVIA or Videoessentials and try and calibrate the thing. If blacker than black looks like grey on the pluge signal, then your greyscale tracking is completely off all the way to white.

And OLED is gradually being ramped up, unlike even crt, the black level is PERFECT.
That oughta shut up you "black level" fanatics.
But it wont, you will just find some other excuse to hang onto your crap, while most move to OLED screens the size of a wall.

Strange thing to say coming from you. I moved on to bluray, you are still doing DVD. I moved on to projection, you are still using a cheap 37" flat panel television. If there is anyone hanging on to anything, its you. Call me when OLED is larger than 11" and is cheaper than $2700 for that size. Sony is still at the prototype stage at 27". I am going to get quite a few years of perfect 1080p bliss, accurate greyscale, accurate HD color gamut, excellent contrast ratio, and the ability to do blacks before it gets to a reasonable price point.

You are in love with yourself, mostly.

Anyone that doesn't love themselves has some serious issues.

My first DVD player was 450 bucks, had no component because that wasnt out yet.
When DVD came out I bought a 600$ panasonic model, when DVD players were selling for 50 bucks, so lay off of the "cheapskate" crap.

You really think I am stupid. By the time DVD players were $50, there was very few players even over $300 bucks. Once again lying just to make a point. You got into DVD three years after it entered the market, because all of the first generation models from every manufacturer were over $1000. The next year the average price was around $600. Cheapskates dumpster dive and settle for cheap flat panel TV's

I am not a "cheapskate" neither am I A FOOL., UNLIKE YOURSELF.

You are both a cheapskate AND a fool. Everyone here knows that, you are the only one who doesn't.

I am not going to buy a half dozen different blu players in order to get the "best" that is currently out there, been there, done that.

You haven't even bought one yet, let alone a half a dozen.

In a year maybe, when everything has been finalized and the price drops a bit, maybe.

When everything is finalized. It has been for two years idiot. Oh and that price thing again(oh I am not cheap). The PS3 is a full profile player that does everything the format is spec for. You can find one for less than $400 dollars these days, or does it have to get to $50 to get your attention? Face it cheepie, your a cheepy.

This "cheapskate" has a 1200 dollar receiver, maybe not much to you but it was a sacrifice to buy it.
And its only four years old AND OBSOLETE.

Becoming tough to stretch that social security check huh? Well a $500 receiver is probably more full featured today than yours. Maybe if you ate dog food for a year you could get a new one.

They have come out with THREE formats for video since I bought it four years ago, rendering the component video switching obsolete.
I paid for that feature, and now its useless.

Yeah, well it was useless when you bought it. Component video switching in receivers is not a transparent process. The video bandwidth rolls off prematurely, and receiver from 4 years ago could not even reproduce the entire bandwidth of the DVD format without rolling off the high end. Anyone relying on that as a switching devices cannot have quality in their minds. Funny, I though only two video formats have been new in four years. DVD was not new four years ago, it was new eleven years ago. The only new video formats we have seen since DVD is HD DVD and Bluray. What is the third?

Not going to do that with blu, or anything else.
My first DVD player had no component out, my second had component but no progressive scan, my third dvd audio, progresive scan, NO SACD.
Screw it, I am waiting

And you accuse me of holding on to old stuff. LOL. Get a PS3, its a fully featured player that fully meets the bluray spec. They'll be four more standalones that meet full bluray spec coming out in the next couple of months. If you are not interested in internet connectivity, then there are several available now that function perfectly. Waiting is your perogotive, but you cannot accuse somebody else of holding on to old technology if you do the very same thing yourself. I made the jump, got both formats, and am enjoying movies on both of my players.

You "follow" that path whether or not you think so.

You hold on to that thought if it makes you feel better. You like lies better than the truth anyway.

EVERY conference room at my old job had panasonic front projectors with seven"
guns, eventually they were replaced by DLP at a fraction of the size and a lot more performance, those pannys werent far off from what YOU have.

You really do not know anything about CRT projectors. The best 7" guns can do 1280x1024 lines of information, the BEST. Panasonic is not on that best list, as a matter of fact its not even on Curt Palmer's list of upgradeable or refurbishable projectors which means its of only average to poor quality. The best 7" can only do 800 lumens of light, and would not meet SMPTE light standards on any screen larger than 80". A Sony G-90(and my RPTV) can do 2000x2500 lines of accurate information, The Sony can meet SMPTE light specs with a 1080p signal on a 300" screen. My RPTV can do easily do the same over its meager 65" screen with more than enough light to burn your eyes out. You cannot fake knowledge with me pixeldummy, I know you are lying before that lying mouth opens. Anyone that has every OWNED a quality CRT projector knows that 7" guns are not going to be anything close to the performance of a 9" high end CRT.

And my company had about a dozen of them.
YOU always follow the "masses", unless you are fabricating your own parts

If that is your criteria, then I am not following the masses. The tubes in my G-90 and my RPTV were fabricated, and came to me brand new. The HDMI connection to my G-90 was fabricated from new parts, and I know this because the G-90 did not come with HDMI connections. I got one of Sony last few G-90 before they quite making them in 2003.

I dont give a rats ass about what the "mastering houses " in hollywood,
why should I?
I use my gear for entertainment, they use theirs for work.

You watch movies don't you dummy? And if they use them to master 1080p bluray disc, then apparently CRT's are capable of 1080p images with enough light to be seen. HD CRT are single gun monitors, and yes, they are viewed in darkened rooms just like you are supposed to view HD images.

And I can bet that if CRT is being used its in the budget for replacement, as soon as the old stuff wears out.

Its not in my studio budget to replace them. They are the best thing out there for mastering images, and if they were not, they wouldn't be there. And since they have a very long life, its going to give the flat panels plenty of time to play performance catchup.

I bought B&W speakers not because they are preferred by studio engineers,
but because they are scary good for the price.

The B&W speakers preferred by studio engineers are the 801D's and the Nautilus models. They are far out of your budget cheapskate pixy, so no more lying to make a point liar. If you complain about the price of a $10k projector, you sure ain't going for a set of speakers that set you back $5-10,000 per pair. Get real!

BTW all of the departments , including endoscophy, at the hospital where I work, have dumped all of their CRTS, NOTHING BUT HIGH RES LCD PANELS are used now.
They are betting peoples lives on this tech.
But if its not good enough for you...

