Glasses-less 3D TV for $20K

[GMichael]

THEY are the same, if a set is 60hz, then you see sixty frames
a sec. UNLESS you have one of the last interlaced sets on the planet, in which case you get 60 fields, each field being
interlaced with another to create one frame.
THIS IS where reading instead of experiencing mess you up.
IN AN INTERLACED SET, one "field" is displayed, and already fading when the second is interlaced with it. THIS IS why you
lose up to half your res whenever theres movement, the pic just falls apart, which is what I HAVE BEEN SAYING.
In a sixty hz progressive scan set you get a full 60 frames, either
the pic comes that way or two "fields from a 1080i pic are
deinterlaced .
A HUNDRED and twenty hz set produces a higher freq picture by
interpolating fake frames between real ones, on the fly.
THIS IS TO GIVE SMOOTHER MOTION, and works pretty well.
BUT when you do the same with 240hz, THE PIC COMES ACROSS looking like cheap video, we just don't have the tech
to create 75% of the picture on the fly, which makes 240hz a gimmick


BUYING a set with 240hz will eliminate "motion" blur, just like
nuking a city kills the lawyers. YOU WANT your beautiful film
to look like cheap computer video, go with 240hz, where 75% of the pic is interpolated(60hzx4= 240hz)


THE LOWER the frame rate the
"chopier" the video, but sometimes neither has anything to do with the other.
YOU WILL never get rid of "motion" blur, its mostly used by
plasma fanboys to slam LCD, but "motion" blur occurs even in
real life when your eyes can't catch up to motion sometimes.
ITS A FACT OF LIFE.

Your post is sprinkled with a few correct facts but somehow manages to be completely wrong at the same time. You must work very hard at that to be so good at it.

[pixelthis]

Your post is sprinkled with a few correct facts but somehow manages to be completely wrong at the same time. You must work very hard at that to be so good at it.

SO GEE, everything I HAVE READ, and was taught in school,
was "wrong" and you are "right".
Well, guess again, and tell me what you are watching between
"frames" when you watch 30hz video on a SIXTY HZ SET.
A 486 computer is 486mhz because it "flips" or runs at 486
million times a sec. A THREEG fone receives a three gig signal,
which flips at three billion times a sec.
AND YOUR 60HZ TV refreshes or creates a frame every sixtieth
of a second, doesnt matter real or fake, the "refresh" rate
is the same as the FRAME rate, otherwise what is your set "refreshing " itself with, a nice beverage?

[GMichael]

SO GEE, everything I HAVE READ, and was taught in school,
was "wrong" and you are "right".
Well, guess again, and tell me what you are watching between
"frames" when you watch 30hz video on a SIXTY HZ SET.
A 486 computer is 486mhz because it "flips" or runs at 486
million times a sec. A THREEG fone receives a three gig signal,
which flips at three billion times a sec.
AND YOUR 60HZ TV refreshes or creates a frame every sixtieth
of a second, doesnt matter real or fake, the "refresh" rate
is the same as the FRAME rate, otherwise what is your set "refreshing " itself with, a nice beverage?

You see Pixy, the thing is this. You rant on and often quote correct facts. But those facts have nothing to do with the subject being talked about. Or, they seem to matter, but really are slightly off topic. Then other times you do go on about things you only think are correct. You'll seem all sure of yourself, but you'll be dead wrong, and never give in. (remember how you trashed Emo for example)

The difference between refresh rate and frame rate have been spelled out for you, but you once read something that makes you believe that you are more of an expert than someone who actually works with this stuff for a living. It's pretty simple to understand that frame rate has to do with how something was recorded while refresh rate has to do with how it is displayed. Granted, both are very similar, but not the same.

I'm not saying that everything you read or was taught was wrong. Only that you are applying the information incorrectly. You jump to conclusions instead of taking in all the information and analyzing it (like I was taught in Systems Analysis and Design in college) Then you refuse to listen to reason and stick to the conclusion you started with no matter what facts are submitted.

It's all OK though. It does lead to some pretty interesting threads. Rant on my friend.

[pixelthis]

You see Pixy, the thing is this. You rant on and often quote correct facts. But those facts have nothing to do with the subject being talked about. Or, they seem to matter, but really are slightly off topic. Then other times you do go on about things you only think are correct. You'll seem all sure of yourself, but you'll be dead wrong, and never give in. (remember how you trashed Emo for example)

The difference between refresh rate and frame rate have been spelled out for you, but you once read something that makes you believe that you are more of an expert than someone who actually works with this stuff for a living. It's pretty simple to understand that frame rate has to do with how something was recorded while refresh rate has to do with how it is displayed. Granted, both are very similar, but not the same.

I'm not saying that everything you read or was taught was wrong. Only that you are applying the information incorrectly. You jump to conclusions instead of taking in all the information and analyzing it (like I was taught in Systems Analysis and Design in college) Then you refuse to listen to reason and stick to the conclusion you started with no matter what facts are submitted.

