Early Data Shows Strong Black Friday

[nightflier]

Well Tex, you may just be getting your wish. Last I heard, Obama's team was throwing out numbers like $1000 per person and another $1000 per dependent. Now unless people stick it in the bank (or the floorboards in Texas) and hold onto it for a rainy day (flooding notwithstanding for Texans), most of this money is going to get rolled back into the economy.

If this comes to pass, I am also expecting a lot of upper-middle class people who are still doing OK and who won't consider this a lot of money, to invest the check. That along with rising fuel prices, rising b2b spending, and a few other factors, could really pick up this lagging economy. I'm reading investment projections that specify growth numbers of 100-150% in some sectors in the next 2 years.

Some positive thoughts:

- The one good thing about being the first economy to have suffered a national bail-out crisis, is that we stand a good chance of being the first ones out of the muck. If anyone has the resilience to do it, it's Americans.

- Investing in green technologies is now not only the cool thing to do, but also seen as a good investment strategy.

- If you hate everything green (yes there are still such Cromagnons around, esp. in Crawford Texas), then investing in oil right now is also a good bet. Of if you're neither green nor Texan, investing in new oil exploration techniques is a good way to remain on the fence and still make a buck.

- While house prices are expected to fall some more, they will likely stay low for another 2-4 years. For those looking to buy a house, there is some time to cash in their stocks and put together that nest egg.

- This economy and the green movement are finally reaching the hi-fi market it seems. From everything I've read about Las Vagas this month, it looks like less-expensive, small, energy-efficient, fair-labor, and higher-quality-and-more-durable gear is all the rage. Just look at the products that NAD, Cambridge, PS Audio, Harman, and Martin Logan are bringing to their line-ups.

- Growth in the computer industry is also expected in key areas where the US has always been strong: services, micro-processors, software, security, and networking. I'm not saying to start pouring money into Nasdaq-only investments, but it's worth keeping an eye on this.

- eBay and other auction / used goods sites are growing steadily as well. Not only good for audio-video folks, but also shows that people are willing to re-use much of what before was being thrown out as trash.

- Only 14 more days of Bush/Cheney and the fear that they will screw more up before they finally leave. Like the rallying call during the election: the world can't wait. So provided that the status quo remains for two more weeks, prepare yourselves for the biggest world-wide inaugural celebration we will see in our lifetimes.

Now would we be saying anything even remotely this positive if that guy from Arizona had won the election? ('Forgot his name; wait, it'll come to me... ...Nope completely forgot.)

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Well Tex, you may just be getting your wish. Last I heard, Obama's team was throwing out numbers like $1000 per person and another $1000 per dependent. Now unless people stick it in the bank (or the floorboards in Texas) and hold onto it for a rainy day (flooding notwithstanding for Texans), most of this money is going to get rolled back into the economy.

If this comes to pass, I am also expecting a lot of upper-middle class people who are still doing OK and who won't consider this a lot of money, to invest the check. That along with rising fuel prices, rising b2b spending, and a few other factors, could really pick up this lagging economy. I'm reading investment projections that specify growth numbers of 100-150% in some sectors in the next 2 years.

Some positive thoughts:

- The one good thing about being the first economy to have suffered a national bail-out crisis, is that we stand a good chance of being the first ones out of the muck. If anyone has the resilience to do it, it's Americans.

- Investing in green technologies is now not only the cool thing to do, but also seen as a good investment strategy.

- If you hate everything green (yes there are still such Cromagnons around, esp. in Crawford Texas), then investing in oil right now is also a good bet. Of if you're neither green nor Texan, investing in new oil exploration techniques is a good way to remain on the fence and still make a buck.

- While house prices are expected to fall some more, they will likely stay low for another 2-4 years. For those looking to buy a house, there is some time to cash in their stocks and put together that nest egg.

- This economy and the green movement are finally reaching the hi-fi market it seems. From everything I've read about Las Vagas this month, it looks like less-expensive, small, energy-efficient, fair-labor, and higher-quality-and-more-durable gear is all the rage. Just look at the products that NAD, Cambridge, PS Audio, Harman, and Martin Logan are bringing to their line-ups.

- Growth in the computer industry is also expected in key areas where the US has always been strong: services, micro-processors, software, security, and networking. I'm not saying to start pouring money into Nasdaq-only investments, but it's worth keeping an eye on this.