Hospitals are not require to meet any level of SMPTE standards. So any parimeter associated with SMPTE is not a priority for a hospital. There are no requirements for contrast levels, accurate greyscale, accurate HD color gamut, response time(they look at static images) or motion blur(they look at static images). So just because your hospital you live at...I mean work at goes flat panel, that does not mean that is the best visual device there is for moving images, or movie images. Apples and cake pixelsnot.

Those "mastering houses " are like any other business, you dont throw away a capital investment.
CRT is obsolete, that means that theres better out there, doesnt mean it still cant be used.
But I CAN GUARENTEE YA, it will be gone in a few years

The studio I work for get rid of equipment as new better performing equipment comes to market. If there is no better display technology out there, they will not make the change. The studio I work for is known for quality work, and if flat panels were better viewing devices, we would have switch them out already. They are not, so we keep our CRT's. Who knows what will be there in a few years, but flat panels are not what we have yet. And if flat panel performance has not advance to the point where it exceeds the professional HD CRT, then they will not be in our studio in a few years. That's the only gurantee that can be made.

You need an english refresher course. Nothing can be obsolete unless it is competely out of use, out of demand, and out of sight entirely. VHS players are obosolete. Consumer Super Beta players are obsolete, high end CRT based projection systems are not quite obsolete until people like me have abandon them.

[pixelthis]

You tell me? Maybe because you are stuck with a cheap 37" vizio that can barely do 720p properly

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I am not "stuck", its what I prefer

You cannot speak for everybody. Some folks think for themselves. Now you may follow the masses for the simple reason that you cannot.

I KEEP FORGETING THAT YOU ARE TOO STUPID TO UNDERSTAND
a valid obsevation.
Doesnt matter how much you "think for yourself" (and theres not that much thinkin goin on there ace) you are limited by parts turned out by a tech based on mass production

I hate to bring this bad new to you stupid, but flat panels started off as a high end product. Revox was the first to exibit one at CES, and Revox was not a mass market brand. The first flat panel was out of the price range of mass market, but as manufacturing cost went down, the technology moved into the mainstream. Almost all electronics in the past started off in the high end and worked its way down.

some TECH STARTS OFF "HIGHEND", some doesnt, what does that have to do with teh price of eggs? Was a model T "high end?
A AM radio?.
The front projection you obsess about started out with the Muntz front projector, hardly "high end"

Not necessarily. Arcam produced excellent CD and DVD players. Much of what they did in terms of design, quality of parts, and R&D will never be seen in the mass market. Its too costly to meet mass market pricing. Runco introduce constant height 2:35:1 with their special processing. You can find this on other high end projection systems, but you will never find it in mass market projectors that cost less than $5k because it is too expensive to implement at that price point. Wadia, Krell, California Audio Labs all have some of the best CD players out there. But you will not find the kinds of processors and parts in these players in mass market players, they would be too expensive. The mass market is full of performance compromises, and it has to be that way to meet mass market price points. The high end is driven by performance, not price, so compromises are greatly reduced.

The high end is driven by performance, its also driven by the desire to sell
overengineered junk to those who dont understand that a .0001 percent increase in performance isn't worth an extra 100,000$.
AND all of those "high end " companies use standard, sometimes even pedestrian parts.
Sony CD drives are a favorite of "high" end CD players, for example

The high end was never meant to be large. This is another case of your coors beer mentality trying to grasp Dom perrion concepts. The high end market is performance driven, the mass market price driven. By logic the mass market will always be larger than the high end market. In the last 10 years, the mass market has grown, and the high end has shrunk profoundly as consumer look to get their components alot cheaper than they used to. When I bought my first CD player, it was over a grand. When I bought my first DVD player it was over a grand. Now you have folks crying over the price of a $400 bluray player. Once again to illustrate my point. There were CRT based high end projectors that could do an accurate 1080p back in 1997. Today the mass market is dominated by 720p displays, and displays that can barely do 1080p.

Sometimes the performance of "high end" is worse than mass market,
like with tube amps and turntables.
AND crt video displays

I thought being a low budget dumpster diver was going to keep you busy a while. But it looks like you can sift through trash and still be here to give some fleas. Its pretty clear that you did not make it past the third grade.
Obsolete \Ob"so*lete\, a. [L. obsoletus, p. p. of obsolescere. See Obsolescent.]

1. No longer in use; gone into disuse; disused; neglected; as, an obsolete word; an obsolete statute; -- applied chiefly to words, writings, or observances.

Your english is apparently as challenged as your knowledge of electronics. If I own, and thousand of others own and use something, it cannot be obsolete. If anyone is working to improve something, it is not neglected. If Curt Palmer is restoring and selling hundreds of high end projectors a year, then they are not no longer in use. I would try moving on to the fourth grade. It might improve your understanding of the english language.

It doesnt matter if you "own" it or not, ITS OBSOLETE.
VCR'S are obsolete, they are still being used.
laserdisc is "obsolete", still being used.
CRT is obsolete, still being used, mostly by ninnies such as yourself.
Just because someting is obsolete doesnt mean it cant be used.
It just means that theres BETTER out there.
Me go past the third grade?
Maybe you could get your GED and some technical training, they taught a monkey to understand a few words, so theres hope for you

Yes, but Sony, Electrohome, Ampro, Vidikitron, and Runco managed to create CRT's that exceed 1200 lumens(Sony and Electrohome 1300) and can still do an accurate 1080p and meet SMPTE specifications on a 130" screen. Its called 9" CRT's, which are capable of getting more light on the screen than a single gun CRT, even at higher resolutions.

WHAT "single gun" CRT?.
9" CRTS are nice and STILL too dim, much like you're counciousness.
AND all crt tubes are "single gun", so what?

