File this under "No Big Suprise" XBOX BR

[pixelthis]

Ovaltine, this fool drinks 160 proof moonshine. That is why he is so brain dead.

Whats your excuse, momma squeeze the umbilica cord when she saw you
for the first time?
YEP, you're definately a jr highschooler, a high schooler would be a lot more mature

[pixelthis]

kexodusc]Yeah, I was thinking it was a complete player for some reason? My bad. We'll have to see if Terrence's rumours of the 360 having some technical difficulties handling BluRay prove to be true.

Hes' wrong as usual. Blu and HD ARE very similar, and besides being marketed as a "game console" both the XBOX and the PS3 are nothing more than
customized computers, and if XBOX'S system bus can handle the bandwidth of hd
THEN Blu will be no problem, might not even need that much new software

Yeah, more BluRay players = better for Sony. Each 360 BR buyer will buy a bunch of movies, which Sony would get a bit of royalties for as well.
Don't think they're even thinking about any possible effect on PS3 from letting MS have BluRay. Don't think there'd be much threat there anyway.

Next generation using BluRay? Wow. Imagine 50+ GB of video game data per title.

No reason the CURRENT gen can't use blu, really

[Groundbeef]

What an idiot, you have no reading comprehension whatsoever
Or any understanding of the facts, and you're supposed to be a xbox fanboy.

Microsoft wanted the xbox be an all in one media center, not just a "game console".
Sony wants the same with PS3. Didn't you get the memo at the last xbox fanboy circlejerk?:

No. I didn't get the memo. But if you hang out at parties and play with other men, and discuss the XBOX who am I to judge. If there was a memo, I'll take your word for it. The visual is rather disturbing though.

Which means, if they are serious, they will need a HD disc format, and they choose wrong (like you) and choose HD dvd.
So where are they gonna go if they still want that?
Not exactly a whole lotta choices, ace.
tune in tommorrow and we'll cover the nuances of third grade math

Again, your not too bright are you? The 360 is still a multi-media machine. It still streams video, audio, and pictures from my home server. It still d/l HD and SD material from Live, and it STILL plays HD-DVD until the drive fails. It's not like MS sent a "bullet" and killed the HD-DVD addon.

Furthermore, the console still plays all games in HD glory.

And, if MS rolls out a BR player, then there will be that.

Hey, have fun at your next circle jerk. Let us know if any more memos are released. We are just dying to know about them.

[GMichael]

It's not like MS sent a "bullet" and killed the HD-DVD addon.

.

(Knock knock knock)
Who's that at the door?
I don't know. There doesn't seem to be anyone out there.
Well open the door and take a look.
OK, WHOA! What the f...! A bullet just flew in and smashed into my XBOX.
I told you not to open the door for strangers!

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Whats your excuse, momma squeeze the umbilica cord when she saw you
for the first time?
YEP, you're definately a jr highschooler, a high schooler would be a lot more mature

You as a pig piss drinker have alot of room to talk. I cannot believe that you are a 50 y/o man. Do all of the member of the verbal rectum bule club behave like you do? Can't you see that your stupid a$$ is not making any friends here with your geriatric juvenile behavior. You are one sorry a$$ hillbilly dumpster diving, curb climbing troll. Go back to granny and jed where you belong.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Hes' wrong as usual. Blu and HD ARE very similar, and besides being marketed as a "game console" both the XBOX and the PS3 are nothing more than
customized computers, and if XBOX'S system bus can handle the bandwidth of hd
THEN Blu will be no problem, might not even need that much new software

Wow, the extent of your stupidity still amazes me. Bluray and HD DVD are not the same beast even if the disc look alike.

1. The bandwidth of HD DVD is far less than bluray. That means the chipsets that are required are far less powerful because they have less processing to do.

2. HD DVD does not use BD-J, it uses HDi a much less powerful and complex interactive platform. HDi require far less processing than BD-J does.

3. HD DVD does not use either BD+, or BD watermark, both are processing intensive.

These three things add up to a bluray player that requires more CPU power, and the ability to multi-task sub routines, something that is not required by HD DVD player. So you just cannot connect a bluray drive to an XBOX and call it a day. Its processing is going to have to be altered to handle much more complex tasks than it did with HD DVD. The source I got my information from works in the XBOX division, and he outlined the problems like this.

Everytime high bitrate AVC was used on the disc(such as a Disney title), the xbox would shut down. When the disc used AVC, and BD-j was enabled, it would crash the XBOX. When AVC, BD-j, BD+ and BD watermark was on the disc(Fox titles), the XBOX crashed. If you cannot handle AVC, BD-j, BD+ and BD watermark all together, you cannot function as a bluray player. If there were no problems with XBOX as a bluray player, then you would have seen one already, or at least heard an announcement when the bluray drive enhanced XBOX would be released. We have heard neither, which supports the information I received.

So before you challenge what I have to say, you better have a better wad to throw out than that sorry trollish $hit you put out there.

