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    Quote Originally Posted by Groundbeef
    Ouch....the claws are out today ladies and gents. Thought we had buried the hatchet long ago after you were so bloodied and sent home weeping. I think at one point you called me a "whipper snapper".
    Nope, that would not be me.

    Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms.

    Quote Originally Posted by Groundbeef
    I do prefer MS gaming machines XBOX v PS2. Sony may have had more games, but XBOX was a better machine. Although you personally are not a big proponent of online gaming, that's where its headed. And XBOX kicks Sony's ass in this arena. And yes, I must admit a problem with the PS3 did sort of make me giddy.
    Truer fanboy words have never been spoken!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woochifer
    Truer fanboy words have never been spoken!
    ? Not sure I follow that one. Please explain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Groundbeef
    ? Not sure I follow that one. Please explain.
    Just messin' with you. No harm, no foul.
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    My mistake Woochifer

    You are correct again o'master. You didn't refer to me as a whipper snapper. You used the even older term "Teenybob Gamer" back in an earlier post.

    BTW did you see the post about Sony not putting a HDMI cable in with the $599 package?
    Thats nice of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Groundbeef
    You are correct again o'master. You didn't refer to me as a whipper snapper. You used the even older term "Teenybob Gamer" back in an earlier post.
    Right, and your "noodle head" terminology is oh-so-current. But, the fanboy references still apply.

    Quote Originally Posted by Groundbeef
    BTW did you see the post about Sony not putting a HDMI cable in with the $599 package?
    Thats nice of them.
    Not worth responding to, given that the Xbox 360 doesn't even have HDMI capability to begin with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woochifer
    Right, and your "noodle head" terminology is oh-so-current. But, the fanboy references still apply.



    Not worth responding to, given that the Xbox 360 doesn't even have HDMI capability to begin with.
    Wow, with this banter, people are going to think that we are an old married couple.

    As far as HDMI goes, I don't think that we will ever see eye to eye. I will conceed that 1 cable would be nice for wiring purposes. However, (big caveat) as far as GAMING is concerned it doesn't add a thing for resolution, or gameplay. Sony has let it out that NO current games in development will be in 1080p. It has also stated that games will not use the anti-piracy that is supposed to be with HDMI to work properly. This would lead people to conclude (myself included) that composite cables will work quite nicely.

    For HD DVD, the HDMI might be a plus, but for most that use the machine for gaming, it will be a non-issue. In fact it has to be as the $499, and $599 play the same games at the same resolution. At least Sony has not stated that the 2 machines will play games any differently.

    Anyway it appears that 50% less people will be getting one under the old tree this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Groundbeef
    Wow, with this banter, people are going to think that we are an old married couple.
    FWIW, my wife and I don't banter like this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Groundbeef
    As far as HDMI goes, I don't think that we will ever see eye to eye. I will conceed that 1 cable would be nice for wiring purposes. However, (big caveat) as far as GAMING is concerned it doesn't add a thing for resolution, or gameplay. Sony has let it out that NO current games in development will be in 1080p. It has also stated that games will not use the anti-piracy that is supposed to be with HDMI to work properly. This would lead people to conclude (myself included) that composite cables will work quite nicely.
    Well, there's the cost factor to consider as well. You're asserting that Sony's nickeling and diming its customers by not including the HDMI cable. But, at the same time, I don't know anyone who includes a digital audio cable with a DVD player or gaming console. The generic HDMI cables cost about the same as a Toslink cable, but the HDMI cable can carry both audio and video signals through the same connection. If you want DD or DTS audio from your games or your movies, you would need to buy a digital audio cable anyway.

    Plus, the PS3 will use the new HDMI 1.3 spec, which can carry more video bandwidth and allow for 48-bit deep color. HDTVs and home theater equipment supporting the new standard will start appearing by the end of this year, just in time for the PS3 introduction. All that, plus HDMI 1.3's native support for lossless 7.1 Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD put more tools into the PS3's box for movie viewing and gaming, and keeping the hardware viable for future home theater upgrades. By this time next year, HDMI 1.3 will be everywhere.

    As far as the copy protection goes, it might not be there with video game output, but it does matter with both Blu-ray and HD-DVD. For now, the studios are playing nice with analog component vid, but that can change at anytime since all they have to do is activate the forced downsampling on the analog video outputs for all their new releases.

    And then there's the TVs themselves to consider as well. How do you know for sure that HDTVs will include HD component video connections indefinitely? The studios have been pressuring manufacturers (not to mention Congress) to plug the "analog hole" on all new video hardware (including video players, and video switching home theater receivers) and it wouldn't take much for them to comply as the majority of new DVD players, and set top boxes already include digital video outputs. Better hang onto your current TV if you're counting on an analog future for your HD viewing.
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