Well that Cessna must have made it to the moon, because three gun CRT's are better performers in all areas than a single gun CRT. The best single gun CRT can do is 480i, with the exception of the HD CRT displays which cost $40 grand, and can do 1080p. Secondly, Joe Kane, you know the dude you like to quote alot(wrongly I might add) says that movies should be viewed in a dark room with a single bias light for smaller displays. That does not require eye searing levels of brightness, and if you have ever seen a properly calibrated display(and you have probably not based on this continued brightness arguement) you cannot view it in anything place but a darkened room, I do not care if the display is a LCD, LYCOS, DLP or plasma. So this whole CRT cannot do as much light as digital projectors is a red herring of an arguement at best.

the argument is whether or not you understand ANYTHING.
And its not a "bias" light its a backlight
I watch a lot of my movies and video in a dark room, but unl;ike you I can watch
games, shows, etc is a well lighted room also.
You are pretty much limited to a cave, probably by yourself

Somehow somebody invented a three 9" CRT based projector that can do 1080p accurately, and meet SMPTE standards for light output on a 130" screen. The last testing on DLP television found that only one could accurately produce a 1080p image, even if it had more peak light than a CRT. So this comment rings as hollow as the space between your ears.

DLP can produce 1080p quite well, and ithe picture is VISIBLE

I certainly don't live in the world you just describe. That your world, you know, the "good enough" crowd. Not my people. And keeping your set in the torch mode kills bulb life, and bulbs are not cheap.

You certainly seem like someone waiting for his spaceship.
With enough funds I will buy the absolute best I can get, you are limited by funds also.
You live in the same world as everyone else, even tho your massive ego wont allow you to
admit it.
You can have a high end system engineered to the 9's, but the cost will be astronomical,
which is probably why you dont have a life.
AND you're still getting that tiny brain of yours around teh fact that you wasted thousands on a bunch of outmoded crap THAT IS OBSOLETE.
And will be in the junkyard as soon as you run out of scavenged parts

Man you are a thick headed fool. Black level is not the only advantage of CRT. Contrast levels, the ability to accurately display the HD color gamut, the ability to properly track the greyscale over the sets operating range, instantaneous response, and no blur are CRT's advantages. Once again, you do not watch movies in a lit room unless you don't care about image quality. You cannot get the contast correct. But you don't care because performance is not your issue, price is.

The displays out today have no "blur", that is a red herring by snobs like you trying to justify you're rediculous expenditures on obsolete crap.
Those "advantages" you talk about are only in the realm of sopisticated test equipment.
If you want to sit around and test your gear all day fine, I'd rather watch mine.
And funny how I am typing this using a 37in LCD screen and the letters certainly appear
"black".
And if you care about "image q" you dont watch movies in a "lit" room.
but if you care about family and friends you do, and you make small compromises, which are less with the glarefree screen of an LCD

When YOU say something is quite good, it probably crappy. Your vizio has a real world contrast ratio of about 300:1. I have seen those cheap a$$ sets in Costco. Black is grey, no matter how you slice it. When you say the picture is quite good, it probably looks like $hit becuase the price was right, even if the performance was in the toilet. Your ceiling is my floor, there is no doubt about that. I wouldn't put a vizio in my bathroom. But that is just me.

The "real world" Contrast of my Vizio is subjective, as there is no set standard.
A 1,000 to 1 is what they say, whatever it is its fine.
You turn down the backlight in a darkened room and the picture is amazing.
And you can turn it up in a lit room for guests.
You dont have that option with the weak picture put out by your CRT

You are in denial pixelstupid. Everyone knows that neither plasma, DLP, nor LCD can do black. Its dark grey. And if you cannot do black well, then the entire greyscale is off kilter, which effects how the color gamut is preceived by the eyes. These things do not work in isolation, they work in combination. If one is off, it effects all of the other parimeters as well. You will find that out when you purchase AVIA or Videoessentials and try and calibrate the thing. If blacker than black looks like grey on the pluge signal, then your greyscale tracking is completely off all the way to white.

They cant do absolute black, the way a crt can, but they can get close, and their advantages far outweigh the small disadvantage of a slightly worse black level, which
is all you talk about because its all you got.
DLP has aperture's that turn down the light, increasing black level, direct view LCD has an adjustable backlight, which helps a great geal, and at an 8ms response time
"blur" is not noticable, certainly not in the 120 hz models.
Like you your info is out of date

Strange thing to say coming from you. I moved on to bluray, you are still doing DVD. I moved on to projection, you are still using a cheap 37" flat panel television. If there is anyone hanging on to anything, its you. Call me when OLED is larger than 11" and is cheaper than $2700 for that size. Sony is still at the prototype stage at 27". I am going to get quite a few years of perfect 1080p bliss, accurate greyscale, accurate HD color gamut, excellent contrast ratio, and the ability to do blacks before it gets to a reasonable price point.

I hope so because you certainly paid a premium to sit in a dark room and watch a dim picture.
I will get a bluray when they finally resolve the format, which will be awhile

Anyone that doesn't love themselves has some serious issues.

NOT to the point that you wish you could marry yourself, which seems to be the case for you

You really think I am stupid. By the time DVD players were $50, there was very few players even over $300 bucks. Once again lying just to make a point. You got into DVD three years after it entered the market, because all of the first generation models from every manufacturer were over $1000. The next year the average price was around $600. Cheapskates dumpster dive and settle for cheap flat panel TV's

I dont think you are, I know you are.
When DVD audio came out I bought a panny dvdaudio/video player, high end.
PAID SIX HUNDRED FOR A DISPLAY MODEL.
Had progressive scan, gold plated plugs, upsampling for audio, etc.
I will get the model number when I can, a friend still has it.
Another example of your extreme self centeredness, that you think I would care enough about what YOU think to lie about something.
AND I am not the "dumpster diver" YOU ARE.
YOU'LL HAVE TO BE, because thats where you'll have to go to find your precious "crts"

You are both a cheapskate AND a fool. Everyone here knows that, you are the only one who doesn't.

You are a fool that doesnt know the value of anything
and every shyster with a gimmick that sees you coming KNOWS THAT
You haven't even bought one yet, let alone a half a dozen.

When everything is finalized. It has been for two years idiot. Oh and that price thing again(oh I am not cheap). The PS3 is a full profile player that does everything the format is spec for. You can find one for less than $400 dollars these days, or does it have to get to $50 to get your attention? Face it cheepie, your a cheepy.

YOUR joking right?. THERE IS A THREAD ON THIS FORUM ABOUT THE LATEST
firmware upgrade for PS3, SO THEY HAVENT EVEN FINALIZED THAT
Face it nimrod, you're quite clueless

Becoming tough to stretch that social security check huh? Well a $500 receiver is probably more full featured today than yours. Maybe if you ate dog food for a year you could get a new one.