- eBay and other auction / used goods sites are growing steadily as well. Not only good for audio-video folks, but also shows that people are willing to re-use much of what before was being thrown out as trash.

- Only 14 more days of Bush/Cheney and the fear that they will screw more up before they finally leave. Like the rallying call during the election: the world can't wait. So provided that the status quo remains for two more weeks, prepare yourselves for the biggest world-wide inaugural celebration we will see in our lifetimes.

Now would we be saying anything even remotely this positive if that guy from Arizona had won the election? ('Forgot his name; wait, it'll come to me... ...Nope completely forgot.)

OH, you liberals are so cute.
You blame 70 odd years of failed policy (basically the notion of a free lunch) and in spite of the disaster you've turned this country into you still beleive in something for nothing.
A TALKING HEAD on some talk show declared liberalism a disease, a refusal to grow up,
a childlike hankering for the "grownups" to magically fix everything.
I have made a few predictions ( all correct) on this site, and I WILL MAKE ANOTHER.
THIS "inauguration" of the first foreign citizen (kenyan) which is a violation of teh constitution, a person who will NOT salute the flag, who has cursed this country,
who has sat on panels with known terrorists, is the beginning of the end for this country.
They are already talking about limiting free speech(they have talked about it for some time,
they are actually going to do something about it)and required "national service" (slavery).
The great freedom experiment is over.
Not that anybody will notice, they will be too busy starving to death

[nightflier]

I have made a few predictions ( all correct) on this site

OK, that was good for a laugh. Now let's get back to reality shall we?

There is so much wrong with your statements, that trying to address each one would take us well beyond the inauguration. But I'm sure you'll pipe down when you get your $1000 check. What will you buy, another LCD?

Pix, I like you for the contrarian comments and the funny pics, but on politics you'll get no sympathy from me. I, and probably most people here are far from being liberals, so the insult just washes off and again, does nothing to further your argument. But it just seems like you can't stop painting yourself in a corner. Once is funny, twice is silly, eventually the joke becomes boring. So how many times will you have to sit in the corner waiting for the paint to dry before realizing that maybe there's a better way? You know from the corner, you might not be at the right angle to see that LCD very well....

[pixelthis]

OK, that was good for a laugh. Now let's get back to reality shall we?

There is so much wrong with your statements, that trying to address each one would take us well beyond the inauguration. But I'm sure you'll pipe down when you get your $1000 check. What will you buy, another LCD?

Pix, I like you for the contrarian comments and the funny pics, but on politics you'll get no sympathy from me. I, and probably most people here are far from being liberals, so the insult just washes off and again, does nothing to further your argument. But it just seems like you can't stop painting yourself in a corner. Once is funny, twice is silly, eventually the joke becomes boring. So how many times will you have to sit in the corner waiting for the paint to dry before realizing that maybe there's a better way? You know from the corner, you might not be at the right angle to see that LCD very well....

IN OTHER WORDS you are a liberal who thinks that the obamanation is going to pull
us outta the mess that socialism got us into with even more socialism.
As for painting myself into a corner , thats what you and other idiots who voted
for this far left socialist did when you put him in office.
And he used to hobnob with some of the most radical leftists and communists in the country, and he refuses to salute the flag.
One terrorist in paticular that he used to pal around with was the leader of the weather
underground, a group that targeted police officers(and killed a few)
As an ex officer I FIND this paticulary galling.
As for what I "do" with my 500$ "gift" (which was stolen from me in the first place) , well, considering how hes' running the printing presses even before hes in office,
MAYBE I WILL BUY A FEW GROCERIES.

[GMichael]

IN OTHER WORDS you are a liberal who thinks that the obamanation is going to pull
us outta the mess that socialism got us into with even more socialism.
As for painting myself into a corner , thats what you and other idiots who voted
for this far left socialist did when you put him in office.
And he used to hobnob with some of the most radical leftists and communists in the country, and he refuses to salute the flag.
One terrorist in paticular that he used to pal around with was the leader of the weather
underground, a group that targeted police officers(and killed a few)
As an ex officer I FIND this paticulary galling.
As for what I "do" with my 500$ "gift" (which was stolen from me in the first place) , well, considering how hes' running the printing presses even before hes in office,
MAYBE I WILL BUY A FEW GROCERIES.

It's posts like this that make me wish that I was a left wing Liberal. I feel embarrassed to call myself a conservative after this.

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It's posts like this that make me wish that I was a left wing Liberal. I feel embarrassed to call myself a conservative after this.