It's all OK though. It does lead to some pretty interesting threads. Rant on my friend.

"Jump" to conclusions? This is what I KNOW.
What is really funny is that almost none of this matters, for all practical purposes. And BTW, you might be taking in data and "analyzing" it, but I am not, I LEARNED this stuff decades ago.
Funny that the two jobs I trained on had something in common, mainly a lot of counter intuitive facts that drive people who think
the world should fit into their little preconceptions nuts.
Frame rates, display parameters, its all a little loopy, and you believe a guy who has stated that "film is analog and video is digital" when video can be either digital or analog, and used
to be wholly analog during the pre-digital age, and is still analog
on occasion.
Heres the punch line on the whole mess, mainly that the starting
frame rate of video can be anything, the monitor will change
it to match its REFRESH RATE, so it hardly matters.
THE "DISCUSSION" was weather or not the "refresh" rate was the same as the frame rate, and since the display paints a new
frame EVERY time it refreshes, the frame rate AND refresh rate
are ONE AND THE SAME. All I AM SAYING.
Does it matter that the King James was originally in GREEK?
Changes were made when it was translated to ENGLISH,
but the fact is that its now in ENGLISH.
A monitor might deinterlace, up convert, add or subtract frames,
that doesnt change what I AM SAYING, mainly that every
time it "refreshes" it paints a different frame, so the REFRESH
RATE is the SAME as the FRAME rate of what you are watching.
Which is a bit too much for some on this board to grasp, I GUESS. But they tell ya in class that for all PRACTICAL
purposes, frame rate is same as REFRESH rate.
DOESNT matter if the video started out with that frame rate or not,
if you watch a set with a 60hz refresh rate, you are watching
SIXTY FRAMES A SECOND.
This is like arguing that since cheese is no longer milk it is no longer a dairy product.
GOD.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

"Jump" to conclusions? This is what I KNOW.
What is really funny is that almost none of this matters, for all practical purposes. And BTW, you might be taking in data and "analyzing" it, but I am not, I LEARNED this stuff decades ago.
Funny that the two jobs I trained on had something in common, mainly a lot of counter intuitive facts that drive people who think
the world should fit into their little preconceptions nuts.
Frame rates, display parameters, its all a little loopy, and you believe a guy who has stated that "film is analog and video is digital" when video can be either digital or analog, and used
to be wholly analog during the pre-digital age, and is still analog
on occasion.
Heres the punch line on the whole mess, mainly that the starting
frame rate of video can be anything, the monitor will change
it to match its REFRESH RATE, so it hardly matters.
THE "DISCUSSION" was weather or not the "refresh" rate was the same as the frame rate, and since the display paints a new
frame EVERY time it refreshes, the frame rate AND refresh rate
are ONE AND THE SAME. All I AM SAYING.
Does it matter that the King James was originally in GREEK?
Changes were made when it was translated to ENGLISH,
but the fact is that its now in ENGLISH.
A monitor might deinterlace, up convert, add or subtract frames,
that doesnt change what I AM SAYING, mainly that every
time it "refreshes" it paints a different frame, so the REFRESH
RATE is the SAME as the FRAME rate of what you are watching.
Which is a bit too much for some on this board to grasp, I GUESS. But they tell ya in class that for all PRACTICAL
purposes, frame rate is same as REFRESH rate.
DOESNT matter if the video started out with that frame rate or not,
if you watch a set with a 60hz refresh rate, you are watching
SIXTY FRAMES A SECOND.
This is like arguing that since cheese is no longer milk it is no longer a dairy product.
GOD.

Wow, this dude is sure loopy Now it is clear you don't know a cow's utter from a dog's tit.

So the frame rate is established by the television set and not the film camera? This is like saying a baby establishes what the parents will look like.

[pixelthis]

Wow, this dude is sure loopy Now it is clear you don't know a cow's utter from a dog's tit.

So the frame rate is established by the television set and not the film camera? This is like saying a baby establishes what the parents will look like.

SO WHEN YOU are watching a 30hz video on a 60hz set, what are
you "watching" between frames? THE SAME NOTHING that
is between your ears?
Like teaching physics to orangutan's. YOU SIT and watch a 60hz set, and don't understand that every 1 sixtieth of a sec a new frame is painted. Again, the REFRESH rate is the same as the frame
rate you are watching. THE frame rate of the original video
hardly matters, except in extreme circumstances, like trying
to run 30fps video at 240hz, which is like spreading paint too
thin, and overtaxing your microscopic brainpan.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

SO WHEN YOU are watching a 30hz video on a 60hz set, what are
you "watching" between frames? THE SAME NOTHING that
is between your ears?
Like teaching physics to orangutan's. YOU SIT and watch a 60hz set, and don't understand that every 1 sixtieth of a sec a new frame is painted. Again, the REFRESH rate is the same as the frame
rate you are watching. THE frame rate of the original video
hardly matters, except in extreme circumstances, like trying
to run 30fps video at 240hz, which is like spreading paint too
thin, and overtaxing your microscopic brainpan.