My receiver cost 1200 bucks and can still hold its own where it counts.
And keep blowing money on obsolete junk, you will be seeing the days when ALPO is a luxery

Yeah, well it was useless when you bought it. Component video switching in receivers is not a transparent process. The video bandwidth rolls off prematurely, and receiver from 4 years ago could not even reproduce the entire bandwidth of the DVD format without rolling off the high end. Anyone relying on that as a switching devices cannot have quality in their minds. Funny, I though only two video formats have been new in four years. DVD was not new four years ago, it was new eleven years ago. The only new video formats we have seen since DVD is HD DVD and Bluray. What is the third?

We havent seen four formats but the connectors for them.
SVHS, COMPONENT, DVI, HDMI 1.1 (A VERSION OF DVI) AND HDMI1.3
We have gone through four different connectors since I bought my receiver.
And there have been FOUR formats, HD DVD, bLU RAY, DIVIX , and dvd.
If you include SVCD thats five

And you accuse me of holding on to old stuff. LOL. Get a PS3, its a fully featured player that fully meets the bluray spec. They'll be four more standalones that meet full bluray spec coming out in the next couple of months. If you are not interested in internet connectivity, then there are several available now that function perfectly. Waiting is your perogotive, but you cannot accuse somebody else of holding on to old technology if you do the very same thing yourself. I made the jump, got both formats, and am enjoying movies on both of my players.

AND wasted several hundred bucks on a HDDVD player.
When a blu gets to three hundred bucks I will consider one, right now I am thinking about an audio only system.
AND I dont "accuse" you of holding onto "old" stuff, you ARE holding onto old stuff.
You accuse me of being a cheapskate , well, you are the cheapskate abd quite clueless
also.
What happened, but this stuff about a week before the newer stuff came out because
you are clueless about the real world? YOU CERTAINLY DONT LIVE IN IT

You hold on to that thought if it makes you feel better. You like lies better than the truth anyway.

call THE TRUTH a lie if it makes your fragil ego feel better

You really do not know anything about CRT projectors. The best 7" guns can do 1280x1024 lines of information, the BEST. Panasonic is not on that best list, as a matter of fact its not even on Curt Palmer's list of upgradeable or refurbishable projectors which means its of only average to poor quality. The best 7" can only do 800 lumens of light, and would not meet SMPTE light standards on any screen larger than 80". A Sony G-90(and my RPTV) can do 2000x2500 lines of accurate information, The Sony can meet SMPTE light specs with a 1080p signal on a 300" screen. My RPTV can do easily do the same over its meager 65" screen with more than enough light to burn your eyes out. You cannot fake knowledge with me pixeldummy, I know you are lying before that lying mouth opens. Anyone that has every OWNED a quality CRT projector knows that 7" guns are not going to be anything close to the performance of a 9" high end CRT.

Nine inch "guns" were a slight improvement over 7" guns
You can keep blathering on about specs all day, its just an example of being able to do something and the actual need of wasting time doing it

If that is your criteria, then I am not following the masses. The tubes in my G-90 and my RPTV were fabricated, and came to me brand new. The HDMI connection to my G-90 was fabricated from new parts, and I know this because the G-90 did not come with HDMI connections. I got one of Sony last few G-90 before they quite making them in 2003.

AND the fact that Sony quit making them FIVE years ago doesnt tell you anything, genius?.
No matter how much you and your boyfriend curt palmer "upgrade" these dinos they will still be DINOS.
With five year old electronics, etc

You watch movies don't you dummy? And if they use them to master 1080p bluray disc, then apparently CRT's are capable of 1080p images with enough light to be seen. HD CRT are single gun monitors, and yes, they are viewed in darkened rooms just like you are supposed to view HD images.

NOT really, with the right kind of modern display you can watch HD in a lit room quite well.
The doctors I know look at XRAY , CTC, and MRI images in fully lit rooms on largescreen high def datadrade LCD, and most would embarass a HDTV
OF COURSE YOU WOULDNT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT,
since its AFTER 1990

Its not in my studio budget to replace them. They are the best thing out there for mastering images, and if they were not, they wouldn't be there. And since they have a very long life, its going to give the flat panels plenty of time to play performance catchup.

AS soon as they wear out ( in 4 to 10 years ) they will be replaced
BY something other than CRT

The B&W speakers preferred by studio engineers are the 801D's and the Nautilus models. They are far out of your budget cheapskate pixy, so no more lying to make a point liar. If you complain about the price of a $10k projector, you sure ain't going for a set of speakers that set you back $5-10,000 per pair. Get real!

My 600 series suits me fine, and has a lot of the tech of those speakers.
And I wont put out "ten grand" for a projector because I am not into those.
WITH YOU'RE skewed sense of values you'dpay ten grand for a crack ho.
And marry her, probably

Hospitals are not require to meet any level of SMPTE standards. So any parimeter associated with SMPTE is not a priority for a hospital. There are no requirements for contrast levels, accurate greyscale, accurate HD color gamut, response time(they look at static images) or motion blur(they look at static images). So just because your hospital you live at...I mean work at goes flat panel, that does not mean that is the best visual device there is for moving images, or movie images. Apples and cake pixelsnot.

Its just peoples lives that depend on how well these display devices work ,
unlike your movie watching, which is way more important, right?
Oh wait, you're too stupid to understand sarcasm, forget that last bit

The studio I work for get rid of equipment as new better performing equipment comes to market. If there is no better display technology out there, they will not make the change. The studio I work for is known for quality work, and if flat panels were better viewing devices, we would have switch them out already. They are not, so we keep our CRT's. Who knows what will be there in a few years, but flat panels are not what we have yet. And if flat panel performance has not advance to the point where it exceeds the professional HD CRT, then they will not be in our studio in a few years. That's the only gurantee that can be made.

WHEN ITS ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE it will be replaced.
The stuff is obsolete but it works.
If you dont absolutely wear stuff out before replacing it you dont stay in business

You need an english refresher course. Nothing can be obsolete unless it is competely out of use, out of demand, and out of sight entirely. VHS players are obosolete. Consumer Super Beta players are obsolete, high end CRT based projection systems are not quite obsolete until people like me have abandon them.