[Groundbeef]

Everytime high bitrate AVC was used on the disc(such as a Disney title), the xbox would shut down. When the disc used AVC, and BD-j was enabled, it would crash the XBOX. When AVC, BD-j, BD+ and BD watermark was on the disc(Fox titles), the XBOX crashed. If you cannot handle AVC, BD-j, BD+ and BD watermark all together, you cannot function as a bluray player. If there were no problems with XBOX as a bluray player, then you would have seen one already, or at least heard an announcement when the bluray drive enhanced XBOX would be released. We have heard neither, which supports the information I received.

So before you challenge what I have to say, you better have a better wad to throw out than that sorry trollish $hit you put out there.

I wonder if they can make some sort of hybrid unit for the 360. It would be similar to the HD-DVD drvie addon, but perhaps contain some sort of "pre rendering" or something to handle additional processing.

Its all a bit greek to me though. I just like the games. And for that, the 360 does just fine.

[Woochifer]

I wonder if they can make some sort of hybrid unit for the 360. It would be similar to the HD-DVD drvie addon, but perhaps contain some sort of "pre rendering" or something to handle additional processing.

I was wondering that as well, sort of like how PC CPUs used to have coprocessors added on separately using a daughterboard. But, I would guess that adding some kind of coprocessor onto the Blu-ray add-on drive would drive the cost closer to what an entire standalone player would cost.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

I wonder if they can make some sort of hybrid unit for the 360. It would be similar to the HD-DVD drvie addon, but perhaps contain some sort of "pre rendering" or something to handle additional processing.

Its all a bit greek to me though. I just like the games. And for that, the 360 does just fine.

Meh,
I think all it is going to take is a little beefing up, or replacement of the CPU, and some programming to handle the other tasks to make it work. Its not like this is going to take rocket science. The XBOX from what I am told has quite a beefy CPU unit, but the amount of sub tasking that bluray requires just drains the heck out of it. The engineers at Microsoft are quite brillant(its the bean counters that are the problem there), they'll get it to work quite quickly.

[kexodusc]

Meh,
I think all it is going to take is a little beefing up, or replacement of the CPU, and some programming to handle the other tasks to make it work. Its not like this is going to take rocket science. The XBOX from what I am told has quite a beefy CPU unit, but the amount of sub tasking that bluray requires just drains the heck out of it. The engineers at Microsoft are quite brillant(its the bean counters that are the problem there), they'll get it to work quite quickly.

I would agree - there should be no reason that a BluRay disc drive would work on your average dual core Pentium box (or even older machines with poor GPU), but not on the beefy Xbox 360. They've probably just got to teach the 360 how to speak BluRay.

[GMichael]

They've probably just got to teach the 360 how to speak BluRay.

Will they be offering this class soon?

[Groundbeef]

Will they be offering this class soon?

Yes, it will be a corespondance class. Held by the people that bring you the Rosetta Stone Foreign Language series. Problem is, its only available on HD-DVD.

[GMichael]

Yes, it will be a corespondance class. Held by the people that bring you the Rosetta Stone Foreign Language series. Problem is, its only available on HD-DVD.

Cool.
I can play that audio while I save the universe on my PS3.

[Groundbeef]

Cool.
I can play that audio while I save the universe on my PS3.

You and Pix must be brothers. Your PS3 wont play HD-DVD. Even if its in French. Au revoir.

[pixelthis]

You as a pig piss drinker have alot of room to talk. I cannot believe that you are a 50 y/o man. Do all of the member of the verbal rectum bule club behave like you do? Can't you see that your stupid a$$ is not making any friends here with your geriatric juvenile behavior. You are one sorry a$$ hillbilly dumpster diving, curb climbing troll. Go back to granny and jed where you belong.

wow! do you kiss your boyfriend/cousin with that mouth?

[pixelthis]

Wow, the extent of your stupidity still amazes me. Bluray and HD DVD are not the same beast even if the disc look alike.

1. The bandwidth of HD DVD is far less than bluray. That means the chipsets that are required are far less powerful because they have less processing to do.

2. HD DVD does not use BD-J, it uses HDi a much less powerful and complex interactive platform. HDi require far less processing than BD-J does.

3. HD DVD does not use either BD+, or BD watermark, both are processing intensive.

These three things add up to a bluray player that requires more CPU power, and the ability to multi-task sub routines, something that is not required by HD DVD player. So you just cannot connect a bluray drive to an XBOX and call it a day. Its processing is going to have to be altered to handle much more complex tasks than it did with HD DVD. The source I got my information from works in the XBOX division, and he outlined the problems like this.

Everytime high bitrate AVC was used on the disc(such as a Disney title), the xbox would shut down. When the disc used AVC, and BD-j was enabled, it would crash the XBOX. When AVC, BD-j, BD+ and BD watermark was on the disc(Fox titles), the XBOX crashed. If you cannot handle AVC, BD-j, BD+ and BD watermark all together, you cannot function as a bluray player. If there were no problems with XBOX as a bluray player, then you would have seen one already, or at least heard an announcement when the bluray drive enhanced XBOX would be released. We have heard neither, which supports the information I received.