No such thing as 30hz video, and every link I posted says your information is misinformation. So you say the frame rate is the same as the refresh rate. If a what comes out of the film(or video) camera is 24fps, how does a 60hz television come up with 36 extra frames per second? Pulls them out of thin air? Or how does a 120hz set get the other 96 frames? Just make them up? If the frame rate is the same as the refresh rate, then why do we need 3:2 pulldown?

Your weak shyt is as transparent as Casper the friendly ghost. Instead of throwing out insults, you need to prove your point. So where are the links that say the refresh rate and the frame rates are the same? Surely if you are correct you should have no problem producing a link. I have provided at least three that say you don't know what you are talking about. We already know you will lie at the opening of a letter, so I want you to post links that support what you say.

[GMichael]

"Jump" to conclusions? This is what I KNOW.
What is really funny is that almost none of this matters, for all practical purposes. And BTW, you might be taking in data and "analyzing" it, but I am not, I LEARNED this stuff decades ago.
Funny that the two jobs I trained on had something in common, mainly a lot of counter intuitive facts that drive people who think
the world should fit into their little preconceptions nuts.
Frame rates, display parameters, its all a little loopy, and you believe a guy who has stated that "film is analog and video is digital" when video can be either digital or analog, and used
to be wholly analog during the pre-digital age, and is still analog
on occasion.
Heres the punch line on the whole mess, mainly that the starting
frame rate of video can be anything, the monitor will change
it to match its REFRESH RATE, so it hardly matters.
THE "DISCUSSION" was weather or not the "refresh" rate was the same as the frame rate, and since the display paints a new
frame EVERY time it refreshes, the frame rate AND refresh rate
are ONE AND THE SAME. All I AM SAYING.
Does it matter that the King James was originally in GREEK?
Changes were made when it was translated to ENGLISH,
but the fact is that its now in ENGLISH.
A monitor might deinterlace, up convert, add or subtract frames,
that doesnt change what I AM SAYING, mainly that every
time it "refreshes" it paints a different frame, so the REFRESH
RATE is the SAME as the FRAME rate of what you are watching.
Which is a bit too much for some on this board to grasp, I GUESS. But they tell ya in class that for all PRACTICAL
purposes, frame rate is same as REFRESH rate.
DOESNT matter if the video started out with that frame rate or not,
if you watch a set with a 60hz refresh rate, you are watching
SIXTY FRAMES A SECOND.
This is like arguing that since cheese is no longer milk it is no longer a dairy product.
GOD.

Your childish insults and ranting aside, you are still missing the trees for the forest. 30 fps and 30 Hts are the same thing mathematically, but (and that's a very big but) are not the same thing in the context of the conversation.
That's where your rants fall short of being correct. You ramble on and on and throw in the occasional correct fact, but you always seem to miss the point or bigger picture.
The biggest problem just may be that you think you know everything. Anyone who knows everything (or thinks they do) has no chance of ever learning anything new.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Your childish insults and ranting aside, you are still missing the trees for the forest. 30 fps and 30 Hts are the same thing mathematically, but (and that's a very big but) are not the same thing in the context of the conversation.
That's where your rants fall short of being correct. You ramble on and on and throw in the occasional correct fact, but you always seem to miss the point or bigger picture.
The biggest problem just may be that you think you know everything. Anyone who knows everything (or thinks they do) has no chance of ever learning anything new.

I will provide another chance for him to go to school and learn something.

http://hometheater.about.com/od/tele...evsrefresh.htm

If he can read and understand what he reads, he will stop repeating his foolishness.

[E-Stat]

SO GEE, everything I HAVE READ, and was taught in school,
was "wrong"

No, you just never learned what the terms mean.

A 486 computer is 486mhz because it "flips" or runs at 486
million times a sec.

The Intel (80)486 is the fourth version of the 8086 based CPU following the 286 and 386. It's clock ran from 25 mhz to 100 mhz during its product life.

A THREEG fone receives a three gig signal,
which flips at three billion times a sec.

'3G" stands for "Third Generation" and has nothing at all to do with the transmission frequency.

AND YOUR 60HZ TV refreshes or creates a frame every sixtieth
of a second, doesnt matter real or fake, the "refresh" rate
is the same as the FRAME rate, otherwise what is your set "refreshing " itself with, a nice beverage?

As been noted before "frames per second" refers to film motion.

rw

[Woochifer]

The Intel (80)486 is the fourth version of the 8086 based CPU following the 286 and 386. It's clock ran from 25 mhz to 100 mhz during its product life.

'3G" stands for "Third Generation" and has nothing at all to do with the transmission frequency.

As been noted before "frames per second" refers to film motion.

rw

He must have a side bet with someone, because this trifecta of misinformation is quite a stretch even by his standards!

[GMichael]

He must have a side bet with someone, because this trifecta of misinformation is quite a stretch even by his standards!

I think that we are just being "Punked."

He's sitting back and laughing at us for believing that he's serious.