THE CONSERVATIVES probably arent too happy about it either.
If you're "conservative" Obama is george washington.
And like I said, I wouldnt be called a "conservative".
A country with a two party system is impossible, what you wind up with is a one party
country with each "party" a wing of the one BIG party, lets call it the demopublican
party.
DOESNT matter who you voted for, its all a scam.
Witness Obamanations choice of a cabinet, mostly Clinton rethreads and Bush castoffs.
They are going to do what the real masters want, only diff between republicrat and democan is that if you elect a "republican" things will go a little slower, with a "democrat"
a little faster.
We are headed to hell in a rollercoaster no matter what, just with obamanation the brakes
been ripped off and thrown over the side.
Ron paul was the only very slight chance to save things, and political opposistion
would probably have prevented THAT.
So here is your collectivist paradise, enjoy it.
The year or so that it lasts, anyway.
This country used to be strong enough to surrvive a liberal administration, but thanks
to Clinton repealing the glass stegal act(resulting in the current mess) and both parties shipping our industry overseas the last twenty years or so, its doubtfull that we will make it through 4 years with a radical left winger at the helm.
Yeah, a big sale on guns and ammo , for TWO reasons .
ONE, the liberals are going to ban em as soon as possible, regardless of what they say.
TWO...you live in America...YOUR GONNA NEED TO BE PACKING.

[GMichael]

THE CONSERVATIVES probably arent too happy about it either.
If you're "conservative" Obama is george washington.
And like I said, I wouldnt be called a "conservative".
A country with a two party system is impossible, what you wind up with is a one party
country with each "party" a wing of the one BIG party, lets call it the demopublican
party.
DOESNT matter who you voted for, its all a scam.
Witness Obamanations choice of a cabinet, mostly Clinton rethreads and Bush castoffs.
They are going to do what the real masters want, only diff between republicrat and democan is that if you elect a "republican" things will go a little slower, with a "democrat"
a little faster.
We are headed to hell in a rollercoaster no matter what, just with obamanation the brakes
been ripped off and thrown over the side.
Ron paul was the only very slight chance to save things, and political opposistion
would probably have prevented THAT.
So here is your collectivist paradise, enjoy it.
The year or so that it lasts, anyway.
This country used to be strong enough to surrvive a liberal administration, but thanks
to Clinton repealing the glass stegal act(resulting in the current mess) and both parties shipping our industry overseas the last twenty years or so, its doubtfull that we will make it through 4 years with a radical left winger at the helm.
Yeah, a big sale on guns and ammo , for TWO reasons .
ONE, the liberals are going to ban em as soon as possible, regardless of what they say.
TWO...you live in America...YOUR GONNA NEED TO BE PACKING.

You live in a very dark scary world, don't you?

[nightflier]

OK, let's see how nutty your comments sound when we reverse the labels:


"OH, you conservatives are so cute. You blame 70 odd years of failed policy (basically the notion of a unregulated capitalism) and in spite of the disaster you've turned this country into you still believe that the system will right itself. A TALKING HEAD on some talk show declared capitalism a disease, a refusal to grow up, a childlike hankering for the "the market" to magically fix everything."

And let's then presume McCain had won:

"I have made a few predictions (all incorrect) on this site, and I WILL MAKE ANOTHER. THIS "inauguration" of the first foreign citizen (Panamanian) which is a violation of the constitution, a person who sells his soul to the highest bidder (yes he has), who has cursed this country (yup), who has sat on panels with known terrorists (check)... is the beginning of the end for this country. They (the McCain & Bush people) are already talking about further limiting free speech (they have talked about it for some time, they are actually going to do something definite about it) and institute "mandatory military service" (the draft). The great capitalism experiment is over. Not that anybody will notice, they will be too busy starving the rest of the world to death."

Isn't it funny how when you turn things around, it sounds just as nuts? Everything you're saying about Obama (sitting down with terrorists, restricting freedoms, not respecting our institutions) can all be said with the far more fervor about Bush/Cheney/McCain, and the whole lot of those old farts who still think we're fighting the cold war. Wasn't it Rumsfeld who was shaking Saddam's hand in that infamous photo? And wasn't it Rummy who had the Abu-Graib torturers on speaker phone in his office wile the screaming was being heard down the hall? Wasn't it Cheney who said he was above the law? Wasn't it Bush who said that like our enemies, he would continue to find ways to hurt his own people? Wasn't Mr. maverick-anti-special-interests-McCain one of the Keating five? Wasn't McCain pushing to bring back the draft? Wasn't it McCain who sought a no-oversight bail-out of the banks? The list goes on an on. Oh, and about that picture of good old Ronald Reagan, didn't his people cut a deal with the Ayatollah to get Carter out of office? Better yet, remember a little scandal called Iran-Contra? Yeah these guys are saints. Good for laugh, Pix, good for a laugh....