Something is obsolete when theres a better way of doing something, doesnt mean its not still being used.
the horse industry is quite large, and horses are obsolete compared to cars.
SO WHY ARE HORSES STILL BEING USED?
Let me make a prediction for ya ace, in three or four years you will be OUT of CRT.
Completely.
EITHER YOU WILL BE EMBARASSED to have it in your house or you wont be able to find parts anymore.
You talk about "specs", when you're talking about cobbled together and refurbished JUNK.
The only "spec" concerning you is that SPECK of a brain of yours

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

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I am not "stuck", its what I prefer

Okay, your prefer to be stuck.

I KEEP FORGETING THAT YOU ARE TOO STUPID TO UNDERSTAND
a valid obsevation.
Doesnt matter how much you "think for yourself" (and theres not that much thinkin goin on there ace) you are limited by parts turned out by a tech based on mass production

Man, you should not talk about anyone not having the ability to think, there has not been anything firing in your head since I got back to this board. As long as the limitation hasn't stopped me from getting my parts, you have no argument.

some TECH STARTS OFF "HIGHEND", some doesnt, what does that have to do with teh price of eggs? Was a model T "high end?
A AM radio?.
The front projection you obsess about started out with the Muntz front projector, hardly "high end"

You started off as a egg from a turtle, and you evolved into an egghead. Actually front projection initially started from Runco's offerings, Muntz projection system used cheap parts because the old fool like to skimp on the important things, just like yourself. Besides it looked nothing like high end projection system I have.

The high end is driven by performance, its also driven by the desire to sell
overengineered junk to those who dont understand that a .0001 percent increase in performance isn't worth an extra 100,000$.

Some idiots like yourself who have never dabbled in the with high end projection system do not have even a clue what a good high end projector cost today. I know of no high end projector that cost anywhere near $100,000. You need to stuff these abstract number back in your a$$ where you got them from.

AND all of those "high end " companies use standard, sometimes even pedestrian parts.
Sony CD drives are a favorite of "high" end CD players, for example

A drive is only one aspect of a CD player. It is what you do with the DAC and analog section that distinguish the average from the best. You really like majoring in minors don't ya old guy?

Sometimes the performance of "high end" is worse than mass market,
like with tube amps and turntables.
AND crt video displays

You think if you just keep repeating that any digital projector can beat a high end CRT projector it makes it true. How can you make this determination if you have ZERO experience with high end projectors? You have ZERO experience with projector in general whether digital or analog, so your words ring as hollow as your head.

It doesnt matter if you "own" it or not, ITS OBSOLETE.
VCR'S are obsolete, they are still being used.
laserdisc is "obsolete", still being used.
CRT is obsolete, still being used, mostly by ninnies such as yourself.
Just because someting is obsolete doesnt mean it cant be used.
It just means that theres BETTER out there.
Me go past the third grade?
Maybe you could get your GED and some technical training, they taught a monkey to understand a few words, so theres hope for you

Well I guess a hick from hickville will never really have a decent understanding of the difference between the words obsolete, and not mass produced anymore. There is a difference you know, but I can understand that it might be a little difficult to understand the difference. Nobody is trying to improve the VCR, somebody is taking high end CRT to the next level. Just because you cannot afford, understand, or even know this does not make it true. If it makes you feel better keep trying to think the way you do, one day spark will actually fire something in that brainless head of yours and you may have some epiphany.

WHAT "single gun" CRT?.
9" CRTS are nice and STILL too dim, much like you're counciousness.
AND all crt tubes are "single gun", so what?

If they are so 9" CRT are so dim, then why do they meet SMPTE standards with 1080p test signals on screens as large as 130"?. Are you so dense that you cannot recognize a 40" and under television that uses a single gun to fire at the screen, and a three gun CRT projector that uses a red, green and blue colored CRT to fire at a projection screen? This is a new low for you. Lower as your rediculous argument that is takes more power for a tweeter than for a woofer.

the argument is whether or not you understand ANYTHING.
And its not a "bias" light its a backlight

Bias lights and backlights are the same thing stupid.

I watch a lot of my movies and video in a dark room, but unl;ike you I can watch
games, shows, etc is a well lighted room also.
You are pretty much limited to a cave, probably by yourself

There is a difference between critical viewing and wanting to watch something so you can see all of the details in the film, and watching game shows. If I want to watch a game show, I have a choice of four other devices I could watch them on, or I can watch them in my hometheater in the dark. Having a light on is neither necessary or adviseable for critical viewing, whether you are using a digital or analog projector. Besides you use a cheap flat panel, not a high end CRT. You are comparing cake and ice cream fool.

DLP can produce 1080p quite well, and ithe picture is VISIBLE

I see you have not been keeping track of current events have you. Secrets of Hometheater tested every 1080p DLP device on the market. Only two could do 1080p pixel for pixel, but those suffered from the "rainbow effect" of the color wheels. And those two deinterlacing was not up to snuff, so watching 1080i programming is compromised. So they were truely only good for watching bluray movies, and not much else with any accuracy.

You certainly seem like someone waiting for his spaceship.
With enough funds I will buy the absolute best I can get, you are limited by funds also.
You live in the same world as everyone else, even tho your massive ego wont allow you to
admit it.

I see you also cannot make the distinction between living in the same world with others, and making the same choices as others. Even if you had the funds, you wouldn't know what the best is. You have to know what constitutes good performance in order to purchase it. You have no clue.

You can have a high end system engineered to the 9's, but the cost will be astronomical,
which is probably why you dont have a life.

You don't know what my life is like do you? You are just spewing out words so your stupid a$$ won't look bad. Facts old fat boy, try them sometimes, its pretty enlighting, and God knows you need some light upstairs. The cost in not even close to astronomical, not even close. You should not talk about what you do not know about. It just puts a bunch of flashing lights around your ignorance meter.

