Onkyo DTS-HD & Dolby TrueHD Receiver coming in late May.

[Smokey]

Onkyo Electronics has announced plans to release two new A/V receivers, each supporting full DTS-HD Master Lossless Audio and Dolby TrueHD decoding. The TX-SR605 is due in late May, with an MSRP of $599. It will be followed later this fall by high-end THX Ultra 2-c certified TX-S4806, which will list for a cool $1099.

Both units are the first next-gen hardware to hit the market capable of decoding DTS-HD Master Lossless Audio at their full resolution, via HDMI V1.3A connections.

Until now, there has been no way to enjoy DTS-HD soundtracks on Blu-ray and HD DVD discs at their full potential, as all current next-gen receivers and players have, at best, only been able to extract a standard DTS 1.5mpbs "core" audio stream from DTS-HD-encoded discs.



http://www.us.onkyo.com/model.cfm?m=...s=Receiver&p=i
http://www.us.onkyo.com/model.cfm?m=...s=Receiver&p=i

[L.J.]

Yeah I've had my eye on these for awhile now. The 605 can be preordered at JR (phone only) for $399. Not bad. I'm more interested in the 805 though which comes in at a heafty 50 lbs. and can't wait to give it an audition. These prices are pretty decent for some nicely loaded gear. I've been very interested in giving the Audyssey room correction a try as well.




OK, I'll stop drooling now

[westcott]

And don't forget it also sports the Silicon Optix Reon video processor and Burr Brown DAC's. What a steal!!!!!

Can't wait to read some in depth reviews by months end.

[PeruvianSkies]

And don't forget it also sports the Silicon Optix Reon video processor and Burr Brown DAC's. What a steal!!!!!

Can't wait to read some in depth reviews by months end.

Too bad it has lame looking green lights. I'm a bigger fan of blue lights when it comes to displays because I find them easier to read in the dark, yet not disturbing.

[kexodusc]

Too bad it has lame looking green lights. I'm a bigger fan of blue lights when it comes to displays because I find them easier to read in the dark, yet not disturbing.

LOL. Don't think I've ever heard display color used as a reason not to buy a unit before. What can ya do? I prefer orange, because that's what I have.

These look like sweet units.

LJ, I'm a big fan of JR, I've ordered tons of stuff from there. Where'd you see the 605 listed? Unless I'm blind, I just don't see it...

What's the price on the 805 going to be? It's got the beef and the pre-outs to be an early favorite for my HD needs. Dammit...I can't buy any gear for the next 6-10 months, sorta caught in limbo. And I'm starting to get "the bug" real bad, and that ain't good...

[L.J.]

LOL. Don't think I've ever heard display color used as a reason not to buy a unit before. What can ya do? I prefer orange, because that's what I have.

These look like sweet units.

LJ, I'm a big fan of JR, I've ordered tons of stuff from there. Where'd you see the 605 listed? Unless I'm blind, I just don't see it...

What's the price on the 805 going to be? It's got the beef and the pre-outs to be an early favorite for my HD needs. Dammit...I can't buy any gear for the next 6-10 months, sorta caught in limbo. And I'm starting to get "the bug" real bad, and that ain't good...

The 605 got pulled off the website but according to the guys at AVS, phone orders are still being accepted. Very tempting at $399.

The 805 was listed for $999 at a few sites.

[kexodusc]

The 605 got pulled off the website but according to the guys at AVS, phone orders are still being accepted. Very tempting at $399.

The 805 was listed for $999 at a few sites.

$999 for the 805? Wow. That's some kind of jump from the $399 on the 605. Must be the list price. Baaah..I'll come back in a year and start shopping then. Should be more competition by then anyway.

[westcott]

Too bad it has lame looking green lights. I'm a bigger fan of blue lights when it comes to displays because I find them easier to read in the dark, yet not disturbing.

If I did not know better, I would say this was a Denon receiver in an Onkyo sheep skin with a Yamaha price.

As for screen display, I really do not have a preference. I find all of them distracting and that is why my equipment is behind the couch and I turn the display lights off when not in use.

Having one of the first units out with HD audio capabilities is a big plus and the price is hard to argue with. Makes all the other receivers out there look like last years Russian fashion wear.

[musicman1999]

Until now, there has been no way to enjoy DTS-HD soundtracks on Blu-ray and HD DVD discs at their full potential, as all current next-gen receivers and players have, at best, only been able to extract a standard DTS 1.5mpbs "core" audio stream from DTS-HD-encoded discs.