So before you challenge what I have to say, you better have a better wad to throw out than that sorry trollish $hit you put out there.

What a silly moron.
None of these problems are insurmountable.
And not all of them are real, really.
So blu uses java, big friggin deal, surf the web and you use java.
And in spite of your prissy protestations to the contrary, there isnt much diff between
HD and blu.
The major one is that hd could be pressed on older dvd equipment because the pitch wasnt as fine as on blu, hence the lower storage capacity.
You're trying to play off HD as just a slightly improved version of DVD and Blu as something completely new but it wont wash.
Both use different video codecs true, but that was just a choice, any codec could be put on any disc.
And both use blue lasers and have similar bandwidth and identical rez.
AND the fact that blu has played on xbox and crashed means that its played on xbox.
WHICH MEANS THAT NONE OF THE PROBLEMS ARE INSURMOUNTABLE.
At least you're consistent, you NEVER have a clue.
So go back to the "xbox division" and tell your boyfriend to quit lying to you

[pixelthis]

Groundbeef]No. I didn't get the memo. But if you hang out at parties and play with other men, and discuss the XBOX who am I to judge. If there was a memo, I'll take your word for it. The visual is rather disturbing though.

YES it is, I got it from your boyfriend sir talky, hes' the one who went

Again, your not too bright are you? The 360 is still a multi-media machine. It still streams video, audio, and pictures from my home server. It still d/l HD and SD material from Live, and it STILL plays HD-DVD until the drive fails. It's not like MS sent a "bullet" and killed the HD-DVD addon.

Brighter than you , cow for brains. None of this crap matters if you cant play HD from real FORMAT, NOT ONE THATS DEAD AS YOUR PECKER

Furthermore, the console still plays all games in HD glory.

And, if MS rolls out a BR player, then there will be that.

wOOPIE

!!


Hey, have fun at your next circle jerk. Let us know if any more memos are released. We are just dying to know about them.

YOU go without me. I'm straight

[kexodusc]

Someone really has to teach Pixie about the finer intricacies of quote tags.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

Someone really has to teach Pixie about the finer intricacies of quote tags.

Forget it. He can't even understand plain english, let alone try and put quote marks around it.

[Sir Terrence the Terrible]

What a silly moron.
None of these problems are insurmountable.
And not all of them are real, really.
So blu uses java, big friggin deal, surf the web and you use java.
And in spite of your prissy protestations to the contrary, there isnt much diff between
HD and blu.
The major one is that hd could be pressed on older dvd equipment because the pitch wasnt as fine as on blu, hence the lower storage capacity.
You're trying to play off HD as just a slightly improved version of DVD and Blu as something completely new but it wont wash.
Both use different video codecs true, but that was just a choice, any codec could be put on any disc.
And both use blue lasers and have similar bandwidth and identical rez.
AND the fact that blu has played on xbox and crashed means that its played on xbox.
WHICH MEANS THAT NONE OF THE PROBLEMS ARE INSURMOUNTABLE.
At least you're consistent, you NEVER have a clue.
So go back to the "xbox division" and tell your boyfriend to quit lying to you

Keep up old man, we have already said the problems were easily tackled. Do you need a cattle prod to keep up with the discussion?

If something crashes, it means it is not working. It means its non functioning. It does not mean it played anything. Are you trying to re-invent the meaning of crash?

HD DVD and Bluray have simular bandwidths? Lets see how flawed that response is.
Bluray has a raw transfer rate(all data combined) of 54mbps with 40mbps for the video, and 8mbps for the audio, with 6mbps dedicated to data overhead which can be split betwen the audio and video streams for peaks, or used for BD-j and interactive features. Both audio and video streams have seperate piplines.

HD DVD has a raw data bitrate of 36.55 with 29.40 peak video, and about and about 6mbps for audio, HDi and other interactive features. Both audio and video streams occupy the same space. Since when has 54mbps been the same as 36.55mbps?

With everything be equal, you can play any HD DVD disc in a bluray player(we know this is not possible, but this is an comparison illistration) with tons of bandwidth left over. You cannot play 60% of the blurays in a HD DVD player because it would exceed HD DVD bandwidth by a large margin.

HD DVD is an extension of the DVD, the only difference is more bandwidth, and more disc space. Even the interactive layer is called The numerical aperature of the both DVD and HD DVD is indentical(pit depth), blurays is closer to the surface. DVD replication lines can be used to replicate HD DVD with just a software update. Bluray requires brand new replication plants, as it is not compatible with current DVD replication plants. HD DVD has more in common with DVD than bluray does, and that is for sure. HD DVD was born out of the DVD forum, Bluray out of the Bluray Disc Association.


Once again your rectum leakage has been plugged. You have a tendency to glide over details, and as the old adage goes, the devil is in the detail.