AND you're still getting that tiny brain of yours around teh fact that you wasted thousands on a bunch of outmoded crap THAT IS OBSOLETE.
And will be in the junkyard as soon as you run out of scavenged parts

My CRT's in both my projector in my RPTV where brand new, not scavenged. There are three companies that still make CRT tubes, everything else is made and designed by Curt Palmer himself. As long as I have a chassis, I will still have the ability to continue to refurbish and upgrade. Since I actually calibrate my display devices, and use them properly I will be able to get 15+ years of life on what I have right now. See how long your bulb in your little cheap vizio lasts being pushed in the torch mode trying to keep up with high ambient light levels. Just because they can be watch in bright light, does not necessarily make it good for the bulbs life.

The displays out today have no "blur", that is a red herring by snobs like you trying to justify you're rediculous expenditures on obsolete crap.

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-ente...ion-290237.php

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDTV_blur

Pixel, either you are a straight out liar, or you are stupid as hell. Motion blur has been apart of LCD displays problems since they came to market.

Those "advantages" you talk about are only in the realm of sopisticated test equipment.
If you want to sit around and test your gear all day fine, I'd rather watch mine.

What you discover with test equipment plays out in everyday performace. If a device cannot display full 1080p based on test equipment, it will not be able to do with program material either. If cannot do blacks on the pluge pattern, they will not do blacks with movies.

And funny how I am typing this using a 37in LCD screen and the letters certainly appear
"black".

but if you care about family and friends you do, and you make small compromises, which are less with the glarefree screen of an LCD

Man, you are beyond stupid. How do you know they are true black with nothing to compare it to? You have to use the pluge pattern idiot. Dark grey can look black if there is nothing darker next to it. My family watches movies in the dark because they know that is the proper way to view movies. You don't teach compromises, you teach the correct way. Besides viewing movies the correct way doesn't interested you, the fact that you can watch your cheap television in bright light is what interests you.

The "real world" Contrast of my Vizio is subjective, as there is no set standard.
A 1,000 to 1 is what they say, whatever it is its fine.
You turn down the backlight in a darkened room and the picture is amazing.
And you can turn it up in a lit room for guests.
You dont have that option with the weak picture put out by your CRT

As I have said repeatedly, performance is not your issue. You are willing to make compromises left and right. 1000:1 is a $hitty contrast ratio no matter how you slice it. You will never see black at that contrast ratio, especially from a panel who's only claim to fame is high brightness. Getting good contrast ratio is not subjective, its necessary. That is why manufacturers are trying all kinds of band aids like backlights, and auto irises to help acheive it. I have no desire to watch my projection in a room compromised by light, its not the proper way to view movies anyway. Your new name should be pixelcompromise. You are just one compromise after another, and it is very telling you follow no standards whatsoever. No wonder you can say the stupid things you do.

They cant do absolute black, the way a crt can, but they can get close, and their advantages far outweigh the small disadvantage of a slightly worse black level, which
is all you talk about because its all you got.

Then it is obvious reading isn't your forte either. I have said repeatedly that digital projector cannot accurately do the greyscale, the HD color gamut, and they suffer from motion blur, and reduced resolution with moving images. Read it all pixela$$, not portions.

DLP has aperture's that turn down the light, increasing black level, direct view LCD has an adjustable backlight, which helps a great geal, and at an 8ms response time
"blur" is not noticable, certainly not in the 120 hz models.
Like you your info is out of date

DLP aperture work on a dynamic basis, so it is subject to lags that cause light pumping. The backlight is a band aid, CRT's don't need them. Doubling the frame rate to 120hz reduces the light output of the panel, the very parimeter you mentioned as an advantage of digital projection. Joe Kane did a great demonstration at the Panasonic digital cinema lab in Hollywood about a month ago, and he tested the response times of 10 different panels and found the best consumer panel barely had a 18ms response time when measured properly as opposed to how manufacturers measure them. Everyone who saw this demostration done saw motion blur in full effect. Only a person purposely trying to ignore the blur could miss it. This is the very basis of why my studio is not going to go flat panel in our mastering facilities until this improves. Only a gullible idiot would take a manufacturers measurement as word, and its funny, you do.

I hope so because you certainly paid a premium to sit in a dark room and watch a dim picture.
I will get a bluray when they finally resolve the format, which will be awhile.

You do not know what I paid. And all issues referring to bluray specs have been finished for months. Don't even attempt to use that as an excuse, you are just too cheap and sorry and cannot afford a player, just admit it.

NOT to the point that you wish you could marry yourself, which seems to be the case for you

If I married myself, which is not possible, I did far better than your wife.

I dont think you are, I know you are.

You sould like a old man entering into his second childhood. I suppose you stuck your tongue at me as you type this.

When DVD audio came out I bought a panny dvdaudio/video player, high end.

If you think Panasonic is high end, you are dirt poor, and you don't know high end. If you said Denon, I would give you the benefit of the doubt. Panasonic at best is just a hair above mass market. Arcam, McComick, Goldmund are considered high end, not Panasonic. LOL.

PAID SIX HUNDRED FOR A DISPLAY MODEL.
Had progressive scan, gold plated plugs, upsampling for audio, etc.
I will get the model number when I can, a friend still has it.

Six hundred dollars??? LOLOLOLOL. Oooh you broke the bank with that one huh?

Another example of your extreme self centeredness, that you think I would care enough about what YOU think to lie about something.
AND I am not the "dumpster diver" YOU ARE.
YOU'LL HAVE TO BE, because thats where you'll have to go to find your precious "crts"

You do care, or you wouldn't lie liar! You admitted you dumper dive right on this forum
Pixel:
You gotta strike before they run out completely but have a few left.
Even better, wait until they throw the last few in the dumpster,
AND GO "DUMPSTER DIVING" Post #26 LG continues to support HD DVD thread. $1 for the search function.

I have never heard anyone else here ever say anything like this except a true self professed dumpster diver. LOL, if the future you should be very careful of the words you use, they may be a permanent label for ya. LOL

You are a fool that doesnt know the value of anything
and every shyster with a gimmick that sees you coming KNOWS THAT
You haven't even bought one yet, let alone a half a dozen.

I didn't waste my money on a cheap 37" vizio, you did. Thats not a value, its nothing more than a cheap poor performing panel. And I wouldn't buy one, not even for my closet.