Get your head out of your rear and realize that the more you spout off like that, the less anyone respects your point of view or reads what you have to say. Just look at what the other "conservatives" have already posted. Get a clue. Even Tex is getting the hell out of your way. You're like Lyndon Larouche all over the place and crazy as all get out.

But you're a nice guy, I'm sure, so don't take it personally. Aside from your politics, you're probably a great guy to have a beer with. After all that's what they said about Bush before he started torturing, killing, and dismantling this country for everything it was worth. Remember, he was a uniter who reached accross the isles, the papers said. OK, yeah, good for a laugh. Politics make strange bed fellows, they say, but in this case you don't want to be hobnobbing with that crowd, however cozy it may feel under that blanket. Trust me, you really don't. Four years from now those kinds people will be dismissed as absolute loons.

[pixelthis]

OK, let's see how nutty your comments sound when we reverse the labels:


"OH, you conservatives are so cute. You blame 70 odd years of failed policy (basically the notion of a unregulated capitalism) and in spite of the disaster you've turned this country into you still believe that the system will right itself. A TALKING HEAD on some talk show declared capitalism a disease, a refusal to grow up, a childlike hankering for the "the market" to magically fix everything."

And let's then presume McCain had won:

"I have made a few predictions (all incorrect) on this site, and I WILL MAKE ANOTHER. THIS "inauguration" of the first foreign citizen (Panamanian) which is a violation of the constitution, a person who sells his soul to the highest bidder (yes he has), who has cursed this country (yup), who has sat on panels with known terrorists (check)... is the beginning of the end for this country. They (the McCain & Bush people) are already talking about further limiting free speech (they have talked about it for some time, they are actually going to do something definite about it) and institute "mandatory military service" (the draft). The great capitalism experiment is over. Not that anybody will notice, they will be too busy starving the rest of the world to death."

Isn't it funny how when you turn things around, it sounds just as nuts? Everything you're saying about Obama (sitting down with terrorists, restricting freedoms, not respecting our institutions) can all be said with the far more fervor about Bush/Cheney/McCain, and the whole lot of those old farts who still think we're fighting the cold war. Wasn't it Rumsfeld who was shaking Saddam's hand in that infamous photo? And wasn't it Rummy who had the Abu-Graib torturers on speaker phone in his office wile the screaming was being heard down the hall? Wasn't it Cheney who said he was above the law? Wasn't it Bush who said that like our enemies, he would continue to find ways to hurt his own people? Wasn't Mr. maverick-anti-special-interests-McCain one of the Keating five? Wasn't McCain pushing to bring back the draft? Wasn't it McCain who sought a no-oversight bail-out of the banks? The list goes on an on. Oh, and about that picture of good old Ronald Reagan, didn't his people cut a deal with the Ayatollah to get Carter out of office? Better yet, remember a little scandal called Iran-Contra? Yeah these guys are saints. Good for laugh, Pix, good for a laugh....

Get your head out of your rear and realize that the more you spout off like that, the less anyone respects your point of view or reads what you have to say. Just look at what the other "conservatives" have already posted. Get a clue. Even Tex is getting the hell out of your way. You're like Lyndon Larouche all over the place and crazy as all get out.

But you're a nice guy, I'm sure, so don't take it personally. Aside from your politics, you're probably a great guy to have a beer with. After all that's what they said about Bush before he started torturing, killing, and dismantling this country for everything it was worth. Remember, he was a uniter who reached accross the isles, the papers said. OK, yeah, good for a laugh. Politics make strange bed fellows, they say, but in this case you don't want to be hobnobbing with that crowd, however cozy it may feel under that blanket. Trust me, you really don't. Four years from now those kinds people will be dismissed as absolute loons.