That is not exactly accurate,high def players do,via HDMI or multichannel analog outputs,send their all their audio streams right up to and including uncompressed multichannel pcm.Only by using a regular coax or optical out are you restricted to dts.Any reciever with HDMI or multichanell analog ins will do just fine.In fact HD-dvd players must decode onboard in order to use all their interactive features.

bill

[L.J.]

That is not exactly accurate,high def players do,via HDMI or multichannel analog outputs,send their all their audio streams right up to and including uncompressed multichannel pcm.Only by using a regular coax or optical out are you restricted to dts.Any reciever with HDMI or multichanell analog ins will do just fine.

bill

Your right. If the PS3 had analog outs I would have no need for a new AVR.

In fact HD-dvd players must decode onboard in order to use all their interactive features.

I've also read that the software has to allow the raw bitstream signal to be sent out the player for decoding and no current software supports this.

From Dolby:
"To decode these bitstreams, the A/V decoder will need to support the updated data protocols, as well as incorporate these new decoding algorithms. In addition, it will be necessary to select HD discs in which the content maker has permitted the core 5.1 or 7.1 audio bitstreams to bypass the player’s mixing process and be sent directly to the digital outputs of the player. We expect that certain HD discs will permit this, but they may represent a minority of titles. In the end, the sound quality will be essentially the same as that of audio decoded within the player as PCM signals and transported through a current-generation HDMI connection to the A/V receiver."

http://www.dolby.com/consumer/techno...HD_avrs_3.html



Does anyone have anymore info on this?

[bobsticks]

Hey LJ,

I've been looking for a reason to get away from my Yammie with its weak pre-amp stage and user-unfriendly remote. Full upconversion from any source and a multitude of source choices makes the 875 look pretty attractive. Thanks for taking the time.

Cheers

[Smokey]

That is not exactly accurate,high def players do,via HDMI or multichannel analog outputs,send their all their audio streams right up to and including uncompressed multichannel pcm.Only by using a regular coax or optical out are you restricted to dts.Any reciever with HDMI or multichanell analog ins will do just fine.

bill

That is not true for DTS-HD

For analog output, HD players should have 7.1 descrete analog outputs to take advantage of lossles DTS-HD. No HD players announced yet can do this. Currently for analog output, DTS 1.5mpbs "core" audio stream is used.

For digital connection to take advanatge of lossless DTS-HD, both the player and reciever must have HDMI 1.3 digital connection. Other wise it wil be downconverted.

[musicman1999]

Sorry Smokey,but thats not right.Any hd-dvd or blue ray player will output full bandwidth audio over its multichannel outputs,it is only in 5.1 not 7.1 however since there are no movies that support 7.1 yet,it really should not be an issue.The DTS downmix that you speak of is only available through coax or optical.Go to the link that L.J. provided and also read the first 2 pages.That will explain it.Any current reciever or processor with 5.1 or 7.1 analog inputs will give you full bandwidth audio from the disc,in any of its formats right up to uncompressed pcm.

bill

[Smokey]

Hi Bill

I went thru the link L.J provided, and it does not mention anything about DTS-HD that we are talking about.

But even for DolbyTrueHD if analog output if full bandwidth, one still need HDMI 1.3 to take full advantage of it digitally. Here is an excerpt from the same link:

“Eventually, A/V receivers will have direct access to Dolby® Digital Plus or Dolby TrueHD bitstreams. We are working with the IEC and HDMI organizations to update data protocols to enable future versions of these high-bandwidth interfaces to carry these bitstreams. To decode these bitstreams, the A/V decoder will need to support the updated data protocols, as well as incorporate these new decoding algorithms”

Which mean one must have HDMI 1.3 to have direct access to these bitstreams as current HDMI 1.2 does not have enough bandwidth to carry lossless streams.

But either way, the original argument was about DTS-HD

[PeruvianSkies]

Hi Bill

I went thru the link L.J provided, and it does not mention anything about DTS-HD that we are talking about.

But even for DolbyTrueHD if analog output if full bandwidth, one still need HDMI 1.3 to take full advantage of it digitally. Here is an excerpt from the same link:

“Eventually, A/V receivers will have direct access to Dolby® Digital Plus or Dolby TrueHD bitstreams. We are working with the IEC and HDMI organizations to update data protocols to enable future versions of these high-bandwidth interfaces to carry these bitstreams. To decode these bitstreams, the A/V decoder will need to support the updated data protocols, as well as incorporate these new decoding algorithms”

Which mean one must have HDMI 1.3 to have direct access to these bitstreams as current HDMI 1.2 does not have enough bandwidth to carry lossless streams.

But either way, the original argument was about DTS-HD

I was under the same impression as Smokey on this one...it would be great to see what the correct answer is.