YOUR joking right?. THERE IS A THREAD ON THIS FORUM ABOUT THE LATEST
firmware upgrade for PS3, SO THEY HAVENT EVEN FINALIZED THAT
Face it nimrod, you're quite clueless

Waaaaahahahahaha, Dts MA Lossless is a option in the bluray specs. Its one thing to add something that is already supported by the Bluray specifications, and not having a finished spec period. I am sorry you are too retarded to know the difference. They added an option, and have added options every since the format launched. The last manditory specifications were completed the beginning of last year fool. The update also included and updates to the playstation store. None of these are manditory or have anything to do with the specifications. You talk too much and know too little. This is the best you can offer this board, and many of us have learned to except it.

My receiver cost 1200 bucks and can still hold its own where it counts.
And keep blowing money on obsolete junk, you will be seeing the days when ALPO is a luxery

Its a dinosaur just like my CRT projection. LOLOL. Except my CRT projection was upgraded to include HDMI, and your receiver cannot be. LOL. If you say it can hold its own, it probably is as sorry as you are.

We havent seen four formats but the connectors for them.

Make up your mind idiot, you are confusing yourself!

SVHS, COMPONENT, DVI, HDMI 1.1 (A VERSION OF DVI) AND HDMI1.3
We have gone through four different connectors since I bought my receiver.
And there have been FOUR formats, HD DVD, bLU RAY, DIVIX , and dvd.
If you include SVCD thats five

How you can confuse connections with formats is beyond me, but obviously not beyond you. DIVX and DVD are 11years old not five. SVCD is not popular or even used in this country. SVHS is not five years old, its more like 9 years old(intro in 1999). That vast empty space between your ears you call a brain is failing your pixelnutless.

AND wasted several hundred bucks on a HDDVD player.

Did I? Well I have about 175 HD DVD's, and about 2700 DVD's that can be played in it, so I do not think anyone would consider that a waste.

When a blu gets to three hundred bucks I will consider one, right now I am thinking about an audio only system.
AND I dont "accuse" you of holding onto "old" stuff, you ARE holding onto old stuff.
You accuse me of being a cheapskate , well, you are the cheapskate abd quite clueless
also.

Bluray players are already $300 bucks, why haven't you got one yet cheepy? My projector is about as old as your receiver. Except my projector has HDMI connections that are 1.3a compliant and fairly new guts, does your receiver?

Your receiver was a "major" sacrifice for you at $1200. One of my speakers cost more than that. So just who is the cheepskate?

What happened, but this stuff about a week before the newer stuff came out because
you are clueless about the real world? YOU CERTAINLY DONT LIVE IN IT

I don't live in your world. That world is the exclusive domain of the cheap and stupid. I wouldn't fit in that world. I wouldn't be surprised if you were a dictator in that world. I mean there would be a half a brain cell in the world, and that would probably belong to the trash collectors.

call THE TRUTH a lie if it makes your fragil ego feel better

The truth is the truth, a lie is a lie. You tell lies, and that can never be called the truth.

Nine inch "guns" were a slight improvement over 7" guns
You can keep blathering on about specs all day, its just an example of being able to do something and the actual need of wasting time doing it

This is a totally ignorant statement. The best a 7" gun can do is 720p and 700 lumens and 1280x1024 lines. The best 9" can do 1440p(double the 7" guns) 1300 lumens(almost double), and 2000x2500 lines( almost double the 7"). To the initiated this is a significant upgrade in performance, to the ignorant dumpster diver its just slight. Specifications tell how well something does in reality, you cannot blow off reality just because the facts don't suit you.

AND the fact that Sony quit making them FIVE years ago doesnt tell you anything, genius?.

Yeah, its tells me they quit making them. It certainly wasn't for performance considerations or today digital projectors would have started at where they left off at 1080p, accurate HD color gamut and greyscale tracking, no motion blur, and no lagging response time. Instead the projectors were a step backwards for convience beginng at 720p, no blacks, poor response times, motion blur, and a visible pixel structure. Oh, but they could burn your eyes out with brightness which contributed to the fact that contrast ratio were so low back then. Sometimes convience trumps performance, especially in the mass market where you have been living for years very comfortably I might add.

No matter how much you and your boyfriend curt palmer "upgrade" these dinos they will still be DINOS.
With five year old electronics, etc

No old hick who is a cheapskate and stupid as hell can insult me. You are akin to lint in a navel to me. A tissue from a freshly wiped a$$. Call them dino's if you please, doesn't bother me, I think you are a dino as well. The electronics are not quite five years old yet, the chassis is, but not the guts old guy. Remember your old dinosuar reciever has no HDMI connections, my dino CRT's do

NOT really, with the right kind of modern display you can watch HD in a lit room quite well.

Joe Kane says this is not how you watch HD movies. You wash out the shadow detail, and you reduce the life of the bulb. It seems clear you do not calibrate your cheap flat panel, so when you say everything looks great, I have my doubts. I properly calibrated display device cannot be viewed in a lit room. I do not care what technology is in it. It is impossible because you have to lower both the brightness and contrast far from factory levels when it is properly calibrated. You keep posting old dude, the more you do, the more retarded you sound.

The doctors I know look at XRAY , CTC, and MRI images in fully lit rooms on largescreen high def datadrade LCD, and most would embarass a HDTV
OF COURSE YOU WOULDNT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT,
since its AFTER 1990

Tons of ignorance in such a short sentence. There is no such thing as datagrade LCD, that is a distinction that belongs only to three gun projection. Secondly if there was a datagrade LCD it would be in a performance catagory BELOW graghic grade projectors. To illustrate the difference between data grade and graghic grade is as follows;

Barco Data grade 800 projector 8" tubes 1024x768 lines of resolution
Barco Graghic grade 800 projector 8" tubes 1600x1200 lines of resolution.

What do you consider a large screen HD LCD monitor? A 24 inch? I have never seen a hospital with any LCD screens larger than that. Moving images are quite different than static images, so you are not telling me anything with this bit of information. Static images do not suffer from motion blur on LCD's, but moving images do. I also know that professional LCD monitors designed for film applications would have to have a different spec than monitors used for HD static images in hospitals. Dog food and hamburgers old man.