What does reversing labels do?
That just creates a statement that makes NO sense.
Of course when you turn things around it makes NO sense, because its the liberals and their failed policies that have gotten us into this mess.
Libertarians tend to favor conservatives. Why?
BECAUSE THEY TEND TO KEEP THEIR HANDS OUT OF OUR POCKETS.
Oh, they want to stick their nose into our bedroom, but that is managable.
Liberals not only want to tell you what to think and how to act, they want to spend YOUR
MONEY in the process.
Pelosi already has "hate" speech and a revival of bills killing talk radio in place ready to go.
But my main problem with "liberals", besides their collectivist bent and their habit of spending MY money on BS, is their total and absolute HATRED of FREEDOM.
They are scrad to be free, so they dont want to be, which is fine,
but I enjoy MY freedom, and I INTEND TO HANG ONTO IT .
aS FOR THE NEW "LIBERAL GUARD" you think so much of, well, a picture is worth a thousand words.

welcome to the future

[02audionoob]

But my main problem with "liberals"... is their total and absolute HATRED of FREEDOM.

This longtime mantra of the conservatives has always baffled me, considering the conservatives' collective positions on "family values".

[Feanor]

OH, you liberals are so cute.
You blame 70 odd years of failed policy (basically the notion of a free lunch) and in spite of the disaster you've turned this country into you still beleive in something for nothing.
A TALKING HEAD on some talk show declared liberalism a disease, a refusal to grow up,
a childlike hankering for the "grownups" to magically fix everything.
I have made a few predictions ( all correct) on this site, and I WILL MAKE ANOTHER.
THIS "inauguration" of the first foreign citizen (kenyan) which is a violation of teh constitution, a person who will NOT salute the flag, who has cursed this country,
who has sat on panels with known terrorists, is the beginning of the end for this country.
They are already talking about limiting free speech(they have talked about it for some time,
they are actually going to do something about it)and required "national service" (slavery).
The great freedom experiment is over.
Not that anybody will notice, they will be too busy starving to death

EVERYTHING Pix says above is factually incorrect if not slandersous. Wow, 100% on this test.

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[QUOTE=nightflier]Well Tex, you may just be getting your wish. Last I heard, Obama's team was throwing out numbers like $1000 per person and another $1000 per dependent. Now unless people stick it in the bank (or the floorboards in Texas) and hold onto it for a rainy day (flooding notwithstanding for Texans), most of this money is going to get rolled back into the economy.

If this comes to pass, I am also expecting a lot of upper-middle class people who are still doing OK and who won't consider this a lot of money, to invest the check. That along with rising fuel prices, rising b2b spending, and a few other factors, could really pick up this lagging economy. I'm reading investment projections that specify growth numbers of 100-150% in some sectors in the next 2 years.

Some positive thoughts:

- The one good thing about being the first economy to have suffered a national bail-out crisis, is that we stand a good chance of being the first ones out of the muck. If anyone has the resilience to do it, it's Americans.

- Investing in green technologies is now not only the cool thing to do, but also seen as a good investment strategy.

- If you hate everything green (yes there are still such Cromagnons around, esp. in Crawford Texas), then investing in oil right now is also a good bet. Of if you're neither green nor Texan, investing in new oil exploration techniques is a good way to remain on the fence and still make a buck.

- While house prices are expected to fall some more, they will likely stay low for another 2-4 years. For those looking to buy a house, there is some time to cash in their stocks and put together that nest egg.

- This economy and the green movement are finally reaching the hi-fi market it seems. From everything I've read about Las Vagas this month, it looks like less-expensive, small, energy-efficient, fair-labor, and higher-quality-and-more-durable gear is all the rage. Just look at the products that NAD, Cambridge, PS Audio, Harman, and Martin Logan are bringing to their line-ups.

- Growth in the computer industry is also expected in key areas where the US has always been strong: services, micro-processors, software, security, and networking. I'm not saying to start pouring money into Nasdaq-only investments, but it's worth keeping an eye on this.

- eBay and other auction / used goods sites are growing steadily as well. Not only good for audio-video folks, but also shows that people are willing to re-use much of what before was being thrown out as trash.

- Only 14 more days of Bush/Cheney and the fear that they will screw more up before they finally leave. Like the rallying call during the election: the world can't wait. So provided that the status quo remains for two more weeks, prepare yourselves for the biggest world-wide inaugural celebration we will see in our lifetimes.

Now would we be saying anything even remotely this positive if that guy from Arizona had won the election? ('Forgot his name; wait, it'll come to me... ...Nope completely forgot.)

Dont forget the koolaid.
Thats the end for most liberal beleifs