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    Quote Originally Posted by pixelthis
    Its a caught lying issue.
    Firmware or panel, its meant to create a atypical black level that the set cannot sub stain even over a few years, for no other reason than to fool customers and reveiwers,
    and give know nothings like talky something to hit LCD users over the head with
    while propagandizing plasma over LCD. HOW MANY TIMES have I heard about
    the "Superior" blacks that plasma has over LCD? TURNS OUT IT WAS JUST A CON.
    So whats the next scandal going to be concerning this idiotic form factor?
    Will PANASONIC be able to fight off the lawsuits with enough propaganda until they get their investment back? Stay tuned.
    Still avoiding talking about the dimming of the CCFL backlight huh. The Kuros panel does not have this issue, and the article confirmed that. There is no consumer LCD on the market that can come close to touching the Kuro's panels when it comes to black levels. So no it was not a con. Samsung's plasma's also have better blacks than any LCD panel, and Samsung's plasma's don't have this issue - so no it was not a con.

    Even with the elevated black levels, Panasonic's plasma's still outperform a huge majority of the LCD panels out there - so no, it was not a con.

    As long as you have to have a backlight on full time, you are going to have panel light leakage(of some sort) and black levels will always be more elevated than plasmas(which have no back light, and no issue of light leakage. LED back light help a lot, but introduce halos around light objects on a completely dark background. Unless they can come up with a way to replicate the amount of back lights to the amount found on Sony professional back lit models(over 4,000 tiny RGB LED modules), this problem will continue to persist. Unfortunately, it is probably not feasible, so another band aid will have to be applied. I can't wait to see what that is myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible
    Still avoiding talking about the dimming of the CCFL backlight huh. The Kuros panel does not have this issue, and the article confirmed that. There is no consumer LCD on the market that can come close to touching the Kuro's panels when it comes to black levels. So no it was not a con. Samsung's plasma's also have better blacks than any LCD panel, and Samsung's plasma's don't have this issue - so no it was not a con.
    Yeah, lets talk about the fluorescents that light a LCD.
    simple tech that has been around for decades, if one does break its a few bucks to replace. A PLASMA PANEL breaking kills the set, its so expensive to replace
    FLUORESCENTS LAST SO LONG, that the only reason they usually fail is that the
    ballast (or step up transformer) dies.
    I worked in a factory for seven years, ion building maintenance, and we never had one fail, not once
    You must be desperate to want to talk about the life of a fluorescent tube, things last
    longer than the devil.
    But even they are outlived by LED backlights, which are gradually replacing them.
    LED will outlive the set





    Even with the elevated black levels, Panasonic's plasma's still outperform a huge majority of the LCD panels out there - so no, it was not a con.
    YES IT WAS, because those "elevated " black levels fade after 15 months.
    LET THE CAT OUTTA THE BAG ON THAT ONE


    As long as you have to have a backlight on full time, you are going to have panel light leakage(of some sort) and black levels will always be more elevated than plasmas(which have no back light, and no issue of light leakage. LED back light help a lot, but introduce halos around light objects on a completely dark background. Unless they can come up with a way to replicate the amount of back lights to the amount found on Sony professional back lit models(over 4,000 tiny RGB LED modules), this problem will continue to persist. Unfortunately, it is probably not feasible, so another band aid will have to be applied. I can't wait to see what that is myself.
    And as long as you have plasma sets you will have plasma fanboys touting their false virtues, like a black level that lasts as long as a fruit-fly, a picture that you think looks good only because its what you're used to, phosper based in other words, and an unproven lifespan, so you can claim pretty much anything for that.
    There is no more reason for a plasma tv than there is a need for a Stanly steamer car
    after Ford invented the model T, creating a plasma in your living room is a ridiculous
    way of doing things, and its doomed to extinction, as soon as PANASONIC runs outta
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