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    Quote Originally Posted by Hairsonfire View Post
    Hey Pix - why ever even post here?
    You got me.
    I WONDER how long the silly little man is going to sit there smugly until he figures out that what HE said is the exact thing I
    said!
    FOR ALL practical purposes, really.
    LOOK at the "frame" rate and you can be pretty confident that the picture refreshes at that rate, the frame rate which is usually 60
    frames , if it wasnt 60 frames, then the video would not be 60hz.
    IF IT WASNT 60 frames, then why does a 120hz (fps) set have
    120fps? I THOUGHT sure it was by doubling the frame rate of 60fps (by interpolating a made up line between the real lines).
    GEE, I READ ALL OF THIS STUFF, come here, and this
    clueless "genius " contradicts everything I HAVE READ, EVERYWHERE.
    What fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pixelthis View Post
    You got me.
    I WONDER how long the silly little man is going to sit there smugly until he figures out that what HE said is the exact thing I
    said!
    FOR ALL practical purposes, really.
    LOOK at the "frame" rate and you can be pretty confident that the picture refreshes at that rate, the frame rate which is usually 60
    frames , if it wasnt 60 frames, then the video would not be 60hz.
    IF IT WASNT 60 frames, then why does a 120hz (fps) set have
    120fps? I THOUGHT sure it was by doubling the frame rate of 60fps (by interpolating a made up line between the real lines).
    GEE, I READ ALL OF THIS STUFF, come here, and this
    clueless "genius " contradicts everything I HAVE READ, EVERYWHERE.
    What fun.
    Wrong again stupid. Pix, you are a tragedy. Are you so ignorant that when your information is pointed out as wrong, you still stick with your wrong information? The only thing your comments prove is that you cannot read, or you don't understand what you are reading.

    ALL film has a frame rate of 24fps...ALL FILM. Programs shot with video cameras shoot at 30fps..ALL VIDEO. There is nothing out there..NOTHING out there that has a 60fps rate...NOTHING! The frame rates have nothing to do with refresh rates.

    With a film projector the frames move through the projector at 24fps. The projector displays or flashes one frame twice or three times which means it has a refresh rate of 48hz(24x2) or 72hz(24x3).

    ALL Bluray disc are master at 24fps. Since there are no multiples of that for a television with a 60hz refresh rate, 3:2 pull down must be used. For a television with a 120hz refresh, one frame is flashed(or repeated) 5 times which equals to 120hz(24x5=120).

    Once again(so that it penetrates your profoundly thick skull), the refresh rate, and the frame rate are two different things. Once again, this from Wikipedia:

    The refresh rate (most commonly the "vertical refresh rate", "vertical scan rate" for CRTs) is the number of times in a second that a display hardware draws the data. This is distinct from the measure of frame rate in that the refresh rate includes the repeated drawing of identical frames, while frame rate measures how often a video source can feed an entire frame of new data to a display.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refresh_rate

    Not only do I contradict your inaccurate information, so does Wikipedia. Are you going to say it is wrong too?

    Do you realize that if we used 60fps, the cost of film(or digital storage) would be so high you could not make a movie at a reasonable cost? No, you don't realize this, it would require that you actually think for a change.
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    The 30fps is true, for interlaced video.
    THERE are 60 fields, each one comprising half a frame,
    one is displayed, than the other, giving a frame rate
    of 30fps, but this is for interlaced video.
    PROGRESSIVE video, which the entire world is using now,
    paints one line after another. If a set is 60hz than it paints a
    picture 60 times a sec, refreshes 60 times a sec.
    If a 1080p 60hz set only showed 30fps video, it would be a 1080p 30hz set.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pixelthis View Post
    The 30fps is true, for interlaced video.
    You still can't get it right. 30fps goes for both interlaced and deinterlaced video. Now you are mixing up frames with fields.

    THERE are 60 fields, each one comprising half a frame,
    one is displayed, than the other, giving a frame rate
    of 30fps, but this is for interlaced video.
    You still have not gotten this right. There are two fields for each frame with interlaced video, not 60. Each field within the frame is sequentially displayed on the screen.


    PROGRESSIVE video, which the entire world is using now,
    paints one line after another. If a set is 60hz than it paints a
    picture 60 times a sec, refreshes 60 times a sec.
    If a 1080p 60hz set only showed 30fps video, it would be a 1080p 30hz set.
    Painting a picture, and refresh rate is the same thing knucklehead. Secondly, a set does not change spec just because the frame rates change. If a 1080p 60hz set only showed a 30fps video, it is still a 1080p 60hz set.

    The only thing you know more than the rest of us is how to get the wrong answer 100% of the time.
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    Now you guys starting to confuse me

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Terrence the Terrible View Post
    You still can't get it right. 30fps goes for both interlaced and deinterlaced video.
    I thought deinterlaced video (progressive) have 60 frame per second.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smokey View Post
    Now you guys starting to confuse me



    I thought deinterlaced video (progressive) have 60 frame per second.
    Nope, 30fps is just that. The refresh rate is 60hz for most televisions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smokey View Post
    Now you guys starting to confuse me



    I thought deinterlaced video (progressive) have 60 frame per second.
    If you watch on a 60hz set, you are seeing 60fps. EVERY TIME A
    picture "refreshes" it paints a new frame. SOMETIMES
    frames are repeated to make 30fps 60 fps.
    HERE IS THE MAGNITUDE OF Talkys dumbassry, if when a
    picture "refreshes" then what is it refreshing the screen WITH
    if not "fresh" frames?
    a VIDEO image is composed of fields, two of which make up a "frame", which is "interlaced" if interlaced video(one field, than
    another painted "between" the first).
    If "deinterlaced" both fields are shown at once.
    IF A natively progressive image is shown you see one frame after another, each one painted onscreen, and this is 30fps, OR
    60fps.
    BUT there are no 30fps displays on the planet, so enough
    frames are shown to create a 60hz refresh rate.
    IF THIS WERE not true then your 60hz panel would be showing
    30HZ, or frames a second.
    MODERN TV sets are basically computers, and like with computers have variable refresh rates. WHEN WE WERE
    all lookin at analog video did youi ever notice just how good
    computers looked compared to TV sets? THIS IS because
    they run at 60 to 72hz refresh rate, while TV show'ed 30fps,
    hence the lines crawling down computer monitors on TV shows,
    they were running at 60hz, the tv was running at 30fps.
    SINCE software was a bit more primitive, when you would display
    analog video on a computer it would sometimes have to change the monitors refresh rate to 30hz(or fps) to match the video.
    TODAY it just up converts to a progressive 60hz rate, usually on the fly.
    BUT THE long and short is, if you are watching a 60hz set, you
    are watching SIXTY FRAMES A SECOND, because when the set
    REFRESHES it CREATES A NEW FRAME, that is
    WHAT "REFRESH" means. doesn't matter if the video starts out 30fps, or whatever, you watch on a 60hz set, you are seeing
    SIXTY FRAMES A SECOND, maybe some repeating, but theres
    sixty of em, if there were thirty you would be watching a
    30HZ SET. Would like to know where you can get one of those.
    BTW on BLU discs the rate is 72hz, each frame is shown three
    times (24x3) so it comes out to 24fps , or the film rate.
    THIS ELIMINATES 3:2 PULLDOWN.
    TALKY doesnt know what hes talkin bout, in other words,
    needs to go back to GOOGLE.
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