AS soon as they wear out ( in 4 to 10 years ) they will be replaced
BY something other than CRT

Maybe by then LCD and Plasma(you know your proclaimed dead technology) would have caught up in performance to 9" CRT's. Besides, I have about 10-15 years life on what I have right now. If a digital projector comes out that can do an accurate 2000x2500 lines, a accurate HD color gamut, can do an accurate greyscale, with no motion blur, and a response time of less than 4ms, I would buy it in a heartbeat. Right now the only LCD based projector that can do more resolution than 2000x2500 lines, does have an accurate HD color gamut, but still falls short with the greyscale, but does have a fairly decent measured 10ms response time costs $60,000, far more than my G-90 cost me. FAR MORE! I am not going to worry about what happens before my stuff wears out, it may outlive me. Nobody knows what is going to happen tomorrow, they said we'd have flying cars by now.

My 600 series suits me fine, and has a lot of the tech of those speakers.

Kevlar mid/bass drivers and aluminum tweeters have been around for years, and don't rise to the point of the words "alot of tech" which are essentially meaningless. And what suits you would probably suit my dog Darnell as well. Pixelout ceiling is Sir T's floor. Always has been that way, always will be that way.

And I wont put out "ten grand" for a projector because I am not into those.
WITH YOU'RE skewed sense of values you'dpay ten grand for a crack ho.
And marry her, probably

Yeah, your a cheapskate. $10K is where performance STARTS with digital projection. There at least you get a fairly accurate 1080p image, with decent blacks(not CRT blacks though) less blur and better motion adaptation algorythms. If the projector cost more than $300 bucks it would probably be out of your price range.

I would never marry your sister pixel. I like women with teeth, a wasteline, a brain, and good looks.

Its just peoples lives that depend on how well these display devices work ,
unlike your movie watching, which is way more important, right?
Oh wait, you're too stupid to understand sarcasm, forget that last bit

They may work well for still images, but we do not look at still images in hometheater. Hospital do not have any standards for display devices, in hometheater we do. Hospitals do not use AVIA or Video essentials to calibrate their display devices, in hometheater we do. Hospital do not require calibration for their display devices, if you want a decent picture you NEED calibration. Hospitals do not worry about 3:2 pulldown flags, deinterlacing algorythms, scalers, or any other hometheater related parimeters. So to see your bring this into the arugement shows that you haven't a clue about how to get high quality images in the home. The first clue was your choice of the cheapest flat panel on the market that just so happens to be the best at losing resolution with moving images.

No, I do not understand childish sarcasm, I am an adult.

WHEN ITS ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE it will be replaced.
The stuff is obsolete but it works.
If you dont absolutely wear stuff out before replacing it you dont stay in business

And if its performance has not been exceeded, we will keep it and repair it. We are not going to change from CRT's to LCD until that happens. We do something called testing and maintainence bi yearly, so we will know when stuff wears out pretty quickly.

Something is obsolete when theres a better way of doing something, doesnt mean its not still being used.

Then the word obsolete does not apply. And so far there has not been a better way to present HD moving images accurately without the drawbacks of LCD technology except with professional HD CRT's and high end projection CRT's. Obsolete denotes not in use anymore, and you really cannot say that with ANY CRT. There are hundreds of millions of them all over the world, something that CANNOT be said about flat panels.

the horse industry is quite large, and horses are obsolete compared to cars.
SO WHY ARE HORSES STILL BEING USED?

Because there is more than one reason to use a horse other than for transportation only. They're fun to ride, you make emotional connection with them, they're more interesting to look at in a parade, and you do not use cars for horse racing.

Let me make a prediction for ya ace, in three or four years you will be OUT of CRT.
Completely EITHER YOU WILL BE EMBARASSED to have it in your house or you wont be able to find parts anymore.

Since you know about as much about high end CRT's as I know about cheap flat panels, I will take this with a log of bull$hit. Uniformed and uneducated predictions are about as useful as a bag of marbles are for destroying old buildings. Curt Palmer has been in business for 20 years, and he is still going strong doing more business this year than last. I personally won't need any part for 3 to 4 years, because the parts that are in both of my display devices(with the exception of the cabinets) are not even 4 years old.

You talk about "specs", when you're talking about cobbled together and refurbished JUNK.
The only "spec" concerning you is that SPECK of a brain of yours

I consider JUNK a 37" vizio flat panel that barely does 720p accurately, falls to 300p when images are in motion, has a 1000:1 contrast ratio, blacks that are dark grey, and about a 20ms response time.

And a person with a speck of a brain is in far better shape than your are with no brain.

Your spinnin facts, lying and showing your ignorance is getting as old as you are fossilizedpixle.

[GMichael]

When are you two going to stop flirting with each other and get together for drinks?
Maybe a movie, and then out dancing?

[pixelthis]

When are you two going to stop flirting with each other and get together for drinks?
Maybe a movie, and then out dancing?

I just threw up in my mouth.
you know, not everybody has your "biamp" current ability

In any even I won so that is that

[Duds]

Vizio sucks

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

This debate is spent. I know I am dealing with an idiot, and I just do not have anymore time to deal with a fifty year old man who behaves like a kid, knows less than a kid,and who makes claims about equipment he has never owned. Light output is just one perimeter, but this idiot thinks it everything, quotes Joe Kane if it fits his argument, and then dismisses Kane's other advice because it doesn't.

I wish we had ignore buttons, I would encourage everyone to use it

[GMichael]

This debate is spent. I know I am dealing with an idiot, and I just do not have anymore time to deal with a fifty year old man who behaves like a kid, knows less than a kid,and who makes claims about equipment he has never owned. Light output is just one perimeter, but this idiot thinks it everything, quotes Joe Kane if it fits his argument, and then dismisses Kane's other advice because it doesn't.

I wish we had ignore buttons, I would encourage everyone to use it

But, it's been such a fun read. No one else seems to be in the fighting spirit much anymore.

[pixelthis]

Vizio sucks

AH YES, a typical response from the slacker generation.
What is your I.Q, five?
I could say something about your momma but its too easy

[Duds]

Even people with an IQ of 5 still know that Vizio sucks.

AH YES, a typical response from the slacker generation.
What is your I.Q, five?
I could say something about your momma but its too easy

[bfalls]

STOP IT! STOP IT! Oh, the humanity. Another disaster for Pix. Newsreel at 11.

[GMichael]

I just threw up in my mouth.
you know, not everybody has your "biamp" current ability

In any even I won so that is that

Won? What did you win? Some